Hollywood’s current state of failure and the reasons for it

[Paul Andrew]

IMO, its got just as much to do with how expensive everything has gotten. Grocery prices have skyrocketed, rent and mortgage are more expensive than ever before... and frankly people's pay hasn't risen to match. It can be difficult to justify the (also higher than ever before) cost of going to a movie with the family when it's going to cost $50-$75 just to get in and split a popcorn.

 

[Lightning]

And, as I think I told him in the comments, if it's the same guy, that doesn't hold up because there are movies out there that are making tons of money in the theaters, with the same short-ish theatrical runs. No, the problem is that most movies suck and don't appeal to the paying audience.

Its a combination of quality, price, and convenience, we are just quibbling over percentages. I fully intended to see Guardians 3 in the theater but couldn't make it work with my Brother-in-law's schedule so I skipped it since I knew it would be on Disney plus relatively soon.

 

[HeartBlade]

It's very hard on the body, heavy packages, lots of walking, extreme temperatures inside and outside the truck. tight schedules. I'm curious how many years a driver usualy lasts.

Definitely. Demand is also increasing due to the fact that e-commerce and online shopping has only increased. I just find it funny th

Its a combination of quality, price, and convenience, we are just quibbling over percentages. I fully intended to see Guardians 3 in the theater but couldn't make it work with my Brother-in-law's schedule so I skipped it since I knew it would be on Disney plus relatively soon.

Agree its not one factor but several.

Movies not being great in general hurts.
Quick time to streaming means there is less incentive to wait
Downward economy + higher prices means less money to spend on luxuries

Its just simple economics at the end of the day. If you arnt making something that people want and they dont have the money to consume it (because of low wages with the top 1% making far more than the rest), then they are either going to find cheaper ways to consume that product or just not consume it at all. Its not complicated.

I do think the "silver age" of Hollywood has come to an end. The day of raking in billions in the box office with one movie is gone and never coming back. Streaming is just too convenient and cheap which only spread like wildfire thanks to Covid. Even if movies were amazing must-watch features in the theater, I still dont think we will reach the billion dollar mark again (adjusting for inflation).

 

[ghostryder]

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[blewis17]

Disney movies bombed at the box-office because they didn't stick to the original story in the first place...as we can see in the last pics of Snow White. The story didn't have to be changed in the first place. These are a sure things (cut & paste).
Respect the casting of the original ones and get on with it...but noooooo.

When the star of your upcoming Disney film berates the original incessantly...
How does Disney not pull her aside and politely say: "Ahem... SHUT. YOUR. FACE."

Whether you "like" Disney's 1937 take on Snow White or not, I think it's clear that:
1) Its fairy tale timeline would place it centuries ago, when gender roles were well defined. There's nothing wrong with portraying that world view, especially in the 1930s
2) The 1937 film was NEVER meant to be a western world specific social commentary on the problems with a male hierarchy. The male characters in the original film all adore Snow White, and she is NOT oppressed by any of them.
3) The original story and Disney 1937 take is NOT about Snow White trying to become the leader her father always knew she could be. That's NOT THE STORY, that's not the character's personality. The character is a pure, loving, caring and innocent/naïve young woman who is oppressed by the FEMALE hierarchy in her world, for vanity's sake.
4) Finding your true love is a universal truth, as is the "man rescues the damsel in distress" paradigm. It's OK to make movies about them.
5) The 1937 film was a SEMINAL event in both motion picture and animation history in terms of it's groundbreaking animation, use of color, sound and music. While not flawless, it is essentially "perfect" for what it is. It is one of the anchors upon which modern cinema is based and as such it is timeless. It stands with other such great film landmarks: Citizen Cane, Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz, The Searchers, The Maltese Falcon, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Psycho, Jaws, Star Wars, Superman, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Alien, Dances with Wolves, et al. Disney's 1937 film deserves to be called a masterpiece; to outright DISMISS it (again, whether you like it or not) shows a severe ignorance of film history and accomplishment.

 

[blewis17]

Kind of unrelated but a reality star talked about how he was underpaid by Netflix and "made less than a UPS worker" to make his point.

Given the pay as well as the benefits, UPS worker is quite a good job although it does seem to be very demanding.

Plus, a UPS worker is actually doing something meaningful for society, on a daily basis. Can't say the same about any reality star.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Shazam! actor DESTROYS modern “Garbage” Hollywood (is that clickbaity enough?)!!


Zachary Levi Calls Out Hollywood ‘Garbage,’ Urges Moviegoers Not to Watch Crappy Films: Studios ‘Don’t Care Enough to Actually Make It Great’

In a strange twist of irony, it looks like Zachary is eager to provide another of the type of movies that he recommends that we avoid…

Zachary Levi Responded To Rumors About Florence Pugh Potentially Playing Rapunzel In A Live-Action Remake Of Tangled

Is this dream cast becoming a reality?

www.cinemablend.com

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Disney Has Been Sued Again, And The Lawsuit Is Similar To Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow Filing

Streaming isn't making everyone happy...

www.cinemablend.com

 

[HeartBlade]

Plus, a UPS worker is actually doing something meaningful for society, on a daily basis. Can't say the same about any reality star.

Lol thats in the comments responding to his article too.

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Disney Has Been Sued Again, And The Lawsuit Is Similar To Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow Filing

Streaming isn't making everyone happy...

www.cinemablend.com

Interesting and I can see that this has legs. Disney is killing their movies' box office potential by releasing these movies to streaming so quickly. In this current environment, I doubt Endgame would have made as much money if it was released on streaming 3 months later given that alot of people rewatched it in theaters.

Again, I think its just the nature of the beast. The industry has changed with streaming and movie ROI is naturally going to be lower. But its these very studios that pushed streaming in the first place during covid so its on them. If Netflix was the only platform with old movies and tv shows with new content trickling in from Disney and Universal, the box office drop may not have happened as suddenly.

 

[batguy]

The studios have been closing the gap between theater releases & home video releases for decades. It's so friggin' obvious that it depresses ticket sales. They act like that inconvenient fact will go away if they ignore it hard enough.


In the 1990s the gap was like 6 months. That's probably not realistic anymore because it would fuel too much internet piracy. But still, IMO they are being stupid to make the gap any shorter than than 2-3 months.

 

[CB2001]

I’m not gonna lie. I’m kinda to this point. And I’m pretty sure a lot of the audiences are too:

 

[pengbuzz]

The studios have been closing the gap between theater releases & home video releases for decades. It's so friggin' obvious that it depresses ticket sales. They act like that inconvenient fact will go away if they ignore it hard enough.


In the 1990s the gap was like 6 months. That's probably not realistic anymore because it would fuel too much internet piracy. But still, IMO they are being stupid to make the gap any shorter than than 2-3 months.

Right? Otherwise, what's the point of the theater when you can simply wait for the home release?

 

[joberg]

Good pay and benefits with UPS, but it's very physically demanding and takes a toll on your body over time. I have two friends who worked there for years and it can be brutal on your health.

Hence the pay rate

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Hence the pay rate

The UPS vs FedEx turf wars are the stuff of legend….

 

[joberg]

It's very hard on the body, heavy packages, lots of walking, extreme temperatures inside and outside the truck. tight schedules. I'm curious how many years a driver usualy lasts.

Average salary of a coal miner in the U.S. Talking about back - breaking - health - destroying - job!!

Average salary for Coal Miner / United States is $88,588 USD per year. The most typical earning is $32,000 USD. All data are based on 4 salary surveys. Salaries are different between men and women. Men receive an average salary of $106,700 USD. Women receive a salary of $34,400 USD.

But that's the main point in this debate: what is the accepted salary that, as a society, we could accept? Are they saving lives? No, but to work for free working on a script for months without pay is unacceptable also! The "living salary" is directly attached to a very narrow context: working/living in Cali is not cheap So, because of this; your salary should reflect the context. If you live/work in Mississippi you will not be paid the same of course. But that's in a perfect world...

 

[joberg]

Lol thats in the comments responding to his article too.


Interesting and I can see that this has legs. Disney is killing their movies' box office potential by releasing these movies to streaming so quickly. In this current environment, I doubt Endgame would have made as much money if it was released on streaming 3 months later given that alot of people rewatched it in theaters.

Again, I think its just the nature of the beast. The industry has changed with streaming and movie ROI is naturally going to be lower. But its these very studios that pushed streaming in the first place during covid so its on them. If Netflix was the only platform with old movies and tv shows with new content trickling in from Disney and Universal, the box office drop may not have happened as suddenly.

They're releasing them so fast as not to pay any residuals to the people involved in the production That's the feeling I have with the lawyers finding loopholes in signed contracts and the likes...
This discussion has opened my eyes on the way the studio's heads are treating the cast/crew in the first place! I don't know when the writers accepted to work for free in the first place (as soon as you've installed a precedent, everybody jumps on that band wagon despite rules and regulations saying the exact contrary).

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Plus, a UPS worker is actually doing something meaningful for society, on a daily basis. Can't say the same about any reality star.

So,..perhaps our favorite actors could become UPS drivers in order to have a living wage during the strike and avoid having to take drastic financial measures?

Billy Porter Is Being Forced to Sell His Home for the Most Heartbreaking Reason

Perhaps the UPS uniform could be the next “avant-garde” outfit seen on the red carpet?

 

[Cephus]

Interesting and I can see that this has legs. Disney is killing their movies' box office potential by releasing these movies to streaming so quickly. In this current environment, I doubt Endgame would have made as much money if it was released on streaming 3 months later given that alot of people rewatched it in theaters.

The thing is, they aren't doing it out of spite, but of necessity. It isn't like their movies are making a ton of money at the box office and they're pulling them early to go streaming. They are bombing and they move them to streaming because it's the only hope they have of making anything.

It's not the fault of streaming, it's still the fact that they're making terrible movies.

 

[joberg]

So,..perhaps our favorite actors could become UPS drivers in order to have a living wage during the strike and avoid having to take drastic financial measures?

Billy Porter Is Being Forced to Sell His Home for the Most Heartbreaking Reason

Perhaps the UPS uniform could be the next “avant-garde” outfit seen on the red carpet?

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Well, working as a server in a restaurant is a Hollywood tradition, maybe it'll be the next gen working for UPS instead

 

[Cephus]

Well, working as a server in a restaurant is a Hollywood tradition, maybe it'll be the next gen working for UPS instead

It would be a lot more productive than spending their days on social media making complete fools of themselves.