Jurassic Park Cryocan scam???

russrep said:
Yes those are my photos
There is about 2-3 companies using different photos and videos
I don’t understand the scam unless they get lots of orders in withdraw the money and disappear?

They also delete any negative comments on the Facebook adds

Russ
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I replied without realizing you were in this thread, but yeah it sounds like a scam entity that just rip images from others and collect sales before disappearing.

I will say when it happened to me there were a few people who evidently did get product before they disappeared. So I'm curious if anyone will get this product in hand before they take off with everyone's $.
 
I saw that today too. The ad claimed they were the only one authorized to make replicas of the cryocan. I flagged it as misleading/scam since they are clearly not Paragon FX Group.
 
Now it's cropped up under a new name. I've reported both this one and the old one.


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JoshuaV said:
It wont help. Alot of these companies run out of the production warehouses internationally. Whenever they have a surplus of bad product or slop casts they put up shell companies or cheap websites to sell them and then dissolve the websites before any legal action can be pursued.

I had something similar to this happen to me and I had to get WB/Legendary and the host site involved as they were stealing art and making unauthorized merch. I was informed there was nothing that could be done, and it was because after a week or two of operations the websites all but disappeared.

As far as using the Etsy images its a old tactic these entities also use for other sites like Ebay. They just pick a product photo, use the image to promote their own sales, and then disappear before anyone gets wind.

That said if the Etsy user is successful I'd love to hear more. It would be useful here being we have a ton of prop makers, and I'm sure users here have had their images taken and used for unauthorized product in the past.
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How does a company get around PayPal, I wonder? PayPal should definitely rule in favor of you in the event of tom foolery, unless their plan is to hope people forget about their order and don't do anything about it for 6 months?
 
I wonder the same... If you pay with PayPal, you are protected, right? Not going to try, but really curious how scammers get around that buyer protection?
 
TomVDJ said:
I wonder the same... If you pay with PayPal, you are protected, right? Not going to try, but really curious how scammers get around that buyer protection?
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I ordered something once from one of these FB ads, and the item that showed up didn’t look anything like what I ordered. It was a cheap plastic POS, compared to the nice metal statue they showed in their ad. So I filed a claim with PayPal. The seller claimed I must be trying to scam THEM, and showing a cheap inferior item in my “photo proof”, and it doesn’t match what they sent me. PayPal ended up finding the case in their favor, declining my refund.

I did call and speak with a few people at PayPal, and finally got someone who refunded my money by researching more and seeing that particular seller/store had numerous complaints with the same story from customers. But that PayPal employee told me that the seller won’t care. They do enough scams and for every person who actually pursues the issue like I did, there are 100 that just give up. So the scammers are winning in the numbers game.
 
filmingdrummer said:
How does a company get around PayPal, I wonder? PayPal should definitely rule in favor of you in the event of tom foolery, unless their plan is to hope people forget about their order and don't do anything about it for 6 months?
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Paypal has a time limit to submit for a refund which, once that time limit is up (I think its 30 days, I'm not sure) it becomes drastically more difficult to file for a refund. The shell companies or websites conveniently stall beyond 30 days in which, I believe they are awarded funds and they can then just delete their own paypal account, so even if a person is successful in filing a claim Paypal doesnt really have a account to direct the claim filing.

I think there's more nuance to it all, I dont really deal with Paypal that much, but from a customer perspective I'd really keep a watch on that 30 day cap to file for a refund. Cause once that expires its just a near impossible journey after that.

TomVDJ said:
I wonder the same... If you pay with PayPal, you are protected, right? Not going to try, but really curious how scammers get around that buyer protection?
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They offer limited protection. Its nothing really concrete sadly.

Moviefreak said:
I ordered something once from one of these FB ads, and the item that showed up didn’t look anything like what I ordered. It was a cheap plastic POS, compared to the nice metal statue they showed in their ad. So I filed a claim with PayPal. The seller claimed I must be trying to scam THEM, and showing a cheap inferior item in my “photo proof”, and it doesn’t match what they sent me. PayPal ended up finding the case in their favor, declining my refund.

I did call and speak with a few people at PayPal, and finally got someone who refunded my money by researching more and seeing that particular seller/store had numerous complaints with the same story from customers. But that PayPal employee told me that the seller won’t care. They do enough scams and for every person who actually pursues the issue like I did, there are 100 that just give up. So the scammers are winning in the numbers game.
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Yeah that sounds about right. You really do have to fight with them, I'm surprised you were actually awarded a refund form anyone as I havent heard too many success stories like this. Especially when they obtain whatever it is they order. Most successful filings are within the 30 day mark and unusually when a product hasnt been received. So thats good, maybe Paypal is getting better about customer protection?
 
JoshuaV said:
Paypal has a time limit to submit for a refund which, once that time limit is up (I think its 30 days, I'm not sure) it becomes drastically more difficult to file for a refund.
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It's 6 months now. Paypal increased that period of protection dramatically quite a while ago.
 
TomVDJ said:
It's 6 months now. Paypal increased that period of protection dramatically quite a while ago.
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Really? I ran into the 30 day cap as recent as 2020, 2021 so its good they extended the deadline to file for a refund.

I'm curious if they solved the shadow account issue in regards to gathering income and then just disappearing, leaving Paypal to foot the bill for reported refunds.
 
JoshuaV said:
Really? I ran into the 30 day cap as recent as 2020, 2021 so its good they extended the deadline to file for a refund.

I'm curious if they solved the shadow account issue in regards to gathering income and then just disappearing, leaving Paypal to foot the bill for reported refunds.
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Maybe indeed that's how they work: gather tons of funds on a shadow account, transfer this money to somewhere else and when the claims are kicking in, abandoning that paypal account. Don't know if PayPal leaves it with that or goes after the owner of the account in that case (if they can find him).
 
Yeah I saw this last nigh and was like - this feels scammy I'll check RPF. I can't believe they stole your video too.
 
It's a different item, but there's an Ebay scammer who pops up every few months with a certain bogus item, always using the same stolen photo.

They pop up with just the one item, immediately get reported to Ebay by a several people, and get shut down within a few hours. Ebay obviously knows all about them because they shut them down immediately.

What I don't understand is how, whenever they pop up, always using a different name and a different location, they have hundreds of transactions with 100% positive feedback...though they only have one listing, for that one bogus item, just now posted. Is there a way of piggybacking a bogus listing on a legit seller's transaction history?
 
Dr Jones Sr said:
What I don't understand is how, whenever they pop up, always using a different name and a different location, they have hundreds of transactions with 100% positive feedback...though they only have one listing, for that one bogus item, just now posted. Is there a way of piggybacking a bogus listing on a legit seller's transaction history?
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I believe there is. I see a seller pop up all the time selling hundreds of rare items, like Amazing Fantasy 15, rare jewelry, and rare guitars. They also state that they will not sell through eBay, right in their description, and you must contact them to buy off site. First, nobody has that many rare items to sell, and secondly, you would be an idiot to buy outside eBay as they most likely will tell you to checkout through an unsecured, unprotected method. It screams scam.

This seller pops up weekly, and it’s always under a new account name, with thousands of positive sales. Same items, just a new account. I report it every time and eBay takes it down in a few minutes. Once they take it down, the “real” seller who owns the feedback is still up and live, but only the fake items are gone. So they must be piggybacking off these accounts somehow.
 
They use all kind if stuff for their scam. Some years ago, when I was still a member of Facebook, the same offers appeared with the Jurassic park iron studios stuff.

The jungle Explorer was $50, trex about $70. A nice diorama for ~$200 sounds nice, right?

I never ordered something, but I remember a big discussion in a german JP forum about these offers. In the end no one was brave enough to order something. But luckily comments unter the advertisement were not deleted in such large number as today, so after a while comments appear about the final products. It was the same as mentioned by Moviefreak: they got some cheap plastic dinosaur, what looks nothing like the picture, and what is not nearly worth $70.

I think the simple question Is it too good to be true...? saves money and helps to protect from such scams...
 
This sounds like the same scam used for the Grail Diary replica. I seen those pop up on FB. Marketed with all the inserts for like $30.00.

You could not touch an authentic Grail Diary replica for less than 350-400.
 
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