Lightsaber Molds

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by PepMaster, Oct 23, 2011.

  1. PepMaster

    PepMaster Sr Member

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    Ok last night I managed to win a auction for a couple lightsaber molds, and a Jedi Belt Pouch mold. My first worry is that they are recast molds, but if they are molds made off a RPF member's Lightsabers I want absolute proof. If they are MR recast molds I'm not as worried since from what I've heard Master Replicas has been out of the business of props for a while and a lot of people make molds from MR items. Here are photos of the molds.
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  2. PepMaster

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    Re: Lightsaber Mold Recast Check

    Well I think I'm in the green now, I just paid for the molds and went to check and see who I was sending payment to, which was Print Propworx. Now it has me curious as to if I might have just scored film molds or something with Propworx being in the name.
     
  3. TylerHam

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    Re: Lightsaber Mold Recast Check

    Unless it has ILM in the name you are probably out of luck in that regard :) Still looks like good saber molds and itll be fun being able to make a few!
     
  4. Cenobyte

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    Re: Lightsaber Mold Recast Check

    Unfortunately even if it is a MR recast, there are some on these boards that work(ed) for MR that had a part in these.

    There was a "discussuin" aboutthis not too long ago in another thread.

    Just did not want people to think that even though MR is now defunct, it is still ok to drop their items in silicone.

    If they are not, nice score!
     
  5. Dann

    Dann Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Re: Lightsaber Mold's

    They don't look like MR recasts to me, but I could easily be wrong.
     
  6. James Kenobi 1138

    James Kenobi 1138 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Re: Lightsaber Mold's

    Neither of those Obi sabers are MR, but the ANH might be an older SD.

    The EP3 is a hybrid of ANH and EP3 parts.
     
  7. PepMaster

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    Re: Lightsaber Mold's

    I just know for me, I can't tell one lightsaber from another except for different lightsabers for different characters is all I know. But maybe once I get the molds and pull castings what I'll do is take measurements, up close photos from different angles and that might solve a little of the confusion. I know I can't tell a recast from a original no matter how hard I try unless it's horribly warped.
     
  8. rollerboi

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    Maybe make some one-off casts of the parts and post them for identification. Hopefully, if you find out whose sabers they are, they may be willing to work an agreement out with you. I'd also look the company up and give 'em a call, talk to a live person about 'em. Do a LOT of due diligence before even thinking about a run, man..
     
  9. PepMaster

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    Well I just got the molds today, the pommel, emmitter, strips, and the jedi pouch mold are all in excellent condition. As for the body molds they are not so good. So I sent him a PM on eBay about it.
    This is the message I sent and what he sent me in response.

    Dear kanamit1138,

    Hello Kanamit, We have a very serious problem these molds are not what I expected them to be if there was damage to the inside of the molds you should have stated that in the description and I would have made a lot lower bid if I had seen the amount of damage these things have before hand. The other molds are fine but as for the main body molds, they are heavily damaged. Air pockets along the grip, a lot of the emmitter holder detail is missing or has a ton of air pockets. Really unhappy about this. I regret leaving positive feedback on the item, because the only reason I gave positive feedback is because you were patient with me while I was waiting on a payment to pay you. Now I have really detoriated molds, the only mold pieces I will even think of using is the jedi pouch, emitter and pommel. the 2 body molds are way past the point of repair. And right now I'm teetering on the edge of opening a case but I will give you 3 days for a response to allow you a chance to fix this matter.
    -cylonproject2000

    And his response.
    Dear cylonproject2000,
    John, Those molds are original molds produced at the fox studios prop and model shop in Sydney Australia during episode one-three. Rinse the molds out with a soap and warm water solution, rubber band them our use mold straps to seal them and using smooth-cast and you will have to do some cleanup work but I was always able to get good parts for sabers
    -kanamit1138
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    Now I don't know about you, but I smell BS. I should be able to cast the good parts with minimal cleanup, but as for the body molds I can get a photo of the inside if you guys want to see just how bad they are.
     
  10. lonepigeon

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    Scam. Those are not original prop molds.
    The sabers look like vaguely accurate fan made pieces.
     
  11. PepMaster

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    Oh I already knew that, when I saw the exactra bubble strip having 6 bubbles and someone on here told me the original has 7. I just wanted to see what other people thought of his excuse after I messaged him. I also just sent him another message to see what he says and if he gives me more BS, I'll open a case. This is what I just sent him in response.
    Dear kanamit1138,
    You failed to properly answer my problem. The main body molds have a large amount of damage from air bubbles and missing details around the emmitter holder (the gold area near the emmitter in your photos). If these are original prop molds what is your proof? I'm going to have to make a casting, repair the damage and remold the body molds which I am really not going to be happy about having to do that. You should have stated in your auction description that the body molds had air bubble damage and missing details near the emmitter but you did not mention that in your listing.
    - cylonproject2000
     
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  12. MattMunson

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    Tell him you want a refund immediately, as the items were not as described. Open a case with paypal/ebay immediately. If he cannot prove provenance of the molds, you have a good chance.

    On the other hand, this kind of falls squarely into "buyer beware" territory. I mean, did you really think someone was going to offer studio molds of prequel trilogy products on ebay and have them NOT go for many many thousands of dollars???
     
  13. PepMaster

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    Another clue that told me that these were not the original molds is that I highly doubt Lucasfilm would have the fox studios prop and model shop in Sydney Australia (if there even is such a place) make molds of the original sabers. And actually Matt in his auction he did'nt state that these were supposedly studio molds. He told me this in a message today after I recieved the molds. I'll still put the molds to use and make a new mold of the bodies after I do extensive cleanup.
     
  14. James Kenobi 1138

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    The Obi-Wan ANH is either an SD or a mix of SD and DH parts, maybe J&E. Even from these limited pics those are old fan-made parts.

    The EP3 has the same grenade section with a modified neck. The emitter and pommel look like they are Parks derived, or jedi135. The clamp is the only EP3 part on it and it looks like it's 1.5 and not 1.25 like it should be.
     
  15. PepMaster

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    See to me one lightsaber looks like another regardless of maker. I just can't see it. But would you have the usernames for those initials you mentioned so I can contact them and do a double check? Not that I don't doubt you I just want to get a second opinion with proof. If they are on here and there is definate proof, no castings will be made and I'll just find another buyer for the molds I'm not just going to toss 125.00 down the drain.
     
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  17. PepMaster

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    Defstartrooper, Unfortuantly for me I live on a severely low income. Now if I had the funds to do it I would just destroy the molds and be done with it. But this is'nt the case. Anyways I opened a case with eBay and if they decide in my favor, more than likely the outcome will be that I'll have to send the molds back to him and I'll get a full refund and be done with it. As for the original makers, if there is definate proof for me that these molds are recast molds of thier lightsabers for sure I won't do any castings. But to me like I said one lightsaber looks like another except for different sabers (Vader, Obi, etc.) that's the only way I know the difference.
     
  18. Michael Bergeron

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    Never try to get into business with something that you're not knowledgable about. That's not a shot at you, just a word from the wise.

    Research, research, research! Then buy. :)
     
  19. PepMaster

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    Yes my research skills just plain suck, and there just was'nt enough time before the auction ended to do much research. All I saw was cheap molds with no bids and very little time left and I went for it.
     
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  21. PepMaster

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  22. Clutch

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    Resin warts!!!!
     
  23. joez2391

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    man that thing is in rough shape, definately a poorly made mold. I would get a refund from the seller before its too late if i were you, the amount of work to fill in all of those bubbles and file out the warts doesnt seem to be worth it. Yikes
     
  24. James Kenobi 1138

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    Now that I can see from your cast that the lowest set of frags on the grenade body is visible out of the clamp (they should be inside the clamp) I'm pretty sure the ANH is cast from an ICONS lightsaber. The emitter looks like it too.

    The EP3 used the same ICONS grenade and booster with a different handwheel, clamp and emitter. So the EP3 is too big around.

    With EFX making an exact EP3 replica cast in resin and chromed for $90 I doubt you would find many buyers for that one.
     
  25. PepMaster

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    I don't plan on selling any sabers, and I just stuck the molds back on eBay a couple hours ago, but thanks for the info now we know where these are from more than likely.
     
  26. TridCloudwalker

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    Wait....

    You opened a case with eBay...

    ...but then you put them back up on eBay for sale?????

    You stated in this thread that the molds were "horribly damaged" yet in your auction you just state that "there are some airbubbles and other problems." You also claim that the detail molds are fine, but I can see damage and air bubbles in the photos you posted here.

    As far as I'm concerned, you're selling recast molds, and being just as deceitful as the seller you bought them from.

    You should be following through with your dispute, and resolving this the ethical way. If it isn't overturned, then you just eat the $125 and learn a hard lesson. Happens to all of us at some point in the hobby. You'd be getting off lighter than many of us. I lost almost $2000, and I know of others who lost far far more. Your cavalier attitude about all this is frankly pretty disturbing.
     
  27. Kevin Gossett

    Kevin Gossett Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I was a little shocked to see you put these back on eBay as well...
     
  28. PepMaster

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    Because eBay ruled in favor of the seller. I may have stated horribly damaged yes, but nothing that someone else can't fix up and remold, according to the people I was talking with in chat yesterday since these are ICONS Saber Molds, and since ICONS folded on diong these, they made them before Master Replicas ever did. And from what I understand don't hold the license to them anymore. Then it's supposed to be OK from what I understood from the people I talked about it in chat with. eBay told me that if I wanted to I can send the molds back to the seller and get a refund from the seller, but I don't want to get cheated twice by sending the molds back to him and never hearing from him again. Frankly I could care less if the molds bring any funds in and what I will also do is add a couple more photos to the auction of what the damaged sabers look like.
     
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  29. TridCloudwalker

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    These aren't ICONs molds. They're recaster molds made from an ICONs saber. And the circuit board part and the pouch most certainly aren't ICONs; they're stolen from someone else.

    Whether or not the company is still making them, doesn't change the fact that it's somebody else's work. If you were to make or buy a mold of one of my sabers, I would be pretty *. Same if you did the same thing to a Master Replicas saber. Just because someone once held a license and doesn't anymore (or never did at all), doesn't mean their work is fair game to just slap into silicone and make copies.

    You've been here long enough that you should know better.

    And what if whoever buys them from you is unsatisfied with how bad they are or finds out they're recaster molds? Will you offer them a refund like you wanted from the original seller?

    Despite the advice from everyone in this thread, you've just decided to do what's best for your wallet, instead of what is moral and best for the community.
     
  30. scarf man

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    These are not molded from an Icons saber. The "gear" (which is what we called it back then) is totally wrong. Icons' gear looked like T-track going around a cylinder, that gear is a more modern "booster" shaped replica.
    The pommel cap is also a dead giveaway that this isn't an Icons cast. The only thing that could be mistaken for an Icons part would be the emitter, although it looks more like an early 5postboy recast to me.


    From his now listed as canceled Free offer in the junkyard: http://www.therpf.com/f13/canceled-131458/
    I'll ask again in this thread, since the other may be deleted. Who confirmed this as an Icons cast?
    Until my post here, no one in this thread has made any definitive statements as to the validity of that claim.
     
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  31. James Kenobi 1138

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    The grenade looks like an ICONS to me, without having it in-hand it's hard to tell.

    That booster looks like a Parks.

    Chen made his emitter like the ICONS, as did the early SD's and DH's.
     
  32. scarf man

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    I disagree on the grenade, it certainly is sticking out of the clamp like an Icons, but a bit too far to be an Icons.
    Anyway, the top of the frag section where it meets the stem is the wrong angle, and the real giveaway. Here is a good thread w/ some pics of an Icons saber for comparison.
    http://www.therpf.com/f9/my-first-weathering-icons-ob1-131274/

    As for the saber as a whole? It appears to me, to be an amalgam of early to mid 2000's RPF artisanal parts.

    @PepMaster
    Offering casts to the RPF would not be ethical unless lineage were to be nailed down, and permission from the sources was granted.
     
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  34. rollerboi

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    Defstar knows he and I rarely agree on anything, but this is one post I wholeheartedly agree with. Especially the last line. :thumbsup

     
  35. Jannix Quinn

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    Aren't these still for sale on ebay?
     
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  37. jedimaster

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    Just an FYI..... The props at fox studios for ep2&3 were handled by Jaks . That company was set up by Lucas for all 3 prequel films. Any yes there is such a place and yes the props were all made on site as were the sets and just about everything else. Trust me on this one.
     
  38. jedimaster

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    Curious... Where did the seller live?
     
  39. Tan Djarka

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    Not that you're untrustworthy, but we shouldn't even have to take your word on it. It's kind of in the bonus material on all the prequel DVDs! But those are so obviously not production molds.
     
  40. jason1976

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    Well, I know to stay in good standing, I should jump on the band wagon, and say how awful, it is to resell these items. But I don't real give a flying plop about recasting. I don't do it myself, because I don't want to get kicked off of here, and I try not to buy recast stuff so I can stay here, but I really don't care if someone recast me, and I really think the lot is a bunch of winners, for winching about recasting, when that is all we do here. I have said it before, and I'll say it again. THAT IS WHAT WE DO HERE. We see a prop we like, and we recreated, stealling the "intolectual property" of the prose, and make money off of it. Then when one of use get a screen used prop, or casting of one, we all ask, "can you do a run of castings". But then when someone recasts, that recast, or recreation, of someone else work, we all wine, "boo, hoo, your so evil, for steeling, that I stole" :(

    You have all these folk saying these are recast, but not one of them has said beyond a doubt how actually made them in the first play. It could have been the scum bag that sold them to you. He could have made the originals based on an icons, and other replicas, and then casted his own work, and just said it was from Fox, to make it look more valuable, then his own work. No-one here knows for a fact that, that is not what happened. I have seen a lot of scratch built stuff over the years, that is based off of icons, and others, because they were clear representations, then some blurry pic.

    Until one member comes forward, and says "that is all my work" and shows pics to proove it, I don't see anything wrong with what your are doing. (other then you REALLY should have told the folks in your auction the true condition of the molds, that really want very nice. even if they could clean them up, they should know what they are getting, even if you didn't)

    I'm so sick of folks saying, "Oh, you unknowingly bout something we think is recast, you should toss it, and burn it" You work hard for you money, we all do, no-one should just though money away, just because of a simple mistake.

    Plus, just because the folks here, are winners about recasting, doesn't mean there are not plenty of folk on ebay that would be just fine with molds of a recasted item.

    If you don't want the parts, I think you should sell them, but just be clear about what they are, and the condition they are in. Tell folks that you don't know who made them, that they may be "recast" and that they are in bad shape, and if someone else buys then it's on them. Or give them as a gift to a kid or something.
     

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