Kit of the USS Daedalus NCC-129?
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SteveNeill
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Thanks but it's not a new thing it's been around for awhile as far as I know.
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Thanks soooo much. But I think your's is pretty darn good. And that Shuttle? Beautiful! That 18 inch Enterprise is fantastic too. Sooming from you I'm grateful.
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JP Modelworks
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Nice job, Steve. Beautiful work.
SteveNeill
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Hey JP I went to your site and got inspired! 
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Dear Steve,
I was not aware of your family situation and I hope your wife is doing well...
If I could afford it now, I'd send her my old VHS copies of the first 5 Star Trek movies and TOS -- half of TOS on VHS at any rate. I've got all I want on DVD and Blu ray and want to keep those... (Ironically, the way technology deteriorates, the VHS tapes may outlast the DVDs!) VHS, on the other hand, I'm trying to offload gradually, just keep keeping what's out-of-print for eventual digital archiving when I get around to it. It's easier to give VHS away than it is to try and sell it!
As for the Daedalus, I'm of mixed feelings about this design thinking that generally speaking what we get on screen is usually the best compromise the designer comes up with. And every good design is a compromise whether the designer admits it or not. Matt Jefferies seems to have been unusually honest and DID admit his designs were compromises. What I appreciated about his Enterprise designs was that he gave sound rationalizations for WHY he put down lines as he did.
That said, I've always had an easier time believing the Constitution Class USS Enterprise evolved from this Daedalus Class ship design rather than that "must be alterate reality, "Akira-prise" NX-Class mess. I know that design has its fans, too, but it sure doesn't fit into what I understand Star Trek was before the TNG producers started revising the timeline and overall continuity of "the Franchise."
(If only the problems TNG had ended with bad design choices... What's sunk that part of Trek in my opinion has been all the bad storytelling choices since the beginning of Season 5 of that show but I'll stop there.... This thread is about a design and I'm off track more than I should be now.)
For that matter, I don't accept the refit Constitution Class (can we please call this Enterprise Class like was originally planned?) as being evolved from the TOS Enterprise, either. The changes are just too radical... It's like going from a pre-World War II Spitfire prototype to the F-16A in one shot! There's no in-between design or gradual evolution like we saw with the US aircraft carrier designs over the decades between what we call Yorktown Class and late Nimitz/Ronald Reagan sub-class Carriers.
(Now, IF the TOS Enterprise had evolved into something closer to the Phase II Starship then THAT I could buy as being the same ship. A 100% or near 100% rebuild is still a new ship!)
I guess it helps that you have the same main designer for the ships of a shared universe as much as it does having an author for the same universe of books! Too many cooks and you get all this extraneous stuff that just doesn't connect well.
I'm sure your Daedalus kit will turn out just fine.
I admit I don't quite get all the enthusiasm for the ship design but it's Star Trek: TOS so what is there to get, period???!?!?? I should just stop being Spock already and go with the flow like Kirk did. The adventure and nuttiness eventually do get you to the destination!
I was not aware of your family situation and I hope your wife is doing well...
If I could afford it now, I'd send her my old VHS copies of the first 5 Star Trek movies and TOS -- half of TOS on VHS at any rate. I've got all I want on DVD and Blu ray and want to keep those... (Ironically, the way technology deteriorates, the VHS tapes may outlast the DVDs!) VHS, on the other hand, I'm trying to offload gradually, just keep keeping what's out-of-print for eventual digital archiving when I get around to it. It's easier to give VHS away than it is to try and sell it!
As for the Daedalus, I'm of mixed feelings about this design thinking that generally speaking what we get on screen is usually the best compromise the designer comes up with. And every good design is a compromise whether the designer admits it or not. Matt Jefferies seems to have been unusually honest and DID admit his designs were compromises. What I appreciated about his Enterprise designs was that he gave sound rationalizations for WHY he put down lines as he did.
That said, I've always had an easier time believing the Constitution Class USS Enterprise evolved from this Daedalus Class ship design rather than that "must be alterate reality, "Akira-prise" NX-Class mess. I know that design has its fans, too, but it sure doesn't fit into what I understand Star Trek was before the TNG producers started revising the timeline and overall continuity of "the Franchise."
(If only the problems TNG had ended with bad design choices... What's sunk that part of Trek in my opinion has been all the bad storytelling choices since the beginning of Season 5 of that show but I'll stop there.... This thread is about a design and I'm off track more than I should be now.)
For that matter, I don't accept the refit Constitution Class (can we please call this Enterprise Class like was originally planned?) as being evolved from the TOS Enterprise, either. The changes are just too radical... It's like going from a pre-World War II Spitfire prototype to the F-16A in one shot! There's no in-between design or gradual evolution like we saw with the US aircraft carrier designs over the decades between what we call Yorktown Class and late Nimitz/Ronald Reagan sub-class Carriers.
(Now, IF the TOS Enterprise had evolved into something closer to the Phase II Starship then THAT I could buy as being the same ship. A 100% or near 100% rebuild is still a new ship!)
I guess it helps that you have the same main designer for the ships of a shared universe as much as it does having an author for the same universe of books! Too many cooks and you get all this extraneous stuff that just doesn't connect well.
I'm sure your Daedalus kit will turn out just fine.
I admit I don't quite get all the enthusiasm for the ship design but it's Star Trek: TOS so what is there to get, period???!?!?? I should just stop being Spock already and go with the flow like Kirk did. The adventure and nuttiness eventually do get you to the destination!
Effingham
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Yeah, but like the recipe for bread in mediaeval cookbooks (i.e., "absent"), it's one of those things everyone thinks everyone already knows to do.
feek61
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Don't know if I completely agree with this. The original "Essex" class carriers were a far cry from the those in that class that were eventually decommisioned. The "Enterprise" Essex class was built in 1936 if I recall and is a far cry from the "Essex" class carriers from the end of WWII. I personally don't have a problem with the changes from the TOS version to the refit (although I have never been a refit fan; TOS all the way for me) but the evolution from the Daedalus class to the Constitution class seems to be a logical step and in fact is based on the Jefferies design. In any event I'm glad you are making this available Steve. She's a beauty!!!! I am interested in your plans for the decals though as far as having the option of making it other ships (the "Essex" for instant). Any options planed for other ships?
On another note it's worth reading the book "The Big E" to get the complete history of the original "Enterprise" carrier; great reading!
crackerjazz
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I wish I had your skills, Steve, this is such a fine build. And the speed you're going is unmatchable.
I don't mean to derail the thread, but after the Daedalus, do you have any plans of kitting a 33" TOS? Someday, maybe? I just know it would be a piece of cake in the hands of a professional prop builder. It's studio scale, smaller, and more affordable than your ongoing TOS build for people like me. If so please put me down for one.
I'm still looking forward to seeing the bigger TOS completed, of course - I know it'll be out of my reach but still an amazing build to follow.
I don't mean to derail the thread, but after the Daedalus, do you have any plans of kitting a 33" TOS? Someday, maybe? I just know it would be a piece of cake in the hands of a professional prop builder. It's studio scale, smaller, and more affordable than your ongoing TOS build for people like me. If so please put me down for one.
I'm still looking forward to seeing the bigger TOS completed, of course - I know it'll be out of my reach but still an amazing build to follow.
SteveNeill
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I might do one but for now i have to mold the big one first.
The decals will include all the different names. I'm with you on that.
George, wow. OK I agree on many points and thanks about my wife.
Anyway here's some pictures of the nearly completed masters. I have a bit of cleaning work to do that's all and molds.
Thanks everyone for the kind comments.
Steve
The decals will include all the different names. I'm with you on that.
George, wow. OK I agree on many points and thanks about my wife.
Anyway here's some pictures of the nearly completed masters. I have a bit of cleaning work to do that's all and molds.
Thanks everyone for the kind comments.
Steve
trekriffic
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This is the finest build of the Daedalus I've ever seen. In any scale.
SteveNeill
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Thanks for the support guys!
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JP Modelworks
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Steve, sorry to hear about your wife, you are both in my prayers! (My daughter had cancer at 13 ((She's now 24, thank God for her full recovery)) so I know what it's like. God bless.
JP Modelworks
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Steve, glad you were inspired! Your work does the same for me, keep it up!
SteveNeill
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JP I'm so glad it worked out for you that way. My wife beat it 8 years ago and now it's returned. I know she can do it again. Glad to hear I do the same back at you. We all keep each other going I think. I had a good time looking at all the cool models you have built.
Here's a picture of me a bit rag tagged and over worked covered in dust with the master for size. She's a decent size I think. Not too small.
Steve
Here's a picture of me a bit rag tagged and over worked covered in dust with the master for size. She's a decent size I think. Not too small.
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