Interesting article on new xbox

I was just wondering whether this was a new or relatively new experience for you. Everybody has had the experience of getting very invested in something, then their expectations not being met for its continuance; when you have less context for that it's easier to get really passionate. Certainly in my past I've flown off the handle badly over some of those things. (I am looking at you too here Wes, you NOT old man, grumpy or otherwise.) :lol

I choose not to do that any more for the most part unless it's a serious social issue or that sort of thing but I get the reaction. I'm not playing an old-guy, shut-up-whippersnappers card here by the way, just honestly curious. You guys seem a bit, I guess, outraged? OK, DBS has gone to great lengths to say he's not but he's only making it worse for himself. :lol (I KEED!!!)
 
cboath said:
People are comparing game system to game system. Guess what - it's not a valid comparison. It's Game system to game system/media center computer. Some may not care about that distinction, but I guarantee you, for the PS4 to do all the same things, it'd have to raise it's price a minimum of 100 too.
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Wait... WHAT???

Are you that much of a fan boy that you don't realise that even the PS3 was a "game system/media center computer."

Surf the web, watch netflix, etc.etc.

What is the Xbone offering that is new? Other than "loading games in the cloud". Is there also a mind-link device or something I don't know about?

Cause the only difference is you have to pay out the nose for xbox live and have to have a constant internet connection. That is the difference.

One could as easily say that it's more of a comparison of a game system/media center computer VS. a game system/media center computer/cloud service/eavesdropping machine.

Sorry... HAD TO! :p
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Nwerke said:
I was just wondering whether this was a new or relatively new experience for you. Everybody has had the experience of getting very invested in something, then their expectations not being met for its continuance; when you have less context for that it's easier to get really passionate. Certainly in my past I've flown off the handle badly over some of those things. (I am looking at you too here Wes, you NOT old man, grumpy or otherwise.) :lol

I choose not to do that any more for the most part unless it's a serious social issue or that sort of thing but I get the reaction. I'm not playing an old-guy, shut-up-whippersnappers card here by the way, just honestly curious. You guys seem a bit, I guess, outraged? OK, DBS has gone to great lengths to say he's not but he's only making it worse for himself. :lol (I KEED!!!)
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That's about where I come out. For me, two things did it. First, changes in filmmaking (and television) in general. The kinds of movies being made today really aren't anything that interests me. And shows that I've dearly loved have been canceled while other less worthy (in my opinion) shows continued. Second, the Star Wars franchise. Up until 1999, I was HEAVILY invested in the franchise as a whole. I read the comics, collected the old toys, played most of the video games, read the EU novels, and of course watched the trilogy obsessively. When the PT was wrapped up, it happened at a time when the franchise was shifting focus. Jedi were the focus now, the prequel era (including the Clone Wars -- which was a disappointment to me as well) was focused on at the expense of the OT era, and all the product was moving in a direction I didn't want or like.

That REALLY bothered me, and I too felt a sense of betrayal by a franchise that I was heavily invested in on an emotional level. Lucas had BETRAYED me, and I was ANGRY. After a while, though, I just kinda let go of the anger. As a result, I find myself far less likely to get emotionally invested with products anymore. Certainly when it comes to the continuation of a given product. It might irritate me, but the good news is that in a situation like this there really ARE alternatives which are very similar to what you want. With the decrease in exclusive game arrangements (or rather the increase in cross-platform titles), there's just a lot less of a need to get bent out of shape when either of the console makers doesn't put out a new product that you like. No problem. You just switch to the other.

But, all that said, if I hadn't gone through the experience I did with the Star Wars franchise, I'd probably be a LOT more pissed about other changes to product lines or franchises that I've enjoyed.
 
OK Solo, bring it in... Give me a hug... I feel your pain on all of that.

I've got a good twist on this whole thing... I recently bought Ninja Gaiden sigma for PS3 it was like 5 dollars in a bargain bin... I LOVED the original on the xbox... er...1... THE FIRST DAMN XBOX, whatever the hell you wanna call it!!!

So anyway, I always heard the changes in graphics were superb and new playable character etc.

BUT it is missing some key things that made the original great. Somehow the water and effects therein aren't as good as the original (maybe because of it being in HD) but they took out some of the streams etc where when you first saw it the graphics were mindblowing... the extra levels are **** and so is the new character... So KUDOS to microsoft for putting out such a kickass game 10 years ago! LOL!

What happened to the magic? WHAT HAPPENED? It's not because I'm older and chrotchety... movies and games are not the artistic canvas they once were.

It's all about #'s. It's all about cranking out the hot flashy loud thing, cashing in and cranking out the next thing.

Back on topic...

Solo4114 said:
That's about where I come out. For me, two things did it. First, changes in filmmaking (and television) in general. The kinds of movies being made today really aren't anything that interests me. And shows that I've dearly loved have been canceled while other less worthy (in my opinion) shows continued. Second, the Star Wars franchise. Up until 1999, I was HEAVILY invested in the franchise as a whole. I read the comics, collected the old toys, played most of the video games, read the EU novels, and of course watched the trilogy obsessively. When the PT was wrapped up, it happened at a time when the franchise was shifting focus. Jedi were the focus now, the prequel era (including the Clone Wars -- which was a disappointment to me as well) was focused on at the expense of the OT era, and all the product was moving in a direction I didn't want or like.

That REALLY bothered me, and I too felt a sense of betrayal by a franchise that I was heavily invested in on an emotional level. Lucas had BETRAYED me, and I was ANGRY. After a while, though, I just kinda let go of the anger. As a result, I find myself far less likely to get emotionally invested with products anymore. Certainly when it comes to the continuation of a given product. It might irritate me, but the good news is that in a situation like this there really ARE alternatives which are very similar to what you want. With the decrease in exclusive game arrangements (or rather the increase in cross-platform titles), there's just a lot less of a need to get bent out of shape when either of the console makers doesn't put out a new product that you like. No problem. You just switch to the other.

But, all that said, if I hadn't gone through the experience I did with the Star Wars franchise, I'd probably be a LOT more pissed about other changes to product lines or franchises that I've enjoyed.
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No worries, man. :) I know how you feel. The sad fact is that you just can't guarantee that you'll always be the target demographic for a company. You can rage about it, but you might as well go spit in the ocean for all the good it'll do you. All you can really do is vote with your wallet (and/or your feet) and hope for the best. That and remember that it's just business, not personal.

Anyway, I guess we'll see how this all shakes out. I think MS will walk some of this stuff back, or at least tweak it over time. I don't think this approach to DRM -- streaming with some kind of verification -- is going away, though. It won't happen overnight, but I just think that the content creators have such an interest in retaining as much control over the product as possible that they'll prefer doing it this way. Why let people download stuff from iTunes when you can stream it to them on Spotify? Sure, someone will figure out a way to hack that and download the songs for free, but that just leads to a running encryption/decryption battle, rather than trying to figure out how to put the toothpaste back in the tube once it's out.
 
Kinect definitely didn't help their cause. That raised the price and I heard a rumor that it couldn't recognize darker skinned people if there was also black furniture in a room?? Is there any truth to that?
 
I find it unlikely given the demo videos shown. It recognizes you by shape as much as, if not more than, color or tone.
 
That was an issue when kinect was first release 2-3 years ago. It was subsequently fixed with an update.

Something users need to keep in mind though, is that for a camera to see your movement, it has to see you (unless it's a thermal camera :) ). Stick a light skinned person in a dim room (or with a similar colored background behind them) and you've likely got the same problem. The camera and OS do have to be able to isolate the person.

I'm with Solo, though, on the internet connection thing. No doubt it sucks to those directly affected. Best thing you can do is vote with your wallet.

The price, frankly, should be a non-issue. The PS3 and 360 each debuted at 599/499 respectively 8 years ago. 499 for the 360 8 years ago is more than 499 for the xb1 today. New tech = pricier production. It's how it goes.

As I read it, used games won't be restricted at all unless the publisher opts to do so. They're the ones who asked for the ability and MS gave it to them.

As someone noted, most people have boxes that do most of these functions. That's probably true. However, in a rare good explanation from MS these days, they said one of the concepts behind the xb1 is integrating that into one device. You should able to watch/record tv throught the xb for example. Watch a football game and overlay constantly updated stats or put them in a bar on the side of the screen - things the ps4 can't do. Things like that. I like the concept, but i'll wait to hear how it behaves in the wild first before believing it.

I know i can use the PS3 for netflix (don't recall hulu, but it doesn't mean it's not there) and i can stream through my home network - though that's been a PITA frankly. But it doesn't handle TV watching/recording/stats/etc and the integration MS is going for.

If you're after a console, and all you care about is the console, i'll agree easily PS4 seems the way to go.

It absolutely sucks for 360 users/fans in non-broadband scenarios that they can't get an xb1.

I am no fan of DRM. My choice would be the gaming aspect of the xb1 falls flat on it's face for all publishers who enable it. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening. If the xb1 has even modest success with it's DRM, you're likely to see it in the PS5, if not an update to the PS4 because the hardware is there for Sony to enable it if they want to.
 
100% agree with this entire post.

They will have to do some PR cleanup via walk it back a step or 2 on some of this stuff. Or at the very least... Make it SOUND better FFS!

Like: "streaming tech is the future! Look how much further we can push the graphics because of this!"

Instead of: "you will assimilate or SUCK IT."

Solo4114 said:
No worries, man. :) I know how you feel. The sad fact is that you just can't guarantee that you'll always be the target demographic for a company. You can rage about it, but you might as well go spit in the ocean for all the good it'll do you. All you can really do is vote with your wallet (and/or your feet) and hope for the best. That and remember that it's just business, not personal.

Anyway, I guess we'll see how this all shakes out. I think MS will walk some of this stuff back, or at least tweak it over time. I don't think this approach to DRM -- streaming with some kind of verification -- is going away, though. It won't happen overnight, but I just think that the content creators have such an interest in retaining as much control over the product as possible that they'll prefer doing it this way. Why let people download stuff from iTunes when you can stream it to them on Spotify? Sure, someone will figure out a way to hack that and download the songs for free, but that just leads to a running encryption/decryption battle, rather than trying to figure out how to put the toothpaste back in the tube once it's out.
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Yep. I agree. They could be emphasizing other advantages of streaming, or make it more advantageous for people. Give them an incentive to WANT streaming rather than just to say "It's the future. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." Come on, guys. SELL me this product. Make me want it. Make it relevant. Make it APPEALING.

I mean, I accept that streaming is the future, because...um...it is. But that's more just blase acceptance rather than enthusiasm. So far, aside from subscription services like Netflix/Amazon Prime/Spotify Pay, I see no reason to LIKE streaming, but rather just to ACCEPT it. What I like about the subscription services I pay for is that they give me access to a TON of stuff, most of which I like, all for a single monthly rate. That doesn't seem to be MS' approach, though, so far. It's not like they're letting you play the entire X360 back catalog for subscribing to Live Gold on the XB1.

The problem with all of this has been that the entire focus on streaming/check-in aspects of the console has been one of restriction or limitation, rather than benefits. The entire focus of the product has been on its limitations rather than its benefits, and its benefits haven't sold themselves or overshadowed the limitations. There's been no attempt to convey why you'd WANT to have the console always online. Where is the BENEFIT in doing that? How does having an always-online console make your life better in a way that you'd want to set aside your X360 or PS3 and get this new device? They haven't done a good job of selling any of this stuff. All we're hearing about, all people are talking about, is what the XB1 CAN'T do, or won't LET you do, not what it CAN do that you WANT.
 
I wish I could have seen the meetings involving what to do, especially those who were insistent on keeping the DRM features.
 
Even with the DRM change you got the mandatory kinnect, the internet crap, the always on camera/mic setup. It still has issues.
 
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