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Halliwax's weird V3 theory
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TheUnchosenOne
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I actually think it makes a lot of sense that the booster would be taped. Assuming that's actually the V2, I'm becoming more and more convinced it's the V3 and was used for rehearsal. It looks unfinished and the paint job on the V2 looks darker than that. The weathering pattern we see on the V2 looks more like the paint was at least partially pulled off instead of chipped off. At least, to my eye it does
granted this is resin... BUT its the only angle i have of the booster... with all my other reference photos i dont have one of the booster on this exact angle.. cant agree with this photo 100% because is a resin cast, but this booster is pretty messed up
This is not just to make everyone’s eyes crossed...why can’t we assume they may have cast the V3 but painted the resin hilt to resemble the V2?? After all, the V2 was the belt hanger at the time.
By the way, we have been officially given a deadline to finally settle all issues associated with the V2/V3...but we do have a little time:
Milky Way heading for catastrophic collision - Durham University
Even though I won’t be around for this it still gives me anxiety... thanks a lot alley.. I hope your up tonight at 2am to sing my a lullaby
From my working on my Shared Stunt project, the hilt isn't exactly cylindrical or straight. The wooden buck was lathed either off-center or from some janky piece of lumber (or both) and the face of the emitter doesn't line up center with the bottom of the pommel. It's off by ~2 degrees. It makes for very tricky lathing which I'm still trying to figure for the V3.
Also, notice on the resin cast just how off the emitter is from the mid-parting of the windvane/neck up. Only happens if the emitter was a separate piece. For those questioning if the emitter was a separate piece on the V3, by RotJ and when this cast was taken, it certainly was.
Also, notice on the resin cast just how off the emitter is from the mid-parting of the windvane/neck up. Only happens if the emitter was a separate piece. For those questioning if the emitter was a separate piece on the V3, by RotJ and when this cast was taken, it certainly was.
Joek3rr
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I can't help but notice that it has flecks of black paint on the "booster". Which make me think they were coping the V2. But then you see flecks of black paint on the pommel. Why would they do that? Though some of it looks like overspray.
Ha!
Joek3rr
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OK, let’s talk gaffer tape...
I do believe that, originally, the boosters were painted with black paint but were subsequently covered in black tape for comfort. This fatty tape remained on at least one of the hilts until the filming of the “Sandstorm Sequence” in ROTJ, after which the tape was removed, (who knows when exactly) leaving black paint remnants on the booster(s).
Here is the evidence I can offer...
What is inferred to be the V3 sporting tape in its booster in both “Star Wars” and during “ESB” training:
Here are my simulations showing what I believe we are seeing:
In Jedi, the hilt seen in the “Sandstorm Sequence” could be either the V2 or the V3 (I cant make out clear evidence of a V2 lever or cone knob here; if it’s the V2 perhaps the cone knob was installed after the gaffer tape was removed and the switch hike was revealed.) but regardless of which hit it is, the ratty gaffer tape is still there:
After the gaffer tape was removed, post “Sandstorm” filing, evidence of paint stripping, via tape being removed from a painted surface is clearly seen on the V2 booster:
An example of paint stripping via tape being removed from a painted surface looks very similar to the patterns seen on the V2 booster:
The V3 booster probably looked similar to the V2 booster, in terms of black paint stripping patterns after the gaffer tape was removed, as well, but this evidence was removed in its post-filming refurbishment.
I do believe that, originally, the boosters were painted with black paint but were subsequently covered in black tape for comfort. This fatty tape remained on at least one of the hilts until the filming of the “Sandstorm Sequence” in ROTJ, after which the tape was removed, (who knows when exactly) leaving black paint remnants on the booster(s).
Here is the evidence I can offer...
What is inferred to be the V3 sporting tape in its booster in both “Star Wars” and during “ESB” training:
Here are my simulations showing what I believe we are seeing:
In Jedi, the hilt seen in the “Sandstorm Sequence” could be either the V2 or the V3 (I cant make out clear evidence of a V2 lever or cone knob here; if it’s the V2 perhaps the cone knob was installed after the gaffer tape was removed and the switch hike was revealed.) but regardless of which hit it is, the ratty gaffer tape is still there:
After the gaffer tape was removed, post “Sandstorm” filing, evidence of paint stripping, via tape being removed from a painted surface is clearly seen on the V2 booster:
An example of paint stripping via tape being removed from a painted surface looks very similar to the patterns seen on the V2 booster:
The V3 booster probably looked similar to the V2 booster, in terms of black paint stripping patterns after the gaffer tape was removed, as well, but this evidence was removed in its post-filming refurbishment.
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I really respect your time and explanation of the tape
But I still don’t see it.. I see a wonky booster in all those photos, with black paint quickly sprayed on, even over the booster into the clamp section
We can see gaffers tape in black and white photos on the graflex (which we know for a fact had) so much clearer in other pictures, and some of those pictures are further away..
I just can see the same kind of texture here..
Further more. I can’t see using tape on the booster for comfort? The booster is smooth already? I can’t see Guinness complaining about it.. if anything cover the entire thing because the clamp section is the worst part..
I don’t think they came up with the idea of gaffer comfort tape until Hamill hurt himself...
And then they even went as far as making rubber t track for even more comfort..
I can’t agree it’s tape until we have better pictures.. I’m just very ignorant on this lol
But I still don’t see it.. I see a wonky booster in all those photos, with black paint quickly sprayed on, even over the booster into the clamp section
We can see gaffers tape in black and white photos on the graflex (which we know for a fact had) so much clearer in other pictures, and some of those pictures are further away..
I just can see the same kind of texture here..
Further more. I can’t see using tape on the booster for comfort? The booster is smooth already? I can’t see Guinness complaining about it.. if anything cover the entire thing because the clamp section is the worst part..
I don’t think they came up with the idea of gaffer comfort tape until Hamill hurt himself...
And then they even went as far as making rubber t track for even more comfort..
I can’t agree it’s tape until we have better pictures.. I’m just very ignorant on this lol
I, myself, have said that it looks like there may still be bare paint on the hilts that we see in the pics of the V2/V3 sabers seen in “Star Wars” (such as the photo, below, of the V2. This looks like bare semi-gloss black paint on the booster)...
...by the time you get to Empire and Jedi, the evidence for gaffer tape having been applied during dueling practice becomes more evident.
I find no other explanation for how the booster went from this (again, assuming this is the V2 in the storm sequence)...
....to this during the weeks of filming on Jedi:
If the V2 was not used as a dueling saber in Jedi, and was only a belt hanger, how did it suffer such abuse that the booster paint went from nearly solid black to its current stripped/chipped appearance? The paint on the prop has not suffered significant paint loss in the 30 pls years since filming Jedi, so I don’t think it likely that it just “flaked off” somehow during filming.
We are much more likely to know, for certain, how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie POP...
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Interestingly, the V2 booster is still nearly solid black during the Ewok village scenes...
I thought it was assumed that a good portion of the paint may have come off during the sandstorm filming.
It certainly looks like paint to me, in the Alec Guinness pic, gaff tape is far more matte than what I see, not to mention it's got that texture to it. What I see is smooth.
I'm not seeing any reason for tape on the booster section at all, but you never know!
In that last grab you posted, Alley, in the Ewok village, it looks to me like there's a pretty good bit of bare aluminum showing.
It certainly looks like paint to me, in the Alec Guinness pic, gaff tape is far more matte than what I see, not to mention it's got that texture to it. What I see is smooth.
I'm not seeing any reason for tape on the booster section at all, but you never know!
In that last grab you posted, Alley, in the Ewok village, it looks to me like there's a pretty good bit of bare aluminum showing.
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