Interesting article on new xbox

I don't know...I pre-ordered Battlefield 4....But I'm not sure about this X box 1...

I'm not really using my X-box for mutlimedia anyways.
 
We don't have wifi at the house so this thing better have a ethernet port of some sort. I'm waiting for them to stop putting them in assuming everyone in the world has high speed wireless.
 
:lol That was hilarious. I totally agree with Lord Boron too. They have a real chance to seize the day here. I think they will. After all these years PSN is still free. You can opt to pay for a premium membership for more features if that's what you want. I've never had a problem with PSN... (except for the whole hacking thing but that was handled very well IMO).

I have a feeling you're going to be surprised when Sony announces PSN won't be free anymore. A lot of games press guys seem to think the wind is blowing that way. You know sony has to be looking at the mountains of money MS makes from live memberships and drooling.
 
That's been a rumor since the PS2 days. I just don't think it's going to happen. That's an edge they shouldn't give up.

I completely agree with this, and one of the reasons that if I even get into the new generation, Ill be going with PS4. They also said X1 isnt backwards compatible, none of the 360 hardware will work, and the used game thing pisses me right the hell off. Talk about bleak. Ugh. I think this heralds the end of an era where Im not going to play video games anymore. Well, I still have my ps3 but I meant "current gen" stuff.
 
Yeah, but realistically, is that such an awful thing? I mean, current gen means what, exactly? The latest COD game? The latest Battlefield game? Trust me. You ALREADY played those. J ust not with quite the razzle dazzle graphics. Gameplay wise, it'll all likely be basically the same thing.
 
Some PS3's are backwards compatible. Also Sony offers all their old games from PS1 and 2 from their online store and they're cheap.
 
I completely agree with this, and one of the reasons that if I even get into the new generation, Ill be going with PS4. They also said X1 isnt backwards compatible, none of the 360 hardware will work, and the used game thing pisses me right the hell off. Talk about bleak. Ugh. I think this heralds the end of an era where Im not going to play video games anymore. Well, I still have my ps3 but I meant "current gen" stuff.

What used game thing? Article I read last night said MS confirmed you can use used games.
 
Some PS3's are backwards compatible. Also Sony offers all their old games from PS1 and 2 from their online store and they're cheap.

Not gonna buy something I already have. I know I may be in the minority but when Sony did that they lost my business. XBOX now wants to do the same.

I'm getting to old for video games anyway I suppose.
 
Some PS3's are backwards compatible. Also Sony offers SOME OF their old games from PS1 and 2 from their online store and they're cheap.

Fixed that for you.

Not that I'm crapping on Sony. I have a ps3 and a 360. They both have their place in my living room. One plays games, the other plays movies and streams media. There are exceptions, but this is just about how it shakes out for me.
 
Good article here about how taking a game to friends house will work.
Xbox One game sales and used game policies: What we know

Well this sucks:

Once installed, games are registered and tied to a user’s Xbox Live account. They can be played only by that user and other users in his or her household. If a gamer wants to take that disc to a friend’s house and play that game on someone else’s console, he or she will have to log into Xbox Live on the other person’s console.

As the game is played on the new console, it will be installed on the hard drive and will remain installed after the game owner logs out and leaves. If the owner of that console wants to continue playing the game, he or she will be prompted to purchase it online at full retail.

“The bits are on your hard drive,” Microsoft’s Phil Harris told Eurogamer. “At the end of the play session, when I take my disc home – or even if I leave it with you – if you want to continue to play that game [on your profile] then you have to pay for it. The bits are already on your hard drive, so it’s just a question of going to our [online] store and buying the game, and then it’s instantly available to play.”​

So, basically my friends/brother and I cannot lend each other games?!?! Just... wow. :facepalm


RANT:
Not directly X1 related, but I've been concerned with the direction MS software is taking - a direction that is wholly in the best interest of Microsoft and not of the end user. Just take a look at one of Microsoft's most profitable software offerings, Office. This year they raised the price of single-licence Office by up to 17% and eliminated multi-licence packages - no doubt, trying to force users to use their $99/year Office 365 subscription service. I used to be able to purchase a 3-pack Family Home and Student Office licence here in Canada for $160 - now, if I need to do the same thing it'd cost me $420. Which is crazy.

I'm not sure what this means for the X1 ecosystem, but as a Microsoft customer, I don't feel that they are trying to create much loyalty within their existing customer base let alone any future prospects.

Our family has all 3 'current' gen consoles (360, PS3... Wii) and I don't doubt that we'll get these next-gens as well. It's just that this type of development is concerning and quite telling of the primary and overwhelming priority of companies.

Not to mention, this always-on watching and listening Kinect 2 thing is a bit scary.
 
I'm telling you, the X1 isn't really "for" gamers, I think. It is, in my estimation, a transitional step towards MS becoming a provider of streaming content only. In the next 10 years or so, I'd bet that MS completely abandons disc-based gaming and moves strictly towards streaming-to-hard-drive-based gaming a la Steam, alongside a whole slew of other streaming options.

Streaming is the future, folks. It's the future because it's harder (not impossible, but harder for now) to pirate, and it gives rights-holders the ability to constantly be negotiating and yoinking licenses. It becomes the purest version of how copyright law works in this country, without the messy ownership confusion that surrounds a physical copy. You no longer will "own" games. You'll "license" games. Period. This means, yeah, you can't share them with other people because there won't be anything to share (well, unless you buy a digital copy FOR someone, again, a la Steam).


I think from MS' perspective, the "console" is no longer gonig to be a "console." At least not in the sense of "You play games on it, and it can do other stuff, too." It's ALL "other stuff" now and gaming is just a part of that. Or at least, that seems to be the goal. They've been moving in this direction for a number of years.


I think MS' target market is....well....nobody here. They don't care about hardcore gamers. Or at least, they don't care ENOUGH about them to design the system around them. They don't care about video/audiophiles, either. They know those people already have Viera plasma sets and blu-ray players and 9.2 THX certified surround sound systems, all of which can surf the internet, get Spotify, Pandora, Netflix, Amazon Prime, yadda, yadda, and yadda services.

They're shooting for families who want a one-stop-shopping easy-to-use entertainment center. The kids can play games, watch movies, skype with Grandma, and the like. In this sense, I'd say MS is moving their console products more into competition with things like Apple's iPad and AppleTV than with Sony's PS4. This is not the evolution of the Atari 2600. It's the evolution of the VCR.
 
For what it's worth, microsoft makes a boat load of money on peripherals. They were never going to forego the chance to make you buy new controllers (neither is Sony, you'll notice).

I thought the new kinect stuff was interesting, it looks like it might finally work as well as it should have originally. I like the voice recognition stuff as well. There are five of us in my house with Xbox profiles. Having it recognize my voice so I can skip a logon screen is damned nifty.

As far as backwards compatibility goes, the only console ever released in the US that had nearly 100% BC was the ps2. The ps3 had versions that were mostly backwards compatible, but in a money saving move they fazed that out. (Oh look at that, Sony made a business decision based on money. Must have been taking a page from M$ that day :rolleyes) My point is, it has never been a main concern of the companies pushing the new systems because they want you to BUY NEW STUFF. Hell, for a new ps3 owner that wants to play their old games, they have a limited selection on the psn store they can rebuy if they'd like. They understand that backwards compatibility is something that consumers want, but it will never outshine their desire for new and flashy, so they don't make it a priority. Thus, they'll never sacrifice moving their platform forward for the sake of being able to run old stuff. Were you really planning on throwing away your 360 the moment you got home with a new machine? You remember, the 360 you likely spent $300 on, plus controllers and wifi dongles and headphones? It doesn't turn into a pile of steaming refuse the moment a new machine shows up, you just turn it on when you want to play an old game. But OMG I have to turn on my old machine? It's so OLD. Ugh.
 
Were you really planning on throwing away your 360 the moment you got home with a new machine? You remember, the 360 you likely spent $300 on, plus controllers and wifi dongles and headphones? It doesn't turn into a pile of steaming refuse the moment a new machine shows up, you just turn it on when you want to play an old game. But OMG I have to turn on my old machine? It's so OLD. Ugh.

Not that it's garbage but honestly, ya, kind of. It's more about my having 20 million things hooked up to my TV and not having compatibility means that I have to have ANOTHER, and just for one or two games. At this point in my consumer life it's not worth it.

My 360 plays all of my old XBOX games (which I still play from time to time) so I'm a happy camper and sold my old XBOX long ago. It makes it more worth it for the 10 or so 360 games I have.

Don't get me wrong, I realize I'm no longer the target market for these consoles, nor should I be. I'm just saying the reason why I don't own a PS3 (borrowed one for the only exclusive game I cared about, MGS4) and the reason I'll pass on the XB1.
 
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I think if i go for new systems it's the wiiu just for zelda, mario, and metroid and a PS4 as it has less BS loaded to it and sony knows their target audience is the hard core gamers.
 
Apparently it uses a proprietary data port for the headset, meaning none of your existing headsets will work, and all future ones must be properly "licensed and authenticated" by Microsoft. Sounds like what Apple did with the Lightning connector in an attempt to foil third-party cable manufacturers by putting a custom chip into the connector.

Oh, and those fancy TV functions that are so integral to the system? It requires extra hardware that they didn't tell you about at the conference. That hardware includes a simple IR blaster that connects to the rear of the unit and is used to control your other devices to do things like change the channel. It does integrate anything.. it's a glorified, voice-activated, $400 remote control.

Solo4114 is definitely right about where MS's priorities are. The problem is that those aren't the priorities of their audience. People already have hardware that can do all of this stuff. Xbox is a game system. It plays games. It can do other stuff, too, but it's primary purpose is a game system. If they wanted to launch it as something else, they shouldn't have called it Xbox. You don't take the system's primary function and push it into a ten-minute demo at the end of the conference. It should have been the exact opposite.. games should have dominated the conference, and then they could have finished up with "Hey, check out all this OTHER stuff it can do!" and people would have been a hell of a lot more impressed.

Microsoft's biggest problem (in multiple products, including Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox) is that they actually believe their own marketing department's hype machine. They believe that, because they say it's the best, that it IS the best, and that everyone will want it. And then they're quite literally baffled by the negative reaction. I've heard their reaction yesterday was "shock" at the negative press and the fact that everyone wasn't tripping over their own tongues in an effort to extol the virtues of this amazing new piece of tech.

Speaking of tech... same amount of memory, but noticeably slower DDR3 memory. But, possibly offset by a on-die cache that could alleviate the issue and bring overall memory performance more or less in line with PS4. However, the PS4's graphics processor is 50% more powerful. They're going to have a hell of a time trying to get like-for-like performance, and early reports from developers seem to confirm this.. the difference in performance is much more noticeable this time than it was last time. With PS3/X360, most of the power difference was academic because of the wildly different architectures, and actual live performance was more or less on par. Not so this time.. they have almost the exact same hardware architecture as each other (which means porting between them will be a breeze compared to previous generations), but the PS4 has a lot more muscle.

For a "home entertainment center", that doesn't mean much. For a gaming machine, that's a big problem.
 
Wow so far this sounds exactly what they tell you not to do in marketing classes. :lol

Sony has to be paying attention to this. They could easily steal a decent amount of 360 owners if they do the exact opposite.
 
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