Kathleen Kennedy is stepping down

According to Variety

“Variety can also confirm that Jonathan Tropper has written the screenplay for the film. Tropper has written prior features for Levy (“The Adam Project,” “This Is Where I Leave You”) and is the creator of the Apple TV+ series “Your Friends & Neighbors.”

OK. Somebody posted that there wasn't a script yet. Tropper's background doesn't sound very promising, but we'll see.
 
Oh, I dunno, call me old-fashioned, call me old-timey, antediluvian even, I just like stories to be about something. It's just my way. :p
I find myself up against the logic wall when these conversations come up because the recent trash being produced was, point of fact, because of this exact issue. ( With the clear exception of series where the director has been the writer from day one) No script was presented and the entire creative writing process was handed to directors to make up on the fly. Trek, Star Wars, Lost (ABC) were all being created as a single person creative suite. No writers, or ones that didn't act like it, they acted as directors while writing and correcting ON SET, LIVE. But when I point out that directors don't write scripts unless it is their own story(written BEFORE the directing part started), several people will chime in with how perfectly normal it is and how I really shouldn't have noticed an issue that doesn't exist. But all this picking up of franchises, with known canon, and saying that the director gets to write the new dialogue and usually on the fly? But yet people defend this like it is totally normal. Anyone who has spent even a semester in film school knows that isn't true. Directors don't write, they direct vs writers writing. It seems so obvious in the names of the jobs..... but here we are. I think the best part is, the ones known to do this are the same ones who have destroyed entire franchises. So, I concede that if you wish to destroy decades of valuable good will in epic franchises , then yes, it is a perfectly normal path. But I will also concede that many series shows are totally written by the director, including jokes, and are smash hits.
 
According to Variety

“Variety can also confirm that Jonathan Tropper has written the screenplay for the film. Tropper has written prior features for Levy (“The Adam Project,” “This Is Where I Leave You”) and is the creator of the Apple TV+ series “Your Friends & Neighbors.”

This is spin. There are always drafts, just like there were several drafts for the Rey movie that'll never get made because it can't get a script approved.
 
This is spin. There are always drafts, just like there were several drafts for the Rey movie that'll never get made because it can't get a script approved.
This is true. I worked for a producer, Michael Preger, when he was in development for Village of the Damned for Universal, and we went through numerous drafts--and writers--long before John Carpenter got attached (after I left). I did see one or more David Himmelstein drafts, as well as other writers. Every time a draft came in, I had to break it down, cook up a shooting schedule that made sense on paper, and run a budget, all so Mike could compare his numbers to what Jim Jacks at Universal was giving him. This went on for years. We were also doing the same in parallel for Day of the Triffids, which never got made.

EDIT--HAH! Shows how out-of-touch I am now. Turns out Mike got Triffids made as a miniseries back in '09.
 
Preproduction without a script?
TFA famously was in development for over a year with just concept artists doing random art with little direction. That's what led to such crazy rumors in the early days. It's also what gave direction to Michael Arndt, who never managed to bring the script into focus before Abrams came in and nuked most everything.

A lot of bigger franchise films start with concept art, FX sequences that will take forever to complete. Studios, especially Lucasfgilm, refuse to learn the lesson that starting with a story tends to get you further.
 
TFA famously was in development for over a year with just concept artists doing random art with little direction. That's what led to such crazy rumors in the early days. It's also what gave direction to Michael Arndt, who never managed to bring the script into focus before Abrams came in and nuked most everything.

A lot of bigger franchise films start with concept art, FX sequences that will take forever to complete. Studios, especially Lucasfgilm, refuse to learn the lesson that starting with a story tends to get you further.

Yeah, when you've got that kind of money to spray out of a fire hose, things get crazy. But where I come from, locking down the script was as much about fiscal discipline as anything else--there's no way to develop an accurate budget--or even a ballpark one--without a shooting script.
 
A lot of bigger franchise films start with concept art, FX sequences that will take forever to complete.

We had a series of Time-Life books when I was a kid about computers and the history of computing, and one volume was about computers and Hollywood. I remember they had a section on TRON and somebody talking about how the movie was a mess, with concept artists coming up with ideas that got tossed into the mix, basically letting the visuals wag the story.

This was framed as something unusual, and undesirable. How far we've fallen.
 
Yeah, when you've got that kind of money to spray out of a fire hose, things get crazy. But where I come from, locking down the script was as much about fiscal discipline as anything else--there's no way to develop an accurate budget--or even a ballpark one--without a shooting script.
STOP BEING LOGICAL! And the studios wonder why none of their movies are profitable...
 
STOP BEING LOGICAL! And the studios wonder why none of their movies are profitable...
I know, right? And we're not even finding out the true budgets of these disasters. I wouldn't be surprised if Snow White ran up $400M by the time the reshoots and CGI revisions were done, and that's not even considering the marketing budget.
 
The thing with Disney, in respects to their own movies, Star Wars, and Marvel is that they aren't just trying to make profitable movies. They will spend $400m on a movie because they want to keep the brand alive. They aren't saying, "let's spend $200m on a Star War and hope it makes triple that world wide." They are saying "let's spend $400m a year and make whatever to support Star Wars as a brand that is licensed out to hundreds of products, is a major part of our theme park attractions, and a core IP in our streaming service. It's not a straight budget to box office comparison for them, but that also makes it impossible to have a metric of success outside of fan reaction, which isn't reliable.
 
The thing with Disney, in respects to their own movies, Star Wars, and Marvel is that they aren't just trying to make profitable movies. They will spend $400m on a movie because they want to keep the brand alive. They aren't saying, "let's spend $200m on a Star War and hope it makes triple that world wide." They are saying "let's spend $400m a year and make whatever to support Star Wars as a brand that is licensed out to hundreds of products, is a major part of our theme park attractions, and a core IP in our streaming service. It's not a straight budget to box office comparison for them, but that also makes it impossible to have a metric of success outside of fan reaction, which isn't reliable.
Disney is a publicly traded corporation. Their stock is trading at less than 50% of its value five years ago. They can't afford to be fire hosing money out the door on "brand maintenance." Their movies have to make a profit.

And the greatest part of those losses, both in theaters and on Disney+, is due to a dwindling audience across their IP portfolio. So if you're accurately describing their strategy, it's clearly a failed one.
 
No doubt. I honestly don't know how shareholders haven't called for Iger's head. I'm even more boggled that David Zaslav (who's WORSE than Iger in my opinion) is destroying WB's legacy piece by piece and the shareholders are okay with it.

You're preaching to the choir. I am completely befuddled as to how Iger and Zaslav still have jobs.
 
In Zaslav's case it's because he's making cash for shareholders. Stock worth is plummeting, but for every tax write-off shelved movie or licnsed sale to another distributor, or shuttered subsidiary, capitol is freed up. Shareholders can vote and agree to take that cash as taxable payouts while saying they are erasing debt to the company. It's a short term way to make money, but I definitely don't get how none of them seem to have the foresight to see that this strategy is short term and devalues everything.

If Zaslav continues to strip mine and dismantle WB, selling off the pieces to make money, the stock will continue to be devalued.He can bail out with his golden parachute and the cash flush stockholders will dump their stock, and once of the original legacy studios will go the way of Fox or MGM.
 
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In Zaslav's case it's because he's make cash for shareholders. Stock worth is plummeting, but for every tax write-off shelved movie or licnsed sale to another distributor, or shuttered subsidiary, capitol is freed up. Shareholders can vote and agree to take that cash as taxable payouts while sayimg they are erasing debt to the company. It's a short term way to make money, but I definitely don't get how none of them seem to have the foresight to see that this strategy is short term and devalues everything.

If Zaslav continues to strip mine and dismantle WB, selling off the pieces to make money, the stock will continue to be devalued.He can bail out with his golden parachute and the cash flush stockholders will dump their stock, and once of the original legacy studios will go the way of Fox or MGM.

And the sad part is, I don't think any of that technically violates the fiduciary duty owed by directors and officers to the shareholders. And yet the company is extinguished.
 
No doubt. I honestly don't know how shareholders haven't called for Iger's head. I'm even more boggled that David Zaslav (who's WORSE than Iger in my opinion) is destroying WB's legacy piece by piece and the shareholders are okay with it.

The trick is to manipulate the system so that the Board has all of your own cronies and sycophants on it. Then you do what you want until even they can't ignore it.
 
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