I know, I know and I change my avatar quite a bit but I think I'll be satisfied for a while :lol
James Bond: Skyfall
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I know, I know and I change my avatar quite a bit but I think I'll be satisfied for a while :lol
Kt Templar
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Apparently, the one in CR is a left hand drive. So it's a different car. Unless Q branch swapped it over when they put in the ejector seat and guns.
Solo4114
Master Member
Apparently, the one in CR is a left hand drive. So it's a different car. Unless Q branch swapped it over when they put in the ejector seat and guns.
It's not a left-hand drive. The sequence with the gearshift makes that pretty clear. He flips the lid up with his left hand.
But it also sort of touches on what I'm getting at. M clearly "knows" the car. Otherwise, when he does that, why would she know it's the ejection seat?
I mean, at this point, I recognize that there's simply no way to "fit" all of the Bond films into the same continuity. They've tried that in the past, and it just...doesn't really work. It worked for the adaptations of the original book (mostly), and there are occasional moments after that which tie back to the older Bond films (e.g., opening of For Your Eyes Only at Tracy's grave), but the series just gets unwieldy after a while.
CR seems like a reboot, but it's a reboot that acknowledges the past, which just makes things confusing. Plus, it's a reboot with the same actors as in the "older" films. So, for example, does Judi Dench's M know this Bond from that time she called him a misogynist dinosaur back in '95? Or was that a different guy? Or is this a different universe?
Ultimately, the CR continuity seems fairly self-contained, and nods to the past are just sort of not-quite breaking the 4th wall. They're fan service, basically. What'll be interesting to see is if they progress the story along the same lines as the novel (e.g., meeting Tracy).
I think at a certain point, though, it'd actually be far far better if they adopted the internet fandom concept of "There's more than one James Bond."
That or just have him start jabbering quickly about the time vortex and pull out a sonic screwdriver.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
This isn't the first time that a current Bond interacted with previous Bond gear - no explanation, just a nod.
For all intents and purposes, every time a new actor comes in, it's a reboot. Personally, I tend to treat every film as a stand-alone movie (the exception, of course, being Casino/Quantum). It just seems easier than trying to figure out "continuity". Otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense how they were portraying Bond as a seasoned, and old agent, yet Craig is still new (from our perspective).
For all intents and purposes, every time a new actor comes in, it's a reboot. Personally, I tend to treat every film as a stand-alone movie (the exception, of course, being Casino/Quantum). It just seems easier than trying to figure out "continuity". Otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense how they were portraying Bond as a seasoned, and old agent, yet Craig is still new (from our perspective).
Because when you have an Aston Martin with an ejector seat you tell everyone how cool it is. Word gets around. :lol
It certainly does. Even as late as "License to Kill" they referred to Tracy.
Different universe IMO. Not the same Bond or M, just some nods to the fans which, as you say, doesn't quite break the 4th wall but pushes it.
I *HIGHLY* doubt it.
They tried that with Bourne ad it didn't work. I think there's some magic to the thought that the same guy keeps saving the world. Give him a sonic and he's good to go.
Although technically not true you're right. Bond has always been current which makes continuity VERY difficult.
I think the first 5 films hold continuity up pretty well. They reference Dr. No being killed by Bond in FRWL, Thunderball and YOLT fit pretty well into the same theme and Goldfinger is a stand alone adventure because it can't be SPECTRE *ALL* the time.
I group them as pretty coherent stories like this:
Dr No, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT
OHMSS, DAF (Assuming major plastic surgery to alter Blofeld)
LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR, FYEO, OP, VTAK
LD, LTK, GE, TND, TWINE, DAD
CR, QOS, SF
Treating Bond as old guard in Skyfall doesn't bother me continuity wise as we can just assume he's been on many missions since QOS.
I think one of the best things that could happen to Bond is a series on HBO of the actual novels. Say six episodes a season, one book a season.
Do them as period pieces in the 50's and early 60's. Most of the books are VERY different to the films and would be awesome to see done well in a mini-series format.
Do them as period pieces in the 50's and early 60's. Most of the books are VERY different to the films and would be awesome to see done well in a mini-series format.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
It's like completing your internship, getting your first full-time job, then five years later told you're "too old for the game". Again, if Skyfall exists separate from the other Bond movies, you can give Bond whatever background you want - maybe he has been an agent for 20 years.
I think folks are looking WAY to deep into it. However, picking apart the details just shows how big of fans we are.
Not everything is going to jive or fit like a puzzle. It's a movie and sometimes you have to over look some of the small stuff.
In that game 5 years IS "too old for the game". Consider pro athletes, they retire at 30. If you're 35 you're the old timer.
He said CR, not Skyfall. Not that I remember myself.
So clearly he had the entire car altered for skyfall. :lol
True... But we're HUGE nerds.
Yes that we are! Bondians?
