Halliwax's weird V3 theory

[SethS]

I am referring to a special mechanical prop that opened up and presented the inner „workings“. They still had this saber in their collection, it was the subject of many discussions whether it was real or not.

We've assumed the ISYHCANL and cave-build were the same saber with the box modified... you saying they are two separate sabers? That'd be cool!

But we known the hero as it is today has the cave build box, in pics we can spot the 3 Yuma rings. But in the movie, the ISYHCANL also has the 3 ring detail, but a different box.

 

[SethS]

Just a small rando observation about the V2...

I don't think that's black paint on the booster. I think that's tape.

 

[thd9791]

There are a few things which are confusing me when I look at the three Luke ROTJ screen used sabers (V2, V3 and "hero"). The shape of the "hero" is actually closer to the V2 (shape of the emitter, thinkness of the neck etc.) than to the V3. Is it written in stone that the Yuma "stunt" is the same metal saber that was used in the "ISYHCANL" scene? Could the Yuma "stunt" be a resin casting of the metal "hero"? And the metal "hero" was originally produced to replace the "beaten-up" V2 for the rest of the production?

Thank you for sharing. Immensely. I actually just tested out Ace Hardware antique gold spray paint on a Yuma replica I have here. Most spray paints today have very weak brass and gold colors, and Ace (after a tip from Anakin Starkiller) seems to match your photo! let me see if I can pull up the image from this afternoon... here we go. ignore the other blaster builds

If the yuma and Cave scene saber are two different ones... I wouldn't be at all surprised. Do you remember what the black buttons were like? (did they cover a repair? or cleanly attached... thats where the Yuma fake lever would have been, whatever it looked like. This is my interpretation from the "zip line" gag scene where Luke gets wrapped up by Fett.)

 

[The 48th Ronin]

I am referring to a special mechanical prop that opened up and presented the inner „workings“. They still had this saber in their collection, it was the subject of many discussions whether it was real or not.

Does this refer to a saber hilt that did “MORE”—in terms of showing the saber’s “Inner guts”—than the one seen in the deleted scene (which is the standard post Yuma / post ISYHCANL Hero, as I understand it) with the clamp card that slid open to reveal primitive Earth-like electronics, circa 1982?

We've assumed the ISYHCANL and cave-build were the same saber with the box modified... you saying they are two separate sabers? That'd be cool!

I believe vadermania is referring to the "Elstree Reveal" saber. I was under the impression that it was debunked as being fabricated after the fact (hence his comment about the "many discussions whether it was real or not")

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Just a small rando observation about the V2...

I don't think that's black paint on the booster. I think that's tape.

That’s not all...that thing is either partially disassembled or loosely held together at the joint, or bent just beneath the clamp area....look at the crookedness of the main body in that area of the hilt.

I don’t think the Clamp is on in that shot either.

 

[SethS]

That’s not all...that thing is either partially disassembled or loosely held together at the joint, or bent just beneath the clamp area....look at the crookedness of the main body in that area of the hilt.

This is nuts. I've stared at this pic many many times.

And now, all I see is a thick multi-layer roll of gaffer's tape holding the pommel to the body!

 

[Joek3rr]

So here's the question I have for everyone. The paint on the neck of Yuma seems to be coming off in areas. And the emitter tarnished. Was the prop guys trying to replicate the V3? Or did it just get worn that quickly?

 

[Captain Dunsel]

This is nuts. I've stared at this pic many many times.

And now, all I see is a thick multi-layer roll of gaffer's tape holding the pommel to the body!

Hmmm...looking at it again, I see a swirly, brushed-on, paint pattern on the booster. But that thing is definitely warped/bent at the top of the booster, or partially disassembled and being held together by Alec’s hand.

 

[Halliwax]

The clamp is all over the place on the v2 during filming

 

[SethS]

Hmmm...looking at it again, I see a swirly, brushed-on, paint pattern on the booster. But that thing is definitely warped/bent at the top of the booster, or partially disassembled and being held together by Alec’s hand.

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What you call swirly paint strokes I see as a divot in layered tape!

 

[Halliwax]

What you call swirly paint strokes I see as a divot in layered tape!

No tape Seth!! No tape!! Eeerrrr

 

[Halliwax]

In all seriousness guys, over my studying of the pictures... well before I go any further let me say

I still don’t believe the v3 was ever used in ANH

BUT this is the only picture that makes me feel differently.. and I think it’s my eyes playing tricks on me...

The emitter on the v3 is faaaarrrr thinner then the v2. Especially on 1 side

Granted we don’t know when the order of these pictures were taken... and we know Guinness was quoted saying he used this thumb to press up against the emitter to slow it down

So this would explain why the emitter isn’t completely black like the other pictures..

But if this picture is taken before he thumbed it.. or if the blade broke on the v2 and they used the v3 as practice while they switched blades on the functioning v2...

(I distinctly remember a video of Guinness and prowse dueling in the hall way and Guinness snapping a blade.. anyone else remember seeing that clip?)

This could be the v3 we are looking at... this would explain the really wonky booster and thin emitter.. if the emitter really is thin..

I still see a loose clamp in the picture..

We don’t see any graflex letters or lines in any of the other pictures, including this high res one

(V2 below for reference )

I still believe in my heart it’s the v2... unless the v2 broke a blade and they used the v3 as practice until they got the v2 back up and running for film to roll...

And of course that d ring is in the location where the red switch would be on the opposite side out of our sight so we can’t rule that out either...

 

[Captain Dunsel]

He he...

The first accurate “short bladed” Yuma stunt replica that was ever produced:

 

[vadermania]

The V2 kept it's clamp with the long lever from ANH to ROTJ, correct? Perhaps the V3 never had a clamp attached during ANH and ESB and only got his clamp when he was called on set for ROTJ?

I just read a passage in the new STW archives book from Paul Duncan that during the Vader/Obi duel they switched from a spinning blade to a static blade for Vader, because they were not able to hide the cables on Vader.

Is it safe to say that the Yuma "hero" was cleaned up, repainted and outfitted with a special control box for the cave and ISYHCANL scene? Means there was only one ROTJ "hero" made, and the total count of Luke ROTJ is three (V2, V3 and hero)? (and yes, I was referring to the "Elstree reveal" when I spoke of that special ROTJ saber that was supposedly produced by Norank Engineering/Elstree Props for the lighsaber built/cave scene).

Have a look at the following pic and check the part in the video:

Hamill ist clearly twisting the emitter during the interview. This could imply that the emitter was able to spin.

Just some observations. And we're getting closer and closer. Great discussion!

 

[vadermania]

1. ANH 2.ESB training

Do you see what I see?

Could this be the same saber?

 

[Joek3rr]

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1. ANH 2.ESB training

Do you see what I see?

Might be a trick of the light, but I see a silver "booster" section.

 

[Halliwax]

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1. ANH 2.ESB training

Do you see what I see?

Could this be the same saber?

Where did the second photo come from? I don’t believe I’ve ever seen it

 

[vadermania]

Where did the second photo come from? I don’t believe I’ve ever seen it

I grabbed it from behind the scenes footage from ESB, Bob Anderson and Mark Hamill rehearsing.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

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1. ANH 2.ESB training

Do you see what I see?

Could this be the same saber?

I believe the following...

Pic #1 with the more muddy colored windvane and black booster (and crooked appearance here) is the V2. As I have said previously, I believe the booster was covered in tape, for comfort at some time, and then ripped off after the sandstorm scene in Jedi (which still had a very black appearing booster at the time), leaving the chipped paint remnants we see on the V2 now.

See my explanation and simulation of this issue with the V2 under this separate thread: ESB making of doc

Pic#2 this stunt saber, with the seemingly paintless booster, and the with the more coppery colored neck is the V3.

Also, I believe that the V3 was always a non-spinning dueling rod (like Vader’s ANH Saber) while the V2 was the spinning version of the Kenobi Saber.

 

[vadermania]

I know it's not the best comparison, please excuse my limited photoshop skills. What I'm trying to illustrate here is that the top disc of the V2 emitter is smaller in diameter compared to the top disc of the V3.