Let's talk about CHUCK. Spoilers through end of season four!

Westies14

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Hey guys & gals! Anyone excited for the Chuck finalé this evening, or for the 13-episode pickup for the 2011-2012 season?

My wife and I love this overachieving little show. Out of the gate, it was always so much more than it could have been. They took a show with a ridiculous concept, gratuitously attractive people, in-show sponsor advertisements, some goofy comedy, some physical comedy, and Community style self-aware pop culture references and tropes and infused it with so much heart that it's kind of staggering to me. There's no reason why this show should have worked, but it did.

We're re-watching the first season now. It was luxurious for the writers. Chuck and Sarah had chemistry in spades and each was lovable in their own way. The writers obviously had a blast working with them, pushing them together and pulling them apart. The devices mostly worked really well, like Chuck asking Sarah about her true feelings while they were affected by sodium pentothal (she was trained to resist its effects and lied about them not having a future - and so she had to suffer watching Chuck move on to happiness with Rachel Bilson's sandwich girl, Lou) or Sarah kissing Chuck when they thought they were about to die (what they thought was a bomb was actually a preservation tank for Bryce Larkin), and then having those feelings put on hold by Bryce's return.

Season two was even better. They'd found a rhythm with the show and the characters. It continued to be hilarious, heartbreaking, and heartwarming all at once. The highlight for me was the Christmas Die Hard episode, in which Chuck gave Sarah his mother's bracelet during their Buy More hostage situation. Later, he witnesses her killing an unarmed man in order to protect Chuck and his family and friends - and lies about having arrested him when Chuck asks about it, not knowing what she did in the moment. She doesn't want him to carry that weight, and he doesn't know if he really knows or can trust her. This season also introduced Scott Bakula as Chuck's dad (doing a great Zach Levi impression at first!) and hit some great emotional moments with him.

Ultimately, of course, the two lovebirds got together (and back and forth a bit from there), and when the main focus of a show is its love story, it will suffer from that union. Season three continued to expand the "Bartowski saga" and tell some of Sarah's backstory, but also had to try and contrive motivations other than love for Chuck. All of sudden we were told that Chuck "always wanted to be a spy" and that was made his focus. Season three was entertaining, but a thin shadow of what the show had been. It also suffered from receiving half-season pickups, a fate which it would never escape. It had to be written such that every half-season could serve as an ending to the series OR as a springboard for more Chuck, and that had to be a challenge. It did create a choppy feel for the audience, and I'm sure some landmark moments were used ahead of their proper time for some of these episodes. Something was just off, all year - especially as the season began with Chuck choosing his job over Sarah. It was contrary to his character and to everything we'd seen to that point, and just didn't ring true. After that, we were treated to a cardboard cutout of a new team member (the awful soap actor Brandon Routh) whose journey to the dark side was less convincing than Anakin's.

Season four has been a pleasant uptick. With Routh thankfully gone, we were given a really fun performance from Timothy Dalton as the new baddie. This has been closer to the tone of first seasons - and it included a great mid-season episode that ended with an engagement and a baby. I would have been very happy if the series had ended with that one. They did get a back order for 11 episodes though, and we're seeing the end of that tonight. Will Chuck and Sarah's wedding happen, assuming she lives through last week's attack? Can Chuck amend for his father's mistakes and return Alexei Volkoff's life to him? Can he put Vivian back on the right path? Will Ellie gain some insight into the intersect's functionality through Orion's computer and her own research and become an asset to team Bartowski?

I'm glad that Chuck was picked up again, and I'm glad that NBC is billing it as the "final season." Let the writers write towards a true conclusion, and know that it's really ending. The show started as a love story, and even if it's dragged out we've seen the resolution of that for the most part. Chuck gets the girl; she's agreed to marry him. We enjoy spending time with the characters still, but the main story has ended. I hope we get 13 more episodes leading up to closure for everyone and a great series finale next year, but for tonight I hope we see them get hitched. Those kids deserve it!

Chuck VS the Cliffhanger airs tonight on NBC at 8PM EST. :cheers
 
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There's no reason why this show should have worked, but it did.

That sums it up rather nicely. It continues to be one of my favorite shows currently running. I think this show also nicely proves the point that a tv show does NOT have to be stuck in the "will they ever get together" rut.

I liked Season 3 just fine myself and didn't mind Brandon Routh's part. I thought they did some very interesting things in that season to evolve the story.

I'm also really glad they've announced that this is the last season. That's the way it should be done. Give the writers and showrunners time to build up to it rather than dropping it on them at the last minute or telling them after the fact.
 
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This has been one of my favorite shows for........ well forever!

I hate to see this show go but I am glad it will actually get a finale
episode. I would hate to see it just up and canceled without any
type of closure.

I am counting the hours until tonight finale. Bring it on!

This is one show that has rarely had a bad or boring episode.
 
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The last couple years, they've only gotten 13 episode orders and they've extended it out to a full season each time. They seemed to have known their future was always in limbo and their finale's have never been cliffhangers 'just in case'. Here's hoping the trend continues. Cliffhangers are lame, IMO.
 
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I missed like 6 episodes since its first showing, i loved the "sci-fi mondays" with Chuck, Heroes, and Chrstian Slater's split personality "My Own Worst Enemy" haha. One thing i always have time for on a monday night is seeing Chuck, the Nerd Herder in all of us lol. The girl wants the nerd, not the spy! Yes!!
 
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The last couple years, they've only gotten 13 episode orders and they've extended it out to a full season each time. They seemed to have known their future was always in limbo and their finale's have never been cliffhangers 'just in case'. Here's hoping the trend continues. Cliffhangers are lame, IMO.

Amen to that!! :thumbsup

I'm sick and tired of shows that leave off with cliffhangers... generally speaking at least. I'm not saying they should NEVER be done but if you've got a good show, viewers will come back to it without having to see if such-and-such star really gets killed off or gets saved at the last second.
 
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Just skimmed over the first post to avoid any spoilers since I stopped watching season four after ep 4, because I somehow got bored to a great extent. I love Sarah and all of the others, but I can´t put my finger on it why it suddenly bored me. I think I´ll have to give it another shot. It was probably just the fact that Chuck had finally gotten Sarah and that she was off the market :p
 
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The beginning of this season gave me a 'what exactly are they doing vibe'. Took a few weeks for them to kick it into gear this year it seemed.

I want Scott Bakula back. We never saw a body or what happened to it, and in TV that's usually the tell-tale sign of they're not dead.
 
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WOW,

Best season finale ever. Especially the last 2 minutes. :thumbsup

I wont spoil it but if you missed it............ shame on you. LOL.

I can't wait for the next season........ 13 episodes (or more) :love
 
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Great finale' and I think his dad's still alive! :)

I haven't watched the finale yet, but didn't we actually see his dad get shot in the head? I don't remember it very clearly, but I thought we actually saw it happen.
 
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I'm only up to s3 ep 19 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggh:sick
 
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It's true that Chuck has never left us wondering if someone's gonna die as that car flies off the road or anything, but their season finales have always been sort of big setups for more story - leaving us hanging in a way, if they don't get picked up.

We loved last nights, up until the very last two minutes (sort of the opposite of KnightDriver's review up there!). So glad they allowed the wedding to happen (loved the funeral sign gag). I missed Sarah's involvement in the episode, but it was nice to see Chuck just do his thing. I don't like gimmicks like Morgan-as-intersect, but I have faith that the writers know why the show is called "Chuck" and will focus unduly on Morgan next year. That twist is a bit annoying because it's been so established that Chuck is special, that his wiring is a bit different than most and that is what allows him to be programmed with the intersect. In the episode in which Chuck and Sarah had to pose as a happy couple in the suburbs, all the other candidates on whom the intersect was tested were practically lobotomized by it. Bryce sent it to Chuck for a reason, and that premise should be respected I think. If it could go in anyone, there's really no reason for the government to have bothered with Chuck for as long as they did.

Luckily, these writers don't tend to drag out gimmicks or issues. This Morgan thing could be fixed very early in season five, and I suspect it will. I'm excited for the new season! It's sort of what I expected from season four, when three was coming to a close with Chuck owning a batcave (under his parents' house) and leaving the CIA. I though he'd be sort of a superhero/independent agent. Looks like that's finally happening, with the full Bartowski team!
 
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I haven't watched the finale yet, but didn't we actually see his dad get shot in the head? I don't remember it very clearly, but I thought we actually saw it happen.


I could be wrong, but as I recall, the gun was pointed at him, maybe his head, and then they cut to where Ellie and Chuck were hiding for the 'bang' and dad went down.

BTW, since when did the CIA perfect this installing and removing of the intersect? All it takes is a pair of sunglasses to hook you up or remove it now?
 
Love that show...

When Morgan looked up and said "I know Kung Fu", my wife and I both burst into laughter. I agree that it likely won't last very far into next season, but it was a hilarious note to end the season with.

Whenever this show finally wraps up, it will be a sad day.

But I am sure NBC will go out on a limb and replace it with something fresh...Most likely a cop/hospital/law show of some kind.

Jason
 
Love that show...

When Morgan looked up and said "I know Kung Fu", my wife and I both burst into laughter. I agree that it likely won't last very far into next season, but it was a hilarious note to end the season with.

Jason

I think that will be funny, but I hope Chuck gets it back because I don't want to see him turn out like Peter (from Heroes) with no "power" left.

I thought it would be cool if Ellie got the Intersect. I actually thought that was where the show was going when she had her dad's computer.
 
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That twist is a bit annoying because it's been so established that Chuck is special, that his wiring is a bit different than most and that is what allows him to be programmed with the intersect. In the episode in which Chuck and Sarah had to pose as a happy couple in the suburbs, all the other candidates on whom the intersect was tested were practically lobotomized by it. Bryce sent it to Chuck for a reason, and that premise should be respected I think. If it could go in anyone, there's really no reason for the government to have bothered with Chuck for as long as they did.

I am sort of wishing something like this would happen to Morgan. Not that I don't like him, it just seems like it would establish a sort of continuity and add a subplot to the show. Like with Chuck and the Governor in Season 3.

I'm hoping to see some sort of negative effect on Morgan as he uses the Intersect more and more. Something that would take him out of action, and the more he uses it, the worse it gets. The only real cure is to take it out of his head. The best and easiest way to do that seems to be those suppression sunglasses that were used on Volkoff and Chuck. But those are CIA resources, and they don't have easy access to CIA resources anymore. That would hopefully introduce an interesting subplot and a graceful way to take the Intersect away from Morgan like so many fans are demanding.
 
Don't forget, Ellie's sort of an intersect expert now. I'm sure she'll be made out to be even more knowledgeable than Orion, as she's building off of his established research. She could "suppress" Morgan's intersect or "release" Chuck's, eventually. Chuck and Sarah have the resources to manufacture whatever Ellie prescribes.
 
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