Interesting article on new xbox

It obviously aimed at the demographic that does NOT pay the power bills because having a third device turned on in addition to the TV and the cable box/satellite receiver makes no sense to me. What is gained other than having a green grid and no doubt Microsoft placed advertising on the grid.
 
The Internet Reacts Hilariously To The Xbox One Event

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Wow so far this sounds exactly what they tell you not to do in marketing classes. :lol

Sony has to be paying attention to this. They could easily steal a decent amount of 360 owners if they do the exact opposite.

I don't think sony even has to try, everyone's migrating on their own. The msn poll had 40% for ps4 some for the pc, some for cell phones, some for the xbox yet it got beat by the wiiu.
 
What I don't get is that the game is installed from the disc into the hard drive of the system. Now they're using blu ray discs so that's gonna be a lot of memory, like around 30GB I thought I heard. Now the system itself only has a 500GB hard drive and you CAN'T upgrade it. So what, you have to delete game installs off the HD in order to make room for the newer games?

I'll always take my Xbox over my PS3, I just prefer the system. That being said, MS dropped the ball hardcore. If they're not using this criticism from the announcement to fix some **** with the new system, I'll be supremely disappointed.
 
Fail box once more..you think they would want to change their nickname to better this time around. I dont anyone that is getting this system now. Not even the hardcore halo gang is in for it.
 
“The bits are on your hard drive,” Microsoft’s Phil Harris told Eurogamer. “At the end of the play session, when I take my disc home – or even if I leave it with you – if you want to continue to play that game [on your profile] then you have to pay for it. The bits are already on your hard drive, so it’s just a question of going to our [online] store and buying the game, and then it’s instantly available to play.”

I have a PC and a Mac so if I have to stick with a system of game management like that, I'll go with Steam thank you.
 
I can hear the stampede of people rushing to Sony's side even now. They did everything possible to alienate the gamers by trying to make this thing into something that Apple would sell.
 
I have a friend that works over at XBOX. While he cannot share anything with me, he did say that this was the initial tip of the iceberg to introduce the system and what it's about.

They're saving the meat and potatoes for E3 to show what this sucker will do for gaming because they wanted to drive the major gaming points for that event.

So what it sounds like right now is that we haven't even begun to know everything there is to know about this system. I say wait until after E3 to form conclusive opinions.

In terms of backwards compatibility, because of what the system is supposed to accommodate with brand new architecture and power, It would have made the consoles a lot more expensive to include and initial developments were very problematic.

I don't have too much an issue with backwards compatibility. I already have a 360, so why be angry about having to use that for 360 games? Same with NES, SNES, N64... They're different systems and built to accommodate those games (Wii of course made it possible to buy the classics again in order to play them on the system).

It sounds like a pretty cool system so far and I'm going to wait and see what they announce at E3 that is yet to be revealed.
 
As a gaming system, while we don't know much about it, what we've heard thus far doesn't thrill me. I mostly play used games because (A) they're cheaper, and (B) I have no real desire to pay +$50 for games when I end up not being that impressed by them. For example, if I'd bought Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood for $40, I'd be pissed. I got it for $10, though, so I feel I got my money's worth. Until companies start reliably making games I know I'm gonna love without having to wait for ages and reviews and THEN for the "shine" to wear off and people to give REAL reviews, I probably just won't buy that many games...which leaves me wondering why I would bother with it.

I've already got a 360 and it does pretty much everything I need. If the 360 ends up having support dropped, I can just use other devices to stream content. So, really, what's the X1 have to offer me at the moment? Not a ton, if it can't give me what I want gaming-wise. Maybe E3 will convince me, but, frankly, the "potential" of Kinect has yet to be used much in games that I might like, and outside of that...it's just razzle dazzle graphics improvements, no? The games themselves will be the telling point for me, and we won't really know that for a while because there won't be tons of launch titles. It takes time to build up the game catalog for these systems, so for me, it's not really looking like it's worth paying for right now.
 
No old headsets huh? They sure know how to make people not want to buy their stuff.

"Oh, and those fancy TV functions that are so integral to the system?" how about the Skype function? My smart tv already does that! It's not a next gen gaming platform, it's a money pit. Drop your money into it and.... well nothing. GOOD TIMES!

I like the voice recognition stuff as well.

That is pretty old though. The original Rainbow Six: vegas for the 360 supports voice commands, so you can order your AI buddies to do stuff using the headset. The headsets came with the console for free so everyone had one. Then when the kinect comes along and all of the sudden voice commands are "cool", only you need to have a kinect. What is wrong with the headset all of the sudden? :facepalm

What I don't get is that the game is installed from the disc into the hard drive of the system. Now they're using blu ray discs so that's gonna be a lot of memory, like around 30GB I thought I heard. Now the system itself only has a 500GB hard drive and you CAN'T upgrade it. So what, you have to delete game installs off the HD in order to make room for the newer games?

Even worse... blurays are up to 50GB and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how many 50GB games your can store on the 500GB harddrive. I said to a friend of mine last year when we were chatting about "next-gen" that the new Xbox would have to have at least 1 to 2 TB discspace since games are getting so much bigger and bigger.

I can hear the stampede of people rushing to Sony's side even now. They did everything possible to alienate the gamers by trying to make this thing into something that Apple would sell.

Indeed, I have the Xbox one... the REAL Xbox one, the one that came out in 2001(WTF microsoft, seriously, that name!:facepalm) and the 360, never wanted the Playstation, picked Nintendo 64 over that, same with PS2 picking GameCube, which they stopped releasing games for, so I went with Xbox. 360 was a easy pick over PS3 and now it seems a polished turd would even be a better pick over the xbox one since a lot of it's functions my samsung tv already does. Good job M$! :lol

so why be angry about having to use that for 360 games?

Because they didn't deliver on the promise they made in 2005, that ALL 360 games would support HD-res AND antialiasing x2 at least. Playing for example an SD game like Halo 3 in full 1080p with AA would be real nice. Like how we are able to play Halo 2(xbox version) on the 360 in 720p. You buy one console with games from two consoles, that's win-win for everyone.
 
What I don't get is that the game is installed from the disc into the hard drive of the system. Now they're using blu ray discs so that's gonna be a lot of memory, like around 30GB I thought I heard. Now the system itself only has a 500GB hard drive and you CAN'T upgrade it. So what, you have to delete game installs off the HD in order to make room for the newer games?
It does support external storage through USB, but I'm not sure if you'll be able to attach any ol' HDD to it or if you'll need to buy them from Microsoft. Wouldn't surprise me to see them force the latter, since that's what they did with the X360.. the hard drives had custom firmware that prevented normal store-bought drives (which cost 1/4 as much) from working.

Re: Friend at Microsoft
Well, tell your buddy to tell his bosses that they ****ed it up. You don't announce hardware by completely avoiding discussion about its primary function. Whoever thought that was a good idea is an idiot. A complete and total moron who doesn't deserve to work in any marketing department trying to do anything more complicated than selling pancakes at IHOP.

If Microsoft is not in full damage-control mode right now, then they obviously don't acknowledge, or even care, about what their prospective customers are thinking about their product. That is NOT how you market something. Because all people are talking about right now is how much their product sucks.. they have already caused possibly irreparable damage to the system's reputation, long before it even launches.

E3 isn't going to be a "make or break" scenario for them.. I don't think there's a "make" left for them. The absolute best they can hope for at this point is to come up even with Sony, to show enough awesome gameplay at E3 that will make people think the system is at least on par with their competitor. But that itself is going to be a problem, because the PS4 is more powerful, and by a not-insignificant amount. And Sony knows it. All Microsoft has to do is stick with the guns they've used in the last few years... they can't reasonably show that the system itself is better for gaming, so they're going to have to stick with how it's different from its competitors, by doing what they've been doing... concentrating on Kinect. If that happens, this console war is over before it even begins. And the hilarious part is that MS won't understand why.
 
I don't even care about backwards compatibility, I'm done with the 360 games that are out and the only thing I want is next-gen, I care about the used game thing, that pisses me off. They're going to take out Gamestop and Gamefly in one swoop, it's ridiculous.
 
In terms of backwards compatibility, because of what the system is supposed to accommodate with brand new architecture and power, It would have made the consoles a lot more expensive to include and initial developments were very problematic.


That's one of the main points I call BS on (from MS not you). My PC will play any game from 20+ years ago and the PC has gone through all kinds of chip architecture changes. In this case we're only talking about one generation change from the 360 to the new version.

Yeah you can just keep your 360 (if it doesn't burn out again........), but it would be easier to have one device by your TV that will play both.
 
"Oh, and those fancy TV functions that are so integral to the system?" how about the Skype function? My smart tv already does that! It's not a next gen gaming platform, it's a money pit. Drop your money into it and.... well nothing. GOOD TIMES!

Yah, but, like I said, you aren't the target market. Or at least, not the PRIMARY target market. Not anymore. That's the thing that I think gamers are really reacting to: MS isn't really selling to them anymore.




Well, tell your buddy to tell his bosses that they ****ed it up. You don't announce hardware by completely avoiding discussion about its primary function.

Who says they DIDN'T announce and discuss its primary function? Again, I think this is the real issue: the Xbox One is not a gaming platform. It's a multimedia platform that happens to be able to do games, too. It's Microsoft's version of the Roku and AppleTV, and it does more than them. THAT'S who MS is competing with now. And it's the market for those things that MS wants.

Gamers are a secondary concern, it seems.

If Microsoft is not in full damage-control mode right now, then they obviously don't acknowledge, or even care, about what their prospective customers are thinking about their product. That is NOT how you market something. Because all people are talking about right now is how much their product sucks.. they have already caused possibly irreparable damage to the system's reputation, long before it even launches.

To gamers? Sure. To people who want a multimedia platform that can also play games? Probably this is great news.

E3 isn't going to be a "make or break" scenario for them.. I don't think there's a "make" left for them. The absolute best they can hope for at this point is to come up even with Sony, to show enough awesome gameplay at E3 that will make people think the system is at least on par with their competitor. But that itself is going to be a problem, because the PS4 is more powerful, and by a not-insignificant amount. And Sony knows it. All Microsoft has to do is stick with the guns they've used in the last few years... they can't reasonably show that the system itself is better for gaming, so they're going to have to stick with how it's different from its competitors, by doing what they've been doing... concentrating on Kinect. If that happens, this console war is over before it even begins. And the hilarious part is that MS won't understand why.

You assume they're actually fighting the console war, though.

I don't think they are. I think they're saying they don't CARE about the console war. They care about the multimedia streaming war. Gaming is an additional feature, NOT the centerpiece.



I agree with you that they're basically giving up the fight against Sony for pure gaming consoles that maybe can also do some other ancillary functions. But I don't really think that's what MS is gunning for. I think they're positioning themselves along the lines of Amazon and Apple. I think they want to be general entertainment content distributors via streaming services. I think they want to set their hardware platform up as a place where you, as a content developer, can deliver a product that will not only reach people in their homes via the Xbox One, but in their pockets via Win8 Phone, and their laptops and tablets via Win8. It'll still be able to do gaming, but the gaming isn't the sole focus.

From what it sounds like, MS is thinking 20 years down the road. Sony is thinking 15 years in the past. Sony is still focusing on how to get you the biggest, baddest, toughest, most system-stressing games. MS is focusing on how to become the next Comcast and Verizon, all rolled into one. This device is their opening shot in THAT war.
 
MS is trying to compete with Apple for the hipster and teenager market. As long as Sony gives me what I want i'll go with them and if they fail i'll go with Nintendo and if that fails i got my old systems.
 
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