Ya'll are probably right, of course and who knows maybe the film had a few different models.There are parts of the film where it certainly looks bigger. The tape measure doesn't lie though
The app I used, Shapr3d, didn't have a good photogrammetry input method and one app that I used did output some pretty nonsensical estimates. My sizing admittedly was a bit less scientific. I met someone that went to the premiere, printed him 4 or 5 different sizes - and got his input from recollection and photos from his phone.I checked post 136 and compared those screencap measurements with my own fingers. Being 6‘2“ my hands are not huge but sure not small compared to an average male. I ended up with 5“, not 6“ for the sides lengths, which brings the total width closer to 8“ than 10“.
graffitilogic - did you set up that photo from the premiere in your 3D software so you are able to compare the rope post size to the dial? I would find it quite hard to estimate the distance between display box and rope post.
Your dial is beautiful, I hope to own one one day when I’ve done buying all the grail diariesThe app I used, Shapr3d, didn't have a good photogrammetry input method and one app that I used did output some pretty nonsensical estimates. My sizing admittedly was a bit less scientific. I met someone that went to the premiere, printed him 4 or 5 different sizes - and got his input from recollection and photos from his phone.
He felt like the 248mm x 284mm x 48.6mm build size more closely fit what he saw in the case.
After watching the movie and special features a few times, I've been building them at a ~240x210x41mm size basis and it definitely "feels" like a better size in relation to a common adult hand and more importantly the messenger bag.
I'd love it if a definitive size was settled upon by smart folk, though.
I think I have a biased favored theory here that it is a lot like the Grail, there were probably multiple sizes and multiple props. A hero prop and some stunt props. That bias is that the DisneyWorld prop is a little too small as compared to the stunt props and that the premiere pop is too large and probably only used in hero shots when the Dial was halved. The motorized, clear acryllic Dial was definitely smaller than the prop at the Premiere, which I assume was Wilkinson's hero prop.
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Around Halloween I pretty much switched over to the smaller build size. Coincidentally when I sent this 210mm resin build to the same person that attended the premiere he still felt it was smaller than the premiere display but right for the on-screen prop.
Apologies, I'm aware feelings aren't measurement!
When I settled on 210mm as a basis for the smaller / regular sized dial I based that on the average size of two german pocket-watch style compasses that I had and used the compass diameter to scale the rest.
I think the measurements of the Disney World prop earlier in the thread also support a smaller size but I think it may be a little small.
Thanks for the comprehensive explanation.The app I used, Shapr3d, didn't have a good photogrammetry input method and one app that I used did output some pretty nonsensical estimates. My sizing admittedly was a bit less scientific. I met someone that went to the premiere, printed him 4 or 5 different sizes - and got his input from recollection and photos from his phone.
He felt like the 248mm x 284mm x 48.6mm build size more closely fit what he saw in the case.
After watching the movie and special features a few times, I've been building them at a ~240x210x41mm size basis and it definitely "feels" like a better size in relation to a common adult hand and more importantly the messenger bag.
I'd love it if a definitive size was settled upon by smart folk, though.
I think I have a biased favored theory here that it is a lot like the Grail, there were probably multiple sizes and multiple props. A hero prop and some stunt props. That bias is that the DisneyWorld prop is a little too small as compared to the stunt props and that the premiere pop is too large and probably only used in hero shots when the Dial was halved. The motorized, clear acryllic Dial was definitely smaller than the prop at the Premiere, which I assume was Wilkinson's hero prop.
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Around Halloween I pretty much switched over to the smaller build size. Coincidentally when I sent this 210mm resin build to the same person that attended the premiere he still felt it was smaller than the premiere display but right for the on-screen prop.
Apologies, I'm aware feelings aren't measurement!
When I settled on 210mm as a basis for the smaller / regular sized dial I based that on the average size of two german pocket-watch style compasses that I had and used the compass diameter to scale the rest.
I think the measurements of the Disney World prop earlier in the thread also support a smaller size but I think it may be a little small.
I need one of these so bad.The app I used, Shapr3d, didn't have a good photogrammetry input method and one app that I used did output some pretty nonsensical estimates. My sizing admittedly was a bit less scientific. I met someone that went to the premiere, printed him 4 or 5 different sizes - and got his input from recollection and photos from his phone.
He felt like the 248mm x 284mm x 48.6mm build size more closely fit what he saw in the case.
After watching the movie and special features a few times, I've been building them at a ~240x210x41mm size basis and it definitely "feels" like a better size in relation to a common adult hand and more importantly the messenger bag.
I'd love it if a definitive size was settled upon by smart folk, though.
I think I have a biased favored theory here that it is a lot like the Grail, there were probably multiple sizes and multiple props. A hero prop and some stunt props. That bias is that the DisneyWorld prop is a little too small as compared to the stunt props and that the premiere pop is too large and probably only used in hero shots when the Dial was halved. The motorized, clear acryllic Dial was definitely smaller than the prop at the Premiere, which I assume was Wilkinson's hero prop.
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Around Halloween I pretty much switched over to the smaller build size. Coincidentally when I sent this 210mm resin build to the same person that attended the premiere he still felt it was smaller than the premiere display but right for the on-screen prop.
Apologies, I'm aware feelings aren't measurement!
When I settled on 210mm as a basis for the smaller / regular sized dial I based that on the average size of two german pocket-watch style compasses that I had and used the compass diameter to scale the rest.
I think the measurements of the Disney World prop earlier in the thread also support a smaller size but I think it may be a little small.
Looks like you were on an Ordinary Adventure.Thanks for the comprehensive explanation.
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I used this, where the hand is roughly at the same distance from the camera. On my hands (which seem to be pretty average) the distance between knuckle and first joint is like 5.5cm for index finder and 6cm for middle finger. Based on that and doing the same on the screencaps as well as the prop promo video the result is pretty consistent at 5" for the sides' lengths and a resulting good 9" for the height.
That would make the inner display height roughly 18" which also fits with my measurement of about 45cm from waist to roughly the position of the display upper egde meeting his chest. He is 4" or roughly 5% smaller than me.
Using his eye distance and comparing it to the height of the display, it would be a max. of 18" for the display height, with an 14" as a minimum and 16" for an average eye distance. 16" is also the number if I take an average head width of 6". That points to the dial not being (much) higher that 8".
Completely unscientific, but maybe someone can ask Peter to measure his eye distance or the width of those glasses.
I know that there's a "That's what she said" in here somewhere. I just can't put my finger on it.I found another pic of the full display on Getty (Costume props at the Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny U.S....).
The pic with Peter shows the whole display is about 55“ high (70“ minus 15“ for head, neck and upper chest).
You can do your own measurements, but that results in 8“ height for the dial.
8" has always been my understanding from what I have seen on this forum. Then again I don't know for sure and I'm 3 sheets to the wind. Lol.I know that there's a "That's what she said" in here somewhere. I just can't put my finger on it.
(sorry, focus.. )
Well, 8" from flat side to flat side would be pretty consistent with the Disney World prop (I think it was just a little under 8") and it would make sense that they received a spec when they got the commission for it.
Appreciate the revival of this topic, btw in hopes of a consensus on sizing.
I am still talking about the dialI know that there's a "That's what she said" in here somewhere. I just can't put my finger on it.
(sorry, focus.. )
Well, 8" from flat side to flat side would be pretty consistent with the Disney World prop (I think it was just a little under 8") and it would make sense that they received a spec when they got the commission for it.
Appreciate the revival of this topic, btw in hopes of a consensus on sizing.
I am in no hurry to get one, so I save some money and hope for a metal one to surface, even if the price is 4 digits.That is a cool prop. I love time-travel devices. But I fear a replica will be quite costly.
The paint job is very different depending on the scenes.There were more than one dial in the movie. The one from the Den of Destiny in Disneyland was smaller and had slightly different features, like different hands. The paintjob was different too. So my guess is there is a stunt dial and a close up and functional version like from the idol or the skull were back then.
A quick reminder its been revealed (I believe earlier in this very thread?) that the one from Disneyland was sculpted and built for Disneyland. Yes, there were likely different props for hero/stunt, but the one at Disney should not be used as reference for either.There were more than one dial in the movie. The one from the Den of Destiny in Disneyland was smaller and had slightly different features, like different hands. The paintjob was different too. So my guess is there is a stunt dial and a close up and functional version like from the idol or the skull were back then.
If it helps, I don't think the one in the film has this at all. It always appears white, even if bright lighting.I've been trying since Christmas to work with a mother of pearl veneer for that bottom disc.