I think my Iron Man suit might have been recast!

[Drack]

Marvel owns the rights to everything you guys are arguing about. Keep it up boys, ruin it for everybody. Davy doesn't own ironman, nor does anyone on here. If someone has such a problem with people recasting their work, then sculpt something original that we all want, and you will own the rights and be able to sue when someone recasts it.

99% of everything on this site is a copy of someone's original art work from a film. Get off your high horse people.

Yeah, very good point. Was saying the same early today with a friend. If it is the case that Angel did make his suit then fair enough. I think the issue for Davy and others that have had this happen is when the recaster says they did all the work to start with and didn't. As you stated we don't own any of the rights but we do have the right to vent off if some one is taking credit for something they didn't do (the work not design).

 

[Gary Pahls]

huh, thats funny. Angel was trying to buy my Halo Pistol I bought a few years back on the 405th (I believe its Smick6's) and was asking me all kinds of questions about who had the casting rights to it. I thought it was kind of weird but I ended up selling to someone else. From what I read here, I think he had every intention of doing the same to smick6 by buying my cast I bought from smick6 and recasting it

 

[Surreal Studios]

Marvel owns the rights to everything you guys are arguing about. Keep it up boys, ruin it for everybody. Davy doesn't own ironman, nor does anyone on here. If someone has such a problem with people recasting their work, then sculpt something original that we all want, and you will own the rights and be able to sue when someone recasts it.

99% of everything on this site is a copy of someone's original art work from a film. Get off your high horse people.

This has nothing to do with owning the rights. It is all about having someone take your hard work and claim it as their own. Yes none of us own the rights to these items but do you know what webite you are on.....THE REPLICA PROP FORUM...."REPLICA PROP" It is all about creating items seen on screen here and showing off your hard work, fan made reproductions e.g. "Replica"

Davy I am sorry to hear this has happened to you, it is clearly obvious that your suit has been recast, aside from the spot on pictures , you can not make a suit at that level of quality in 2 months. I hope this all gets sorted out. Credit where credit is due my friend!

 

[darkside501st]

Marvel owns the rights to everything you guys are arguing about. Keep it up boys, ruin it for everybody. Davy doesn't own ironman, nor does anyone on here. If someone has such a problem with people recasting their work, then sculpt something original that we all want, and you will own the rights and be able to sue when someone recasts it.

99% of everything on this site is a copy of someone's original art work from a film. Get off your high horse people.

Just to clarify, I'm not endorsing recasting. It's whole thing just seems like the guy who steals a purse from an old lady in the street, only to have it stolen from him while he counts the money in an alley around the corner. He can yell "thief!" All he wants, but what is he?

Yeah, very good point. Was saying the same early today with a friend. If it is the case that Angel did make his suit then fair enough. I think the issue for Davy and others that have had this happen is when the recaster says they did all the work to start with and didn't. As you stated we don't own any of the rights but we do have the right to vent off if some one is taking credit for something they didn't do (the work not design).

The argument isn't on whether or not davy owns the rights to Iron Man or whether or not making props of something that a large corporation owns the rights to is right or wrong. As I mentioned before, these large corporations allow this to take place because they know that it helps to maintain their fanbase. If I leave a dish of cookies out on the counter and I let someone take a cookie that doesn't make him a thief. Just the same, it is not the main issue that Angel claims to have made this himself if he didn't.

In any case, the issue is that Angel is (allegedly) making money off of davy's hard work and the long hours it took him to take a pile of paper and turn it into a piece of art. Not everyone can do what davy did. Angel taking credit for it as his own is a side factor. It doesn't matter if a recaster is honest and tells everyone that they recasted their suits from somebody else's suit. They did not earn the privilege of selling it because they did not make it.

I also previously mentioned that recasting is just like plagiarism. Anyone that recasts someone else's prop for profit is taking advantage of the other person's creative works. Anyone who has ever created anything would understand that.

Of course, we all know the risks of selling our props and of making the movie props that we all love so much. It is a risk that is accepted when we decide to do what we do. A pet owner knows that at some point the animal is going to crap on the carpet. This, however, does not mean that he should allow it to happen. If he did then it would not be long before he would be surrounded by crap. In the same way, we can not stand idly by and allow this kind of behavior to take place in our house. Recasters are not welcome here.

 

[Gary Pahls]

Recasters are not welcome here.

I think that sums this whole thing up beautifully

 

[Wes R]

The pics are pretty damning evidence.

 

[cssimeur]

The whole Marvel issue doesn't seem to be what's at stake. Davy isn't protesting any Iron Man suit out there, just the one suit that seems to be a recast of the one he made.

How long do these things usually take to resolve? Sorry, I'm still new here. And couldn't the Angel guy just try and get back in with a different email, if they ban him?

 

[STEALTH]

I hate when people use the copyright card. Why are you here then? This is a prop replica forum. We have a junk yard to sell our work. We are a community. We stand up for each others work. Don't just brush that all off with that old line. There is no grey area in this case at all. This case is black and white.

 

[pattym]

Just out of curiosity, how much is he selling the recasted suit for? If the price is the same, then we should just all buy from Davy, as it is clearly his work. Has the guy recasted this in order to sell it at a greatly reduced price?
What are the motives to recast?
I think we all know the answer to the question at hand, this is Davy's suit. Let the guy recast it all he wants, if nobody agrees to buy it, then maybe he will stop.

 

[Kevin Gossett]

You are clearly not getting it... Do you think this forum is the only place people buy and sell this stuff? We are in the vast minority here. Put yourself in Davy's place. Would that change how you felt?

 

[STEALTH]

Just out of curiosity, how much is he selling the recasted suit for? If the price is the same, then we should just all buy from Davy, as it is clearly his work. Has the guy recasted this in order to sell it at a greatly reduced price?
What are the motives to recast?
I think we all know the answer to the question at hand, this is Davy's suit. Let the guy recast it all he wants, if nobody agrees to buy it, then maybe he will stop.

You really don't get it...

 

[Peejfro]

:facepalm:behave

Just out of curiosity, how much is he selling the recasted suit for? If the price is the same, then we should just all buy from Davy, as it is clearly his work. Has the guy recasted this in order to sell it at a greatly reduced price?
What are the motives to recast?
I think we all know the answer to the question at hand, this is Davy's suit. Let the guy recast it all he wants, if nobody agrees to buy it, then maybe he will stop.

 

[pattym]

I get it, just don't see how you can police it. Most of us he in the rpf won't buy it because of integrity. Good luck with eBay though.
Ban the member I guess, but seems the damage has been done. And once he gets his hands on leslees suit, they will probably pop up on eBay as well.

 

[DOORMANMATT]

Well, I am sure justice will prevail as far as the forum is concerned.

As for the "alleged" fraudster outside of the rpf, he is sitting pretty and making money irrespective of what happens on here.

 

[Peejfro]

Well, I am sure justice will prevail as far as the forum is concerned.

As for the "alleged" fraudster outside of the rpf, he is sitting pretty and making money irrespective of what happens on here.

that is true son! i just wanna see the outcome now!

 

[docholiday78]

I think he had more than enough time to post pics of any proof he built it from scratch but hasn't cuz there aren't any.

 

[Peejfro]

I think he had more than enough time to post pics of any proof he built it from scratch but hasn't cuz there aren't any.

it is taking a considerable age to get some pics!

 

[TheShinyOne]

He is busy trying to find pics of Davy's build on the forum and photoshopping his face over Davy's. That stuff takes a while!

 

[Chaank]

Wow. I can't believe people are trying to defend recasting on this thread. Reminds me of those weirdos who protest solders funerals. Very sad. Sorry to read all this Davy.

 

[angelousprime23]

hi im not hiding im just dealing with the mods to do this the correct way.
am sorting pics and emails with them.
also have been told if cleared i dont have to justify build pics here but i will.
im not a con man a re caster of bad guy
i love this stuff and marvel especially and anyone who knows me or have dealt with me knows ill help anyway i can.
i got told not to post on hear till its sorted by someone but didnt want to look like im hiding also like someone said re casters just disappear when hastle comes there way and im still here trying to prove myself with the abuse and stress believe me it would be easier. but i love the rpf and want to stay part of it
and admire everyone sticking up for each other thats how it should be.
i think looking at the emails theres been some confusion and when this is sorted ill post them as well once again im working with the mods and will keep it updated hope that proves at least im not a coward whos just sloped away