I would swear that is the cast of Princess Mononoke after being attacked by the demon banana, why you gotta blame KK for everything that goes wrong in Iron Town?
Kathleen Kennedy is stepping down
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Kathleen Kennedy Gives a Definitive Answer to Those Constant 'Star Wars' Retirement Rumors
Will the franchise get a new boss or not?
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Says "I'm not retired. I'm not going anywhere."
Cephus
Master Member
But they don't want simple diverse casting, they want something they can celebrate and use as a wedge. Just because there have been black actors in Star Wars forever doesn't mean anything if they can't pretend to be superior because of it.
That's what it's always been about. They don't really care about diversity, they care about being smug about it.
Cephus
Master Member
It's been over for me since 1983. I just don't care anymore. I saw the story I want to see. I don't care who makes it, I am not really interested. That said though, I'll watch it if it's really good, but it's still going to be fanfic. The story is over. Let it go.
asalaw
Sr Member
She's talking about not leaving the film industry. But she's definitely leaving Lucasfilm.Kathleen Kennedy Gives a Definitive Answer to Those Constant 'Star Wars' Retirement Rumors
Will the franchise get a new boss or not?
Says "I'm not retired. I'm not going anywhere."
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100% agree. That article reads like it was written by her personal assistant.
No one is asking if she's retiring. That's the question she answered.
asalaw
Sr Member
Exactly. All she has to say is, "No, I'm not leaving Lucasfilm," but that's the one thing she hasn't said. It's all about countering the narrative that she's through in the film business because she drove LFL's two flagship brands into the ground.
Therefore, I can't help but read the evasion as confirmation.
asalaw
Sr Member
I read it exactly the same way. She's out at LFL when her contract expires.
As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars ended in 1983 and Indiana Jones ended in 1989. I don't need more. I don't want more. As well meaning as some of my friends are because "I'm a Star Wars guy" even their recommendations fall on deaf ears while I politely nod my head, because I know full well that I won't waste my time to give any new content a try. You truly can have too much of a good thing. Stories need to end, otherwise they make themselves irrelevant.
Challenge there is that Disney has a poor track record of giving us "a good thing". Maybe 10% of Disney Star Wars could be classified as "good" in my book.
I'd agree with you if it didn't still feel like a proper Star Wars Era Three* should still be ramping up the magic.
* Era One = OT, Era Two = PT
I'd argue that they haven't given us a single good thing. A few morsels (some decent scenes in two episodes of Mandalorian-the infiltration episode with Bill Burr- and something else that I literally can't recall (not Luke showing up 
)- aren't enough to bring me back to the table and your 10% (to my mind) is far too generous. I'm glad you feel that there's still something worth salvaging, but as far as I'm concerned, I don't think there's anything left to say in SW as a narrative.
For your sake I hope they give you what you're after. I mean that sincerely. I just know it's over for me. I'm at a point in my life where I just don't have the stamina to keep chasing after a hope I don't have.
)- aren't enough to bring me back to the table and your 10% (to my mind) is far too generous. I'm glad you feel that there's still something worth salvaging, but as far as I'm concerned, I don't think there's anything left to say in SW as a narrative. For your sake I hope they give you what you're after. I mean that sincerely. I just know it's over for me. I'm at a point in my life where I just don't have the stamina to keep chasing after a hope I don't have.
I guess the part that shocks me is so many people believe the hype. From a business perspective we hear people say, "All Disney really cares about is making money." But we see the opposite is true. They run the business into the ground. Then we hear, "well they want to promote diversity" and again, the opposite is true. It has always been diverse and now we see them attacking their own audience, the ones who enjoyed the already diverse cast, making false claims of racism and bigotry for what seems to be more opportunities to run the company into the ground. If a foreign power were paying them to purposely destroy Disney from the inside, it would look and act no different than it does right now. Invert that logic and the same is true. What they are doing right now looks intentional.
But when all is said and done, I really cannot bring myself to believe that people fall for it. I would much rather give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are paid pundits, shills, mouthpieces. Because to believe that they really think that KK doesn't see the decades of diversity programming in Disney and in Star Wars would mean they just aren't that bright. George is 200 percent a stooge for things like the Amidala leather outfit, agreed. Hot yes, but she is one of the most beautiful people born in the last century, she didn'..... t.......nee....d..... No, sorry, can't finish. The leather was amazing. But she was still in charge and her entire planet saw fit to continue appointing female leaders as well as male (male at least at senate level). Not even the empire was all male leadership. But seriously why even talk about it. How stupid does someone need to be to claim there was no previous diversity in Star Wars? The answer? A liar. You have to be a liar because no one is that stupid.
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I'd argue that they haven't given us a single good thing. A few morsels (some decent scenes in two episodes of Mandalorian-the infiltration episode with Bill Burr- and something else that I literally can't recall (not Luke showing up
For your sake I hope they give you what you're after. I mean that sincerely. I just know it's over for me. I'm at a point in my life where I just don't have the stamina to keep chasing after a hope I don't have.
I would argue that OT Star Wars isn't a realistic goal to set for any new SW, ever.
Partially because of nostalgia. We saw the OT as kids. That element is obvious.
But it's also because George Lucas was one of the peak filmmakers in the culture in the 1970s, and his heart was totally into doing the OT. (Well, at least he was totally into ANH and ESB.)
Today the peak creative filmmakers are mostly not interested in doing kid-oriented stuff. Sometimes a studio can bribe them to do it anyway, but their hearts won't be in it and it shows. Lucas & Speilberg's hearts were totally in the early SW & Indy movies. That was rare.
The more common result of bribing a filmmaker to make a kids' movie is Tim Burton's 'Batman Returns' or Michael Bay's 'Transformers' or TMNT. It may or may not be the movie the studio wanted. It definitely won't have the instant-classic mojo that made the filmmaker famous. It's a recipe for commerical products, but not art.
I get what you're saying, but my point was that I have everything I need in those three films. For me, anything else is too much. Sure there might be something fun or interesting in the material after 1983, but it will always be non essential. I walked away from the EU by the year 2000 because those stories ran into the same problems any series faces when it drags on for decades. Derivative continuation, for continuation's sake.
As I've gotten older I'm more and more inclined to accept the brevity of art, though it can become immortalized in my mind because I can view it endlessly without it being diminished of its power. Life is short. Stories end. I can never be young again, and that's okay.
As I've gotten older I'm more and more inclined to accept the brevity of art, though it can become immortalized in my mind because I can view it endlessly without it being diminished of its power. Life is short. Stories end. I can never be young again, and that's okay.
Doppla
New Member
I was 10 when SW came out and what an impact it had on most of us. I viewed it through a kids eyes and grew up with the other 2 sequels so its very nostalgic to me now. I fully expect that scifi today isn't going to be as it was during the original SW, Stargate, Star Trek, Firefly decades. And argue all you want about the best Trek or Stargate, weren't we spoiled with some really good entertainment? Like the music of today, movies and tv are a different beast that makes me yearn for the scifi of my day. I guess this happens to us all.
You can't really go back as try as you might. Strange New Worlds tries to capture that older vibe, but it doesn't quite get there (I'm not as distracted by canon and I'm amazed how some of you keep track of it all...mad respect for that). So when I started watching Discovery I did so reluctantly accepting my Trek was over and a new era was about to begin, new stories, new baddies and all with the special effects possible today. I was so disappointed by the drama aspect of the story telling and it felt more like a 'you can be the best version of you' message every damn five minutes. Too many tissues for their issues. Kinda felt like Temu made it. But these are modern times that grumpy old buggers like me can't identify with.
Star Wars for me will forever be the OT and I'm happy to revisit my viewing by leading in with Andor and Rogue One (modern and original almost in harmony, please don't roast me all you hard core fans). The prequels were too jarring (yes you too Binks) and the last three felt to me like they really were in a Galaxy far far away. I will I look at all the new SW and ST stuff coming out. Will I be disappointed by most of it, most likely...but in there will be something I can enjoy that triggers the need to re-watch the classics. But I do wish politics were kept out and we got back to focusing on great story lines, bad assed villains, unemotional Starfleet officers and just bloody good scifi. But I do long for the humour, intelligence and fun of my era of scifi
You can't really go back as try as you might. Strange New Worlds tries to capture that older vibe, but it doesn't quite get there (I'm not as distracted by canon and I'm amazed how some of you keep track of it all...mad respect for that). So when I started watching Discovery I did so reluctantly accepting my Trek was over and a new era was about to begin, new stories, new baddies and all with the special effects possible today. I was so disappointed by the drama aspect of the story telling and it felt more like a 'you can be the best version of you' message every damn five minutes. Too many tissues for their issues. Kinda felt like Temu made it. But these are modern times that grumpy old buggers like me can't identify with.
Star Wars for me will forever be the OT and I'm happy to revisit my viewing by leading in with Andor and Rogue One (modern and original almost in harmony, please don't roast me all you hard core fans). The prequels were too jarring (yes you too Binks) and the last three felt to me like they really were in a Galaxy far far away. I will I look at all the new SW and ST stuff coming out. Will I be disappointed by most of it, most likely...but in there will be something I can enjoy that triggers the need to re-watch the classics. But I do wish politics were kept out and we got back to focusing on great story lines, bad assed villains, unemotional Starfleet officers and just bloody good scifi. But I do long for the humour, intelligence and fun of my era of scifi
Cephus
Master Member
Unfortunately, Disney has yet to give us a good thing, period.
Cephus
Master Member
Disney doesn't care about making money so long as they have investors that will just throw cash at them to make "diverse" projects. They are making money, even though their movies almost all fail at the box office. That's what companies like Blackrock and Vanguard are doing, two of their biggest contributors. Granted, they are not doing their fiduciary duty to make money for ALL of their stockholders and that's eventually going to come to bite them in the ass. Granted, all of Hollywood is failing, and deservedly so, so they'll keep riding the wave for a while longer until either the whole thing collapses, or someone sues them. They don't care about producing entertainment, they're in it for the social engineering.
Hookay, moving on from the "Star Wars is dead to me" and "Disney sucks" whining and back to the topic:
www.starwarsnewsnet.com
Jeff Sneider, cited in the article, is known to be a Kennedy shill and has been part of her propaganda arm for years. If he says she's stepping down, then this suggests that maybe she and her team are trying to get control of the "stepping down" narrative and "rally the troops" in what small fanbase she has left.
Kathleen Kennedy Stepping Down From Lucasfilm In August - Star Wars News Net
Kathleen Kennedy will be stepping down as Lucasfilm President this August, a new report suggests. She will still be producing Star Wars films
www.starwarsnewsnet.com
Jeff Sneider, cited in the article, is known to be a Kennedy shill and has been part of her propaganda arm for years. If he says she's stepping down, then this suggests that maybe she and her team are trying to get control of the "stepping down" narrative and "rally the troops" in what small fanbase she has left.
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