I hate ST Discovery

Nothing like a debate about a Star Trek series

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patrickivan said:
No, you don't have to pay for it, nor do you have to watch it. I mean, that's 100% on you. You're not the Manchurian Candidate, strapped in front of a projector being force fed anything.

There is LOTS of entertainment that still reflects white and white male imagery. And yes, in positive forms. We are NOT being replaced.

Again, you miss the point of the representation of non-whites, or non-males, in the entertainment world. It is NOT to hurt you or me. It's to finally give everyone else some time to shine.

Things will balance out when people stop being so damned negative towards people that don't look like them. And that even happens in "minority" groups. But the issue is, particularly in North America, that white males still dominate EVERYTHING. And it's NOT about how many of us there are. It's about non-males, and non-whites NOT being given a chance JUST BECAUSE of that very thing.

Hollywood is pushing that, because it's not only the right thing to do, but they do it because it's their target audience. You think they do this and NOT want to make money?

Again, this will balance out. Things will level out as long as people stop dumping on people out of FEAR for losing their identity.

I'm still represented in entertainment. I'm so white, I'm practically translucent. Canadian with an all European background. I'm not ashamed of it because I can accept that there's more to the world than just me, and I'm not afraid to see others be represented in things like Star Trek.

Discovery, despite it's atrociously ***** writing, directing, lack of direction, horribly modelling, and lousy story arc concepts, DOES give people otherwise traditionally SHUNNED, a voice. It lets THEM be seen. It lets THEM feel like they can see themselves in a future.

Stamets is there. He's white. Other than being gay, you and I are represented there. OF course I am assuming you're not gay. I could be wrong. What's the issue with that? I mean, unless you solely define your existence by what you ****. That's pretty small and petty if that's the case.

Everything else you mention about Discovery's tech and time travel suit crap. I 100% agree with. But that goes along with my prior comments about what makes Discovery suck dirty sass.
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You're completely mischaracterizing the criticism. No one here is complaining about race or gender etc. Star Trek and most other sci-fi has always been diverse, it was the core component of Star Trek and is one of the reasons so many love it.

As was mentioned above DS9 did it right, leveled up diversity. Sisco was not white but no one cared, I've heard many name him as their favorite captain. DS9 is my favorite ST spin off, and Janeway was also a well written and well played captain.

Folks are calling Duhscovery out for "forced diversity" because it's not "leveled up" anymore. The women are not only the leads (which bothers no one) but they are the only strong competent members of the crew. The men are either incompetent, villains or both. They are always failing and needing the women to do their jobs for them.

Spock was established in this show as awkward with a mental disability who needed Burnham to teach him how to be a good Vulcan. The implication here is that all of Spock's great accomplishments were only possible because of Burnham. Same thing with Star Wars, the original heroes were failures and the amazing and all powerful Rey had to finish their job.

Inclusion is great, I've always been for it and have enjoyed it in the many franchises I've watched all my life. But the current trend is to elevate one group by lowering another, this is not inclusive or equal.
 
Gimpdiggity said:
Let’s be honest here...if you could write better TV and movies than those that are being written, you’d be doing it.
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actually, no, the crappy ones are so bad it would be easy, maybe Im too busy with my job to do it, maybe I dont need the money, just because you can do something better than people who screw-in up doesnt mean u have t0
robn1 said:
You're completely mischaracterizing the criticism. No one here is complaining about race or gender etc. Star Trek and most other sci-fi has always been diverse, it was the core component of Star Trek and is one of the reasons so many love it.

As was mentioned above DS9 did it right, leveled up diversity. Sisco was not white but no one cared, I've heard many name him as their favorite captain. DS9 is my favorite ST spin off, and Janeway was also a well written and well played captain.

Folks are calling Duhscovery out for "forced diversity" because it's not "leveled up" anymore. The women are not only the leads (which bothers no one) but they are the only strong competent members of the crew. The men are either incompetent, villains or both. They are always failing and needing the women to do their jobs for them.

Spock was established in this show as awkward with a mental disability who needed Burnham to teach him how to be a good Vulcan. The implication here is that all of Spock's great accomplishments were only possible because of Burnham. Same thing with Star Wars, the original heroes were failures and the amazing and all powerful Rey had to finish their job.

Inclusion is great, I've always been for it and have enjoyed it in the many franchises I've watched all my life. But the current trend is to elevate one group by lowering another, this is not inclusive or equal.
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exactly
 
robn1 said:
You're completely mischaracterizing the criticism. No one here is complaining about race or gender etc. Star Trek and most other sci-fi has always been diverse, it was the core component of Star Trek and is one of the reasons so many love it.

As was mentioned above DS9 did it right, leveled up diversity. Sisco was not white but no one cared, I've heard many name him as their favorite captain. DS9 is my favorite ST spin off, and Janeway was also a well written and well played captain.

Folks are calling Duhscovery out for "forced diversity" because it's not "leveled up" anymore. The women are not only the leads (which bothers no one) but they are the only strong competent members of the crew. The men are either incompetent, villains or both. They are always failing and needing the women to do their jobs for them.

Spock was established in this show as awkward with a mental disability who needed Burnham to teach him how to be a good Vulcan. The implication here is that all of Spock's great accomplishments were only possible because of Burnham. Same thing with Star Wars, the original heroes were failures and the amazing and all powerful Rey had to finish their job.

Inclusion is great, I've always been for it and have enjoyed it in the many franchises I've watched all my life. But the current trend is to elevate one group by lowering another, this is not inclusive or equal.
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Are you ******** me here? No one here?

Did you see who I was responding to? DARKKNIGHT Said some pretty ***** things about women and diversity. My response is complete correct.

And just for funzies, I checked his posts going back to 2013. EVERY single one that mentioned a women, involved him saying not so thinly veiled negative comments about them. Even when he compliments anything women related there's an exception.
 
EXACTLY!

The show starts off by picking certain characters based on a diversity checkbox, then writes CRAP.

From that point on, any criticism, no matter how well defined, gets treated as an attack on that diversity checkbox. Please look BEYOND THE CHECKBOX!!! Understand, we are NOT using YOUR rating system.

The IRONY is that the people who claim the criticism is based on superficial means are the ones actually judging based on superficial means.

Why can't you see beyond a superficial checkbox? No matter how well others define their criticism(s)!!!

The Last Jedi is a GREAT example. People who claimed Rey wasn't a Mary Sue kept using examples that CONFIRMED she was a Mary Sue. When I made that realization, I first thought it was funny, then I felt sad for them.

I am a minority, I don't need someone to tell me I am incompetent, and should welcome their assistance. It is actually pretty insulting.

The phrase for it is, "the subtle racism of low expectations," --if you really think we should excuse a character because of their race or gender.

Lazy people would LOVE to have an attention-seeking, white-knight stand up for them and try to shame others into elevating them.

And before anyone gets TRIGGERED, Lazy isn't a race or gender

AS I said before, I am applying my standards EQUALLY.
 
patrickivan said:
The mods should just shut this piece of **** thread down.
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is this the cancel culture I have heard about? you disagree with an opinion and now it should be silenced? you keep claiming I hate women, nothing could be further from the truth, I love Sigourney Weaver as Ellen Ripley in Alien and Aliens, and in Galaxy Quest, I love the original Uhura, I admit skepticism at first about a female Starbuck, but I see Katie Sackhoff as perfect for the role as written. Perhaps you are using the psychological defenses of projection and reaction formation to address your issues with women here. Again what gives you the right to tell others how they feel or think, you dont know my feelings or thoughts. Its like cops say, if you go through the world thinking you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. the constant screaming of racism and sexism is what's ruining entertainment, Hollywood is pushing garbage out and some people are eating it up, but people like me are apparently villains for pointing out the emperor has no clothes
 
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DarkKnight
you really don't like look of the Discovery?

Edit- yeah, it does look wayyyyy too advanced for its time.

I actually like the look of the ship. That and the Enterprise J are my faves

EDIT- oh, and the Defiant! If there was ever a Starship that could have had a bad word for its name that would be the #@$$#@#-ing Defiant.
 
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JPH said:
DarkKnight
you really don't like look of the Discovery?

Edit- yeah, it does look wayyyyy too advanced for its time.

I actually like the look of the ship. That and the Enterprise J are my faves

EDIT- oh, and the Defiant! If there was ever a Starship that could have had a bad word for its name that would be the #@$$#@#-ing Defiant.
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I dont like the holes in the saucer section, as painted the McQuarrie Enterprise that Discovery is based on is a beauty, although I see her now as a design that would look best as a bridge from Enterprise NX-01 to Constitution class, not the updated 1071 they intended, maybe they can update Discovery when they get rid of "spore" drive fix the saucer section and replace the warp nacelles with a different design I'd like it. The Defiant is the coolest Federation ship, although Ive taken a liking to the Delta Flyer and the NX-01 update as seen on the polar lights kit
 
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Gimpdiggity said:
Look what the cat dragged in. It took three pages of a hate thread before you showed up? That’s honestly shocking to me.

I’m going to go off topic for a second here...is there ANYTHING on TV or in theaters that you actually enjoy?

Literally every post I see you make is whining, complaining, or just being flat out angry about entertainment options.

So humor me...tell me one CURRENT thing in media that you actually enjoy.
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Instead of constantly criticizing others for their opinions, why not tell us what you like about this show (other than it's diversity)?

To address your question I used to go to the theater 2 or 3 times a week, now it's more like once every 2 or 3 years. Why? Because everything is crap anymore. The only current things I watch are The Orville, The Mandalorian, and Last Man Standing, that's it. Anything else I've looked at was at best disappointing.
 
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