Jared Leto Joker

Besides i may be wrong but hasnt there been word that this isnt even the look that he will have in the actual movie?

That is what I've been saying. I didn't read the tweet itself until yesterday; the people and articles using the image didn't include it, but nothing in the tweet suggested it was the actual appearance they were going to use. Other information suggests something more traditional and in keeping with the character. This was a joke, on the character's anniversary, to stir fans and make people fight.

1 pic and the world goes mad.

What more could a fictional clown of crime want?
 
That is what I've been saying. I didn't read the tweet itself until yesterday; the people and articles using the image didn't include it, but nothing in the tweet suggested it was the actual appearance they were going to use. Other information suggests something more traditional and in keeping with the character. This was a joke, on the character's anniversary, to stir fans and make people fight.




What more could a fictional clown of crime want?


well it certainly worked lol. personally i think it was just for the anniversary or you wont see the tats for 90% of the film.
 
The problem is that the tattoos are now labeling the Joker when he has always been a mystery and that is scarier. Take Nolan's Joker for instance. His clothes were custom made, no fingerprints, we knew absolutely nothing about him or his motives. Some speculate that he was a soldier with PTSD but no one knew for sure. Now they may as well hang a sign around Leto's neck that says "I'm crazy". I think Leto has the acting chops to make a great Joker but is he good enough for people to see past this mess? We shall see.

That's an interesting take but I don't feel like his tattoos label him anymore than leaving a Joker Card at the end of Batman Begins. Honestly, to me, this is what Joker would like in real life. It's cool to be all mysterious and a ghost when no one has ever seen you but imagine if Ledger's Joker committed a crime a few months after being caught at the end of TDK... everyone would say, "It's that darned Joker at it again."

Even in TDK it was said that nobody would talk because they knew all about Joker, he had no rules, so his reputation spread fast and the mystery was no more. I think we're looking at a universe with no more origins. Batman is just Batman, Joker will just be Joker. (Assuming it's one big universe. Tough not to believe so after they announced the full slate.)
 
I think we need to keep opinions of 'bad' to ourselves, just because we don't like something doesn't make it bad. Your opinion may be that you do not like it, but that does not make something 'bad'. Calling someone 'bad' is already linking it to a faulty reputation, even when we haven't seen much of it. (i.e. Batfleck, reaction to Heath's casting as the Joker.)
All I am saying is we need to stop being so critical of the work of others, it's your opinion that you do not like it, but I personally don't agree that not liking something permits slander against it. I think we need to keep our judgements until we've seen how this is incorporated into the film. We need to ask ourselves, if we came up with something original trying to bring new light to a character, how would we feel if our ideas were shot down so easily? The word 'bad' is thrown around too often, we need to be respectful of the opinions of others, and the work put into this, even if we don't like it.
 
I'm just keeping my mind open about the look and Sucide Squad as a whole, and really it isn't like they can't back pedal from this for the bigger movie universe if people hate it in the film. He very well could be faking a "Gangsta" look and then be much cleaner in the rest of the movies. It'd be a retcon sure, but it could be worse.
 
I think we need to keep opinions of 'bad' to ourselves, just because we don't like something doesn't make it bad. Your opinion may be that you do not like it, but that does not make something 'bad'. Calling someone 'bad' is already linking it to a faulty reputation, even when we haven't seen much of it. (i.e. Batfleck, reaction to Heath's casting as the Joker.)
All I am saying is we need to stop being so critical of the work of others, it's your opinion that you do not like it, but I personally don't agree that not liking something permits slander against it. I think we need to keep our judgements until we've seen how this is incorporated into the film. We need to ask ourselves, if we came up with something original trying to bring new light to a character, how would we feel if our ideas were shot down so easily? The word 'bad' is thrown around too often, we need to be respectful of the opinions of others, and the work put into this, even if we don't like it.

On the contrary, when a mass opinion is all the same, it is no longer an opinion, it is a standard. I'd say the opinion of the new "Joker" (quoted as my own small form of protest) has been largely negative.

The tattoos are absurd. The Joker I've grown up with and known for decades now would never be so g-d obvious and on-the-nose. He's damaged and screwed up and PROVES it. He doesn't need it LITERALLY written on his forehead. Come on. He's THE JOKER for ******'s sake! Why in world would he ever think "I need a skull jester and the word 'HA' a bunch of times so people know I'm crazy"? Give me a friggin break. These new set pictures that came out just add to it. Not only are the ridiculous tattoos present, but he's dressed like a street pimp.

WB/DC completely missed the mark. In fact, they've missed just about every mark possible. I hate what the DCCU is becoming.
 
On the contrary, when a mass opinion is all the same, it is no longer an opinion, it is a standard. I'd say the opinion of the new "Joker" (quoted as my own small form of protest) has been largely negative.

The tattoos are absurd. The Joker I've grown up with and known for decades now would never be so g-d obvious and on-the-nose. He's damaged and screwed up and PROVES it. He doesn't need it LITERALLY written on his forehead. Come on. He's THE JOKER for ******'s sake! Why in world would he ever think "I need a skull jester and the word 'HA' a bunch of times so people know I'm crazy"? Give me a friggin break. These new set pictures that came out just add to it. Not only are the ridiculous tattoos present, but he's dressed like a street pimp.

WB/DC completely missed the mark. In fact, they've missed just about every mark possible. I hate what the DCCU is becoming.

I agree, along with the confirmation of Ezra Miller as the Barry Allen Flash :)sick) I feel like the DCCU is really off to a bad start. Man of Steel: not too bad, DoJ: hopeful, Suicide Squad: losing interest. I was really hoping that the tattoos were fake, or at least toned down but nope. Between the tats, pimp suit, lambo, and slapping Harley (nothing new there I guess) I guess they are going the Pimp route
 
On the contrary, when a mass opinion is all the same, it is no longer an opinion, it is a standard. I'd say the opinion of the new "Joker" (quoted as my own small form of protest) has been largely negative.

The tattoos are absurd. The Joker I've grown up with and known for decades now would never be so g-d obvious and on-the-nose. He's damaged and screwed up and PROVES it. He doesn't need it LITERALLY written on his forehead. Come on. He's THE JOKER for ******'s sake! Why in world would he ever think "I need a skull jester and the word 'HA' a bunch of times so people know I'm crazy"? Give me a friggin break. These new set pictures that came out just add to it. Not only are the ridiculous tattoos present, but he's dressed like a street pimp.

WB/DC completely missed the mark. In fact, they've missed just about every mark possible. I hate what the DCCU is becoming.

Totally agree. The Joker looks like a ridiculous thug/pimp/junkie, because it's all David Ayer knows how to do.

Watch the other movies he's made (except Fury and U571) and you'll see that other than a slight DC Comics influence, this movie looks exactly the same as all his others. He has no range and cannot work outside his comfort zone. He should not have been given a DC movie.

I think that if it was made and marketed as a stand alone, non DCCU canon film, then fine. That's what the Nolan movies were, and even though a lot of aspects of the Nolan movies veered wildly from DC Canon, everyone loved those movies because Christopher Nolan was very honest from the very beginning that what he was creating was his own vision of Gotham.

But this Suicide Squad movie is supposed to be an official addition to the DCCU, which means that these characters are only ever going to show up looking like this in future DCCU movies unless they do some kind of stupid movie version of the new 52 and retcon everything and confuse everyone in the process.

What annoys me most is that everyone who defends this Joker look says "but he looks insane and the Joker is insane and therefore it's a perfect fit!" but the whole point of the Joker is that he's a very SPECIFIC brand of crazy. There's a reason he has maintained the same key design features and personality traits throughout 75 years. Because THAT is the Joker. He's famous for a big, white, toothy smile. He's famous for bleached white skin and red lips. He's famous for the purple suit. There are so many things that make him the Joker, and though they may differ slightly between comics (like length of hair, difference builds of muscle, slightly different styles of suit), the core concept is always the same. Even Nolan's Joker had the same look and even a similar personality, just presented in Nolan's unique version. And again, Nolan was very clear with everyone the whole time that his films are not supposed to be DC Canon, so there is a reason he was able to get away with changing things.

DC is definitely losing control over their film division. They have no idea what they're doing any more and they're apparently happy to just hand over the director's seat for their films to anyone who bothers to ask. I think I'll give them a call soon and direct the stand alone Batman movie.

There are two things I'm taking solace in:
Firstly: Jared Leto is incredibly talented and will nail the performance even if his costume is stupid; and
Secondly: at some point, in one of the films, we're going to see Batman beat the crap out of this version of the Joker.
 
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What amazes me is not that Ayer was given free reign on SS but left with the task of creating the first incarnation of Joker in the DCCU, you'd think there would be someone to editorialize that from the top and veto some parts of the look. The Joker we get in SS is THE Joker for a multimillion dollar film franchise, and every movie that uses him from here on out has to follow the threads that his first appearance will create. For their sake I'm really hoping that it does end up being a trick by the Joker and his future appearances are more traditional.

I'm not adamantly against change, these characters need to flex for the times, but physical choices that other creators then have to deal with are high risk and troublesome in my opinion.
 
I really disagree that this is 'mass opinion', as I have seen many people perfectly content with this. If that argument were true then many very ugly things over the years would be considered 'right due to popular opinion'. In all honesty besides the tattoos this is probably the incarnation closest to the comics I have seen. (including Nicholson) All I'm trying to say is we should respect the opinions of others. Also the idea of the Joker being dressed "as a street pimp" (which I personally see more of a 1950's gangster-esque look) as you say has been shown in the comics for many years. (I.e. the dark knight returns) Also I guess I am sort of disturbed at the amount of negative stereotypes being implemented here, even if this is a fictional character.
 
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Athanasius & harrisonp, you guys nailed it.

Any chance you guys would be willing to let me incorporate some of your thoughts into an article I'm writing?
 
Oh boy, if the directors would've listened to you guys when Heath Ledger was first announced as Joker and when Michael Keaton was first announced as Batman, we may not have nearly as great of movies as we do today :rolleyes Just keep that in mind.....
 
Ohhhhhhh my god. I'm so tired of hearing this compared to Heath Ledger or Michael Keaton. Not only were they both by LEAPS AND BOUNDS better actors than Leto, they also had the luxury of having absolute visionaries in the director's chair. Ayers is hackneyed at BEST.
 
Oh boy, if the directors would've listened to you guys when Heath Ledger was first announced as Joker and when Michael Keaton was first announced as Batman, we may not have nearly as great of movies as we do today :rolleyes Just keep that in mind.....

I'm absolutely open minded about this, I think he could very well be the best Joker. Its too soon to write this whole movie as a loss, I think people are so used to the tight control that Marvel has over their films that anything looser seems crazy or out of left field.
 
Ohhhhhhh my god. I'm so tired of hearing this compared to Heath Ledger or Michael Keaton. Not only were they both by LEAPS AND BOUNDS better actors than Leto, they also had the luxury of having absolute visionaries in the director's chair. Ayers is hackneyed at BEST.

I'm going to debate you on that, because quite frankly, you're wrong.

Ayer has done some movies that are better than anything Nolan has ever produced. Leto has easily out-acted Keaton and Ledger in multiple movies. Tim Burton, although my favorite director, is only famous because of his unique style. He's nothing more than a re-decorator, going in and taking old things and giving him his own twist.

I mean, go ahead though and write your article of brilliant negativity and add to the mounds of pessimism that's already on the Internet! Please, talk about how much you "hate" it and how "terrible" it looks! I think the rest of us are just going to wait, and actually see how the movie is first, especially since DC seems to be really hitting home runs here lately based off of trailers, BTS photos, and set videos. But hey! You never know! May as well be negative about it while you can, since, this is in fact the exact same thing that happened with Keaton and Ledger, deny it or not.

Don't worry though... If I were wrong, I'd get tired of hearing the truth as well :lol
 
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I'm going to debate you on that, because quite frankly, you're wrong.

Ayer has done some movies that are better than anything Nolan has ever produced. Leto has easily out-acted Keaton and Ledger in multiple movies. Tim Burton, although my favorite director, is only famous because of his unique style. He's nothing more than a re-decorator, going in and taking old things and giving him his own twist.

Don't worry though... If I were wrong, I'd get tired of hearing the truth as well :lol

....I don't know that I'd call that a debate.

But let's break it down anyway, point by point. And I will keep it civil.

Like Athanasius said before, Ayer is a one trick pony. Look at his career,
Sabotage: A dirty DEA agent taking on a cartel
End of Watch: Bad cops taking on gang members
Street Kings: Dirty cop taking on drug dealers
His resume is a tome of redundancy.

Christopher Nolan has not only created critcally-acclaimed, thought-provoking films like Memento, Inception and Interstellar, he created what is widely regarded as the best adaptation of Batman to date. His films are as well-orchestrated as they are original.

Like Tim Burton, EVERY director is famous because of their unique style. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be powerhouse directors like him, Nolan, Spielberg, Columbus, etc, etc. Burton presents a gothic style to normally average and mundane settings. Films like Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands would be completely flavorless without Burton's particular flair. No other director could achieve what he did with those films. His version of the Bat-verse is, to this day, still the most iconic and recognizable. Casting Michael Keaton as Batman was a stroke of genius as he set the golden standard for the role.

Leto is one of the most overrated actors working in Hollywood. He is an overactor has no on-screen sincerity. His best role was in American Psycho, because his character was fake and had no real interest or connection with the people he interacted with. It was the perfect role for him because he didn't actually have to act. I have no real explanation as to how he hamfisted himself into winning an Oscar, but the Academy Awards have been so politically driven rather than talent based for the last 20 years, that an Academy win holds as much weight to the average viewer as an MTV award.

I don't get tired of hearing the truth. I get tired of always being right.
 
With the way he looks and the fact that we can se miss quinzel rather then harley it could be an origin part and who knows maybe he was a gangster pimp who the looses it and becomes joker
 
I may not be keen on this Joker but I dont agree with the talk of Leto being a poor actor. If you have any doubts, go watch Dallas Buyers Club.
 
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