Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
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The next promo-product release-wave date to watch would be in September whenever the Blu-Ray and Digital copies are released.
It hasn't been looking good. I keep occasionally popping in / asking around the usual spots checking for rumors on an official prop and keep getting disappointed by the rumors that do make it out. I don't think the cost-cutting at Disney is helping our cause any.
Not to be Debbie downer but if the 2022 Disney-released Skull, Grail, Idol and Voodoo props were aligned with the promotional budget of Indy 5, then I'm starting to wonder if they will ever release a Dial prop. Especially considering the whole break-even situation at the box office.
I'm sure the community will generate many awesome alternatives though.
On the fan-created front, I found another 3d Design project a few minutes ago: DIAL OF DESTINY - Prop Replicas, Custom Fabrication, SPECIAL EFFECTS - I'm not familiar but I like their vibes and sent them a (pre?)-order for the digital files to encourage the work.
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SheerHeartAttac
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I'm about to put a deposit down on an excellent fan-made one. Fan-made is typically better anyway.
The only Disney props that I felt they knocked it out of the park with was the Crystal Skull and the Staff of Ra Headpiece.
The only Disney props that I felt they knocked it out of the park with was the Crystal Skull and the Staff of Ra Headpiece.
GoldenArmor is a known re-caster from
What I recall in another thread. Wasn’t he banned from here?
GoldenArmor.com = Chaucer44 (banned recaster)
Hey guys, anyone over hear of Golden Armor .com? I just stumbled upon their site and would love to get a Loki mask from "The Mask" but their links aren't working and the email is no longer functional... Anyone know who runs the site or if their even reputable...? Or where I could find a...
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ReadyPlayer25
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He was but every so often he makes other accounts or renames his business. He's also very active in the Indy Facebook groups under his real name, Cristofer Adrian. I dont believe many realize hes a recaster. Even Adam Savage had to be warned not too long ago when he promoted one of this guys items in Tested. Now hes aware though.GoldenArmor is a known re-caster from
What I recall in another thread. Wasn’t he banned from here?
GoldenArmor.com = Chaucer44 (banned recaster)
Hey guys, anyone over hear of Golden Armor .com? I just stumbled upon their site and would love to get a Loki mask from "The Mask" but their links aren't working and the email is no longer functional... Anyone know who runs the site or if their even reputable...? Or where I could find a...
The even crazier part is the guy has a legit IMDB page that states he had some of his stuff used in the Mandalorian and a few Marvel flicks. Not sure how accurate that IMDB is but if it is, yikes.
Yes I’ve read and know all about him, one doesn’t make props without knowing who the known re-casters are to put them on a do-not-sell list (I.e. Laretrotienda or reelart, whom have both either shamelessly copied ideas I had or tried to purchase from me). I’ve had to block Cristofer Adrien since everytime I posted updates on my dial prop in some of the private Indy prop groups, he would often post immediately afterwards. I generally block most other prop makers in the private groups so they don’t use my props as references to make theirs. Someone on the COW forum did that back in April taking screenshots of my dial I had made in a private Facebook group (which I was the only one at the time who had made a fairly accurate version based off of the movie trailer) While I was able to get the admin to delete the posts with the screenshots in an earlier post in this same thread and also on the COW forum, though soon afterwards I saw their new designs which were very suspiciously derivative of mine, and the newer photos of the Hollywood studios one on display were yet to come out. I’d rather not take chances with copy cats, like the GoldenArmor guy. If he was smart he wouldn’t release the files for the dial he made, free or not.
Funny enough if you look at GoldenArmor’s Mask of Orellana and ReelArt’s version of it, they are oddly exactly identical. A recaster copying a recaster.
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Yuck, the internet never ceases to surprise as a fertile ground for drama. I hadn't even heard of the term re-caster before today, I probably still don't understand the implication. I guess as a matter of experience and open-source philosophy I'm pretty naive to most of this.
I just wanted a cool prop for a themed corner of the game room and bar, saw some indy and prop-making forums and started poking around. My observation looking for a Dial Prop based on a few Indy groups was that there was some interest but not alot of action. I like to make stuff. Stuff wasn't available from anyone else, so it was a good fit to give it a go. I really only needed "good enough for my eyes" for my own purposes. I think the fact that I had some decent 3d printed Indy-adjacent models that others had shared, it felt "right" to make something and share in return.
Ah, so THAT"s why you wanted it removed. I really didn't understand what you were getting at, at the time.
Let me explain:
I was on that COW thread and honestly just looking to buy one. Just throw money at it in order to fill the prop slot behind the bar and move onto another project. Someone (I think just trying to be helpful) answered my question looking for one and shared a screenshot of yours from a facebook group. I tried to join the facebook group because I just wanted to get on your order list.
Had the facebook group paid closer attention to new-member-requests or had you left the screenshots alone, the freebie files wouldn't even exist today. Crazy, right? I was in the process of trying to reach out to you for a preorder slot. But, since the screenshots were taken down, generating a scooby-doo mystery and I wasn't able to secure a slot:
Causality being, the one guy on the internet at that moment with a software-development mindset of open source collaboration and an Indy prop boner ended up designing and sharing the files with a naive hope that others would contribute to the project. (they didn't)
Inversely, Had I been able to get in contact with you to buy one of yours I would have happily moved onto the next prop for the basement or a dozen or so arcade PCB repairs stacking up.
Since the thread screenshots came down and my attempts to join the fb group were never answered. I saw your post over there about the takedown and it generally had a tone of "piss-off Indy people / I'm too busy for this crap" and I thought to myself "I wonder what that guy's problem is? Eh probably has more work than he can handle. Oh Well, I guess I've got to go make myself one, now. " so I started trying to model something myself from screenshots and a couple production-rumor DMs from folks that mostly ended up inaccurate. For instance, up until Father's day weekend, I still thought it was going to be an octagonal shape - because a leaker told me so and was full of crap.
Hmm.. the implication here is offensive. Just to shut this down before it starts. I also posted on that COW thread a similar stream-of-consciousness reasoning of trying to work out the details of the model and I screen-recorded the majority of the design sessions, which at times were a complete ****-show of me learning the app while trying to reason out aspects of the prop from natural constraints.
(Concentric circles encased in a box have emergent and natural constraints)
My work was done in full, open view for anyone to see, with timestamps.
Just so there is no confusion, if you are referring my posts of 3d print prototypes and iterations over there, you are mistaken to think they had anything to do with your super-top-secret screenshots. Well, with one exception: tone and protectionist in-group B.S. Because the only rumored Dial prop on the whole internet for sale was locked away behind a door I couldn't access and its reported creator took to the baffling effort to join a forum and take down references to it, then shut down any interested parties. I internalized this to mean "if you want it you'll have to make it." But your screenshots were not even considered in the design of my prop. Thanks for the motivation to learn some basic CAD skills though
Your work is your own and I recall it being quite fantastic, in fact my memory tells me you had more detail back then than I've been able to figure out even now having seen the film three times. But don't make the mistake of assuming two people can't look at screenshots and production rumors and independently iterate towards a common point. It really isn't that complicated. Its a clock-like mechanism in a funky box.
I just wanted a cool prop for a themed corner of the game room and bar, saw some indy and prop-making forums and started poking around. My observation looking for a Dial Prop based on a few Indy groups was that there was some interest but not alot of action. I like to make stuff. Stuff wasn't available from anyone else, so it was a good fit to give it a go. I really only needed "good enough for my eyes" for my own purposes. I think the fact that I had some decent 3d printed Indy-adjacent models that others had shared, it felt "right" to make something and share in return.
Ah, so THAT"s why you wanted it removed. I really didn't understand what you were getting at, at the time.
The irony is, the protectionist streak backfired and the results are a comedy of errors and happenstance.
Let me explain:
I was on that COW thread and honestly just looking to buy one. Just throw money at it in order to fill the prop slot behind the bar and move onto another project. Someone (I think just trying to be helpful) answered my question looking for one and shared a screenshot of yours from a facebook group. I tried to join the facebook group because I just wanted to get on your order list.
Had the facebook group paid closer attention to new-member-requests or had you left the screenshots alone, the freebie files wouldn't even exist today. Crazy, right? I was in the process of trying to reach out to you for a preorder slot. But, since the screenshots were taken down, generating a scooby-doo mystery and I wasn't able to secure a slot:
Causality being, the one guy on the internet at that moment with a software-development mindset of open source collaboration and an Indy prop boner ended up designing and sharing the files with a naive hope that others would contribute to the project. (they didn't)
Inversely, Had I been able to get in contact with you to buy one of yours I would have happily moved onto the next prop for the basement or a dozen or so arcade PCB repairs stacking up.
Since the thread screenshots came down and my attempts to join the fb group were never answered. I saw your post over there about the takedown and it generally had a tone of "piss-off Indy people / I'm too busy for this crap" and I thought to myself "I wonder what that guy's problem is? Eh probably has more work than he can handle. Oh Well, I guess I've got to go make myself one, now. " so I started trying to model something myself from screenshots and a couple production-rumor DMs from folks that mostly ended up inaccurate. For instance, up until Father's day weekend, I still thought it was going to be an octagonal shape - because a leaker told me so and was full of crap.
Hmm.. the implication here is offensive. Just to shut this down before it starts. I also posted on that COW thread a similar stream-of-consciousness reasoning of trying to work out the details of the model and I screen-recorded the majority of the design sessions, which at times were a complete ****-show of me learning the app while trying to reason out aspects of the prop from natural constraints.
(Concentric circles encased in a box have emergent and natural constraints)
My work was done in full, open view for anyone to see, with timestamps.
Just so there is no confusion, if you are referring my posts of 3d print prototypes and iterations over there, you are mistaken to think they had anything to do with your super-top-secret screenshots. Well, with one exception: tone and protectionist in-group B.S. Because the only rumored Dial prop on the whole internet for sale was locked away behind a door I couldn't access and its reported creator took to the baffling effort to join a forum and take down references to it, then shut down any interested parties. I internalized this to mean "if you want it you'll have to make it." But your screenshots were not even considered in the design of my prop. Thanks for the motivation to learn some basic CAD skills though
Your work is your own and I recall it being quite fantastic, in fact my memory tells me you had more detail back then than I've been able to figure out even now having seen the film three times. But don't make the mistake of assuming two people can't look at screenshots and production rumors and independently iterate towards a common point. It really isn't that complicated. Its a clock-like mechanism in a funky box.
Enlighten me please, are you more worried about a legal takedown from commercial IP enforcement or something along the lines of protecting the work from visual copycat activity?
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Well seems like you and I are going to disagree on a lot of things, so I’ll try and keep this civil best I can. Seems like a respectable group here.
Might want to enlighten yourself on the term “re-caster” since it’s something that’s commonplace in this hobby/business. Personally I found out the hard way when people tried to copy some of my work in the past and sell it. Maybe I’ll save you some time.
As for the drama I steer clear of it best I can, I’ll leave that to the clowns on the internet and the people who don’t have anything better to do with their time *shrugs*
As for you or them posting my images without permission from a private Facebook group, that’s a terrible excuse, and you should know better, feigning ignorance and rationalizing you were just “looking for help” by taking screenshots of my work in a private group and sharing them in a public group isn’t a good excuse. Not that it matters now.
Most people will disagree with this, giving out files for free may be more harmful than helpful (or labeling it personal use only, in which case if the person actually only uses it for that it is a good thing, but in my experience they usually download your free “personal use only” files and claim it as their own and sell their versions dirt cheap on Etsy) If you go on online seller platforms you’ll find a majority of 3D printed garbage all made from the same free files. Go on Etsy or eBay and I’m sure you’ll find several dozen fertility idols, or grail cups, all usually made from the same few free files. Wasn’t so bad a few years ago but now that 3D printers are readily available and a lot of people are running out and buying them, the online marketplace is simply oversaturated with the same vast array of 3D printed props. Or go on Amazon or eBay, I’m sure you can find a a dozen different people all making $25 plastic cross of Coronado props that are now mass produced overseas thanks to the free files available. Only a small percentage who know how to 3D model actually design their own, like myself and I definitely don’t share those files for free or charge others, especially to the several dozen entitled and demanding messages I’ve gotten over the years. But hey, you do you if you want to freely share your work, it’s a free country and a free marketplace you have every right to do so. I’m sure you’re aware of people on Facebook claiming your dial prop files are their own work, but if that doesn’t matter to you then by all means do it. Anyways that’s my opinion on the whole matter.
Funny you think I’m making a mistake by assumption, I highly doubt it. And yes my work is quite fantastic thanks for the compliment.
Back to my original issue, the bottom line is I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate it if someone was using your images without permission (as I’m sure you’ve seen online scam sites using your dial prop photos without your permission) ..doesn’t feel good does it? I seem to recall you not being too thrilled about it. I guess that’s karma in a way. I’ve had over fifty online scam sites and fake ads in the past few years use my images of things I’ve made without permission. It’s not right. Next time ask permission next time you want to take screenshots from a private group of my work only intended for those people in the group. I may have been more than happy to help if you did.
Hope that “enlightens” you Bill.
Hopefully that ends the matter. On a different note here’s my dial of destiny props I’ve 3D modeled and made myself. Cheers
I think we'd get along fine, actually. Probably have more in common than you think.
Yeah, wasn't me that shared your screenshots on COW, though in a way it is my fault. I think the person that hoovered up the screenshots was generally trying to help me find one to buy. I couldn't have shared screenshots for the facebook group I didn't and still don't have access to
Like you said, hardly matters now.Nah, I don't disagree - I absolutely see your point here, especially from the frustrating perspective of someone trying to make a living at it. I see these little trade show booths selling other peoples' 3d printed trinkets all the time at festivals, I'm sure most of the creators of those designs aren't being attributed correctly, not to mention the commodification.
No argument from me there!
In another life, I was a photographer. My work was stolen frequently. Today, my code is stolen and remixed by AI and will eventually (soon, actually) make this career obsolete. I'm not a fan but will adapt. I think though, there's a difference in purity of intent between a person posting a screenshot in a thread of people admiring your work and wanting to buy it and a Chinese scam site scraping google images to steal peoples' credit cards. False equivalence aside, your images, your rules. I keep thinking - Man, I could have saved a lot of time had it not shaken out this way
Not sure what I did to deserve that but okey dokey.
That absolutely sucks.
Don't do the thing I didn't do. Got it.
Now that's what I'm talking about. Excellent work.
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MAKE BELIEVE
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Fantastic work indeed. Hope to get my DoD prop replicas soon.
OasisSupernova
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I need these.
OasisSupernova
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Anybody have a good frontal pic of the Grafikos or wax block its set in?
Thank you
SheerHeartAttac
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I’ve been making them, I have a long waitlist though in the private prop collector groups. I don’t sell on the RPF as I’m not a premium member. They’ll be on my Etsy and eBay soon though
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MAKE BELIEVE
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Pls let us know here when they will be available (in case se might miss it). Thanks.
Any idea of an aprox. cost?
