Original ESB/ROTJ stunt Vader saber going up for auction...

[eethan]

Awesomness!
just for the lols guys, but I certainly hope Propstore didn't mix up a Roman props or something with the real deal this time! those auctions lately, too many auctions, not enough research!

excited to see more as this unfolds maybe an opportunity to know more about the grips, material, bendiness, stuff like this

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I am wondering when the damage to the shroud occurred.

It might be beginning, here (the shroud looks “chipped” in these shots):

 

[roygilsing]

Working on it

 

[IronDestinyProps]

This is amazing!! What a discovery!

 

[Tommy]

Initial Propstore write-up with a little more context on the auction's preview site:

I guess rather than stunt, as this discussion has thus-far termed it, they're apparently going with a philosophy of two hero types - "hero dueling" to distinguish from "hero belt-hanger." Perhaps both could be valid from certain points of view; I'd been under the impression that hero was generally reserved for the belt-hanger version, but I'm by no means fully up on the lightsaber research community's preferred terminology. In any case, I do wish the market could introduce some third term (maybe akin to the "mid-grade" of Star Trek phasers) for props like this where the wider diversity of forms doesn't quite automatically and neatly fit into the simple stunt/hero binary.

 

[3251bimmer]

Throwing a small wrench in this being the V1 (or at least the V1 flash tube) there are a few details that don’t seem to line up

Here’s one example: on the E port side of the bent nail flash

No badge rivet

On the stunt

Sanded down badge rivet

 

[thd9791]

The poor endcap lol

Didn't realize the T track were thinner!?

That hole in the front is taunting me. The hell is that for.

 

[Halliwax]

I think the Term “hero stunts” being used is because it seems that only 1 bolt MPP and 1 bolt graflex were made

And when the cameras were rolling the actors then had the “non canon” stunts replaced, and the bolt MPP/Graflex swapped in

seems like when they were practicing before the cameras were rolling they were using more comfortable stunts, Graflex pipe stunt, Kenobi stunt

I’ve always reference to the bolt stunts as “semi heros”

But seeing how these stunts originated from hero belt hangers, I can see the term “hero stunt” fitting

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I think the Term “hero stunts” being used is because it seems that only 1 bolt MPP and 1 bolt graflex were made

And when the cameras were rolling the actors then had the “non canon” stunts replaced, and the bolt MPP/Graflex swapped in

seems like when they were practicing before the cameras were rolling they were using more comfortable stunts, Graflex pipe stunt, Kenobi stunt

I’ve always reference to the bolt stunts as “semi heros”

But seeing how these stunts originated from hero belt hangers, I can see the term “hero stunt” fitting

Well…you know…technically…the GRAFLEX stunt and the MPP stunt were both used as belt hangers in at least one shot, each.

 

[Halliwax]

Well…you know…technically…the GRAFLEX stunt and the MPP stunt were both used as belt hangers in at least one shot, each.

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Yup. There is somewhere floating around the MPP bolt stunt hanging on Vaders belt.

 

[thd9791]

I wonder if anyone reading this will be able to answer if the weight if mostly in the front half or the whole thing is heavy. Maybe able to say if there is a grub screw holding the tang in, or if the tang is threaded. lol

 

[Halliwax]

I wonder if anyone reading this will be able to answer if the weight if mostly in the front half or the whole thing is heavy. Maybe able to say if there is a grub screw holding the tang in, or if the tang is threaded. lol

Tom I would love to know this.. the whole sandwiching the camera guts between the core and top plate never made sense to me. And I figured was a trail and error thing with the graflex

Looks like this same practice was done with the MPP..

 

[NagorbArt]

I think its the same shroud from the ANH v1 mpp! These shroud paint chips look to match up. Meaning it could be the same mpp, just re worked into the esb stunt!

 

[KaanE]

Not the same scratch for sure. Don't let your eyes and mind fool you.

 

[PoopaPapaPalps]

I guess rather than stunt, as this discussion has thus-far termed it, they're apparently going with a philosophy of two hero types - "hero dueling" to distinguish from "hero belt-hanger." Perhaps both could be valid from certain points of view; I'd been under the impression that hero was generally reserved for the belt-hanger version, but I'm by no means fully up on the lightsaber research community's preferred terminology. In any case, I do wish the market could introduce some third term (maybe akin to the "mid-grade" of Star Trek phasers) for props like this where the wider diversity of forms doesn't quite automatically and neatly fit into the simple stunt/hero binary.

Generally, it usually is just the two terms that differentiate what's used for filming props: the "hero" and the "stunt". The term "hero stunt/duelling" is almost a colloquial term that comes from usage on set for the preferred stunt copy either by performer's preference or continuity purposes out of the number of stunt copies made for use. Considering there were only a few ever made for production and they hot-swapped parts, heroes and stunts, indiscriminately, I'm surprised any of these pieces ever got recognized enough to be discerned into a "hero" for stunt work. This seems to be the one Bob Anderson used the most when he had to do the fencing for the filmed shots.

A recent example I can think of is from Phantom Menace and how many Maul hilts there were. The camera close-up "hero", the hero stunt with all the buttons and bladed, the bladed stunt that did most of the fencing work that was just tube with painted buttons, and the exploding stunt that was bladed with full greebs and was rigged to part in half along with a lever to set the squib off. Nevermind the countless plastic stunt versions of this too for whatever else they needed.

 

[SethS]

Amazing! We knew stunts were made out of MPPs but this is the first time we’ve seen one outside of screenshots right?

 

[PoopaPapaPalps]

SethS To my knowledge, yes.

 

[NagorbArt]

Not the same scratch for sure. Don't let your eyes and mind fool you.

Yeah seeing some photos of the other side has made me rethink my guess

 

[thd9791]

Sandwiching the guts makes it possible to add the wires Halliwax because without it you’d just see silver behind the ports.

The metal on top probably is a good idea because vibration and force against a plastic socket would crack it. I always thought the Elstree saber was a first attempt at protecting the socket

It’s AMAZING to see the correct length of the tang. I wonder where the blade went?! God I hope the inner spacer isn’t that long lol

 

[Obi1Kenobi]

I love the thought that this could be the ANH v1 Vader Hero with the silver sidebars and a bent nail to simulate a lever. Whether or not that theory turns out to be true, notice that this one uses a cut-off bolt or screw instead of a bent nail. That's a sensible upgrade.