neosporing
Sr Member
So he's calling her both ma'am and mum? doh, still confused..so do they both sound phonetically the same?
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So he's calling her both ma'am and mum? doh, still confused..so do they both sound phonetically the same?
Kt Templar
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He says Ma'am, the contraction of Madam. But it is a play on the word Mum too.
He's definitely saying "Mum". An informal and endearing way to refer to a woman in authority.
Also plays into the whole "the best agents are orphans" thing. M becomes a parental figure which is why Bond gets emotional
when she dies
Solo4114
Master Member
Which is also why she chose him, I'd bet. Orphans make the best agents....because they transfer their loyalty utterly to The Company (or to her, in Bond's case).
Indeed!
I've always wondered that. Watching Luther or Ashes to Ashes I always wondered why they called female authority "mum"
neosporing
Sr Member
I'm hoping someone from the UK could weigh in on this. "ma'am" and "mum" are pronounced exactly the same? Or can people from the UK hear a nuanced difference between the two?
kalkamel
Master Member
ma'am - Definition and pronunciation | Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com
In the UK, 'Ma'am' as in 'palm' is normally used when addressing the Queen or senior female army/police officers.
In the UK, 'Ma'am' as in 'palm' is normally used when addressing the Queen or senior female army/police officers.
Really? I thought it was much more interesting than Quantum of Solace. Much more interesting villain don't you think?
nah, i thought :-
- the girls were bland, nowhere near as pretty as past ones (Eva, phwarr)
- the baddie was just so cliched it was like an amalgam of all the bad OTT bond villians from the 80s etc
- the one-liner "jokes" were awful, and one of the things i hated about the pre-CR films (the only one i did like was the "it's a new thing from Q division. it's called a radio" quip)
- the whole plot seemed ill thought-out, regarding the "i'm going to release more names each week" ~ why? what was that point all about?
- M didn't seem surprised when he turned up - i didn't get that at all, it was like a sting op to put the baddies off guard or something, but that was nothing to do w/ the plot.
QoS wasn't as good as CS, but this wasn't as good as QoS, i felt.
- the girls were bland, nowhere near as pretty as past ones (Eva, phwarr)
- the baddie was just so cliched it was like an amalgam of all the bad OTT bond villians from the 80s etc
- the one-liner "jokes" were awful, and one of the things i hated about the pre-CR films (the only one i did like was the "it's a new thing from Q division. it's called a radio" quip)
- the whole plot seemed ill thought-out, regarding the "i'm going to release more names each week" ~ why? what was that point all about?
- M didn't seem surprised when he turned up - i didn't get that at all, it was like a sting op to put the baddies off guard or something, but that was nothing to do w/ the plot.
QoS wasn't as good as CS, but this wasn't as good as QoS, i felt.
Well, in terms of blandness for the women, one women turns out to be Moneypenny so she'll be back in the next one. The other gets murdered. That's kind of different isn't it?
In terms of the bad guy being cliched? I understand what you mean but I think they did an excellent job explaining where his villainous motivations came from, also he was clearly psychopathic and the writing seemed to want to show that he had been specifically planning his revenge against, M, MI6, and even England. Even the contempt of his character to commit the murder of M disguised as a police officer went a long way for me to show his character's contempt. I thought the one liners were in good taste and releasing of the NATO agents names slowly seemed to gel with Silva's planned approach of confusing MI6 and at the same time extending the chaos.
In terms of the bad guy being cliched? I understand what you mean but I think they did an excellent job explaining where his villainous motivations came from, also he was clearly psychopathic and the writing seemed to want to show that he had been specifically planning his revenge against, M, MI6, and even England. Even the contempt of his character to commit the murder of M disguised as a police officer went a long way for me to show his character's contempt. I thought the one liners were in good taste and releasing of the NATO agents names slowly seemed to gel with Silva's planned approach of confusing MI6 and at the same time extending the chaos.
yeah, and i don't want to see her again, frankly, but there y'go - typical!
different? Miss Fields - killed, in oil. Vespa - killed, by her own hand. that one i felt, as you'd grown to know her through the film and she was a great character. This girl, i simply didn't care. it seemed a typical "let's make the baddie callously and casually off a female to show how bad he is" - but Greene did that in QoS when he basically just gave his lover up to that loopy general, etc etc.
as for Silva, how come he went all out shooting up the hearing room, then suddenly at the end turned all weepy and wanted to divorce himself from the killing of M? it just jarred.
i thought the "i got into deep water" stuff was lame beyond belief, and most of the one-liners were on that level.
there were good points though - the photography was awesome, especially in Hong Kong, and some of the fights (like Bond taking out all the guards after the girl was shot) were great, though i still think they didn't compare w/ the staircase fight in CR, or the opening building site chase/fight.
and the DB5 made no sense whatsoever. i take it it was supposed to be one of many produced (the one in Goldfinger was trashed as i recall) but how did JB end up w/ it? did Q Div just miss that on their stocktaking some time?
and : depleted uranium PISTOL bullets?! is that even possible? and never mind the shrapnel in him, let's just reiterate that uranium point!!
i dunno : after all the mad hype, i was just expecting so much more.
different? Miss Fields - killed, in oil. Vespa - killed, by her own hand. that one i felt, as you'd grown to know her through the film and she was a great character. This girl, i simply didn't care. it seemed a typical "let's make the baddie callously and casually off a female to show how bad he is" - but Greene did that in QoS when he basically just gave his lover up to that loopy general, etc etc.
as for Silva, how come he went all out shooting up the hearing room, then suddenly at the end turned all weepy and wanted to divorce himself from the killing of M? it just jarred.
i thought the "i got into deep water" stuff was lame beyond belief, and most of the one-liners were on that level.
there were good points though - the photography was awesome, especially in Hong Kong, and some of the fights (like Bond taking out all the guards after the girl was shot) were great, though i still think they didn't compare w/ the staircase fight in CR, or the opening building site chase/fight.
and the DB5 made no sense whatsoever. i take it it was supposed to be one of many produced (the one in Goldfinger was trashed as i recall) but how did JB end up w/ it? did Q Div just miss that on their stocktaking some time?
and : depleted uranium PISTOL bullets?! is that even possible? and never mind the shrapnel in him, let's just reiterate that uranium point!!
i dunno : after all the mad hype, i was just expecting so much more.
Dave Ward
Sr Member
Actually, my one concern was the reset back to UE/Moneypenny/Q etc. Then again, I didn't think the young Q would work, and he was a highlight of the movie, so maybe it will be just fine in the next movie. But I would much rather see a bad-quantum style movie than a bad moore-era style movie, if you know what I mean.
