Gino ANH Helmet...cast from the original?
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So that's that then. More time to read that 'who's got the best Vader' 82 page humdinger thread that popped up a couple of days ago. I say it's this guy.
Cat's out the bag Gino.
( Apologies to the owner of this photo I can't recall the TPD thread it was on but will remove if needed )
Cat's out the bag Gino.
( Apologies to the owner of this photo I can't recall the TPD thread it was on but will remove if needed )
SHENANIGANS! I CALL SHENANIGANS! Davys Jones, Qui-Gonzalez, exoray, and Darth Detroit, don't you dare try to blind us with your logic, reason, and sensibility! Clear "proof" was shown in the first post by someone with no grudges, jealousy or ax to grind. How dare you come in here and try to muddy the waters with pics showing similarities? It has already been established, from the top of the mountain, that Gino's helmet lacks all kinds of authenticating details. I call for the mods to forcibly remove Davy's photos showing otherwise on the grounds that it completely crushes and invalidates the first post in this thread!!!lol:lol
lollol:lolSo that's that then. More time to read that 'who's got the best Vader' 82 page humdinger thread that popped up a couple of days ago. I say it's this guy.
Cat's out the bag Gino.
( Apologies to the owner of this photo I can't recall the TPD thread it was on but will remove if needed )
Don't laugh, I used to have that same lightsaber! That was one of the very first lightsaber toys available the winter of 1978. I got one for Christmas.
oh, and the Vader helmet debate is still lame. :thumbsup
Qui-Gonzalez
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Not as lame as the whistling sound that "saber" used to make. Man, you had to damn near whip that thing around, if it is the same one I had.Don't laugh, I used to have that same lightsaber! That was one of the very first lightsaber toys available the winter of 1978. I got one for Christmas.
oh, and the Vader helmet debate is still lame. :thumbsup
No, this one didn't whistle, it lit up. It was a slashlight with different colored gel's to make the blade different colors!
I could have easily started this thread on TPD but I thought it would be fairer to post here since Gino is here and he can have a fair say on it. It would be unfair if I post about his helmet on TPD where he cannot speak to my comments about it.
There used to be serious Vader discussions here but they moved over to the TPD and it's pretty obvious based on the caliber of comments here why that is the case. It seems like many here just like to post nonsense when they have nothing else substantive or constructive to contribute to a thread. And you guys say I am baiting? Your comments do nothing but...their only purpose is to insult. My purpose is to question the validity of Gino's claims, pure and simple.
If you post a comparison of the VP mask next to Gino's and use that as evidence that Gino's is cast from the original production mold or that it is cast DIRECTLY from the screen-used helmet, then it's a lost cause. And that was not my comparison.
Clearly there is no serious interest here in terms of what makes an authentic Vader helmet or not. I have no problem with Gino's ANH Vader or his helmet, but I do have a problem with the claims he makes about it. But based on the comments here it's pretty clear that no one takes seriously authenticity or the basis for such claims.
There used to be serious Vader discussions here but they moved over to the TPD and it's pretty obvious based on the caliber of comments here why that is the case. It seems like many here just like to post nonsense when they have nothing else substantive or constructive to contribute to a thread. And you guys say I am baiting? Your comments do nothing but...their only purpose is to insult. My purpose is to question the validity of Gino's claims, pure and simple.
If you post a comparison of the VP mask next to Gino's and use that as evidence that Gino's is cast from the original production mold or that it is cast DIRECTLY from the screen-used helmet, then it's a lost cause. And that was not my comparison.
Clearly there is no serious interest here in terms of what makes an authentic Vader helmet or not. I have no problem with Gino's ANH Vader or his helmet, but I do have a problem with the claims he makes about it. But based on the comments here it's pretty clear that no one takes seriously authenticity or the basis for such claims.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
No Thomas, people are not interested in your flawed comparisons, nor your witch hunts. It was obvious from the outset of this thread that you were out for one thing only...
Face it, "discussions" like the one you tried to start are not wanted here because they always devolve. We've seen it before and you tried to do it again. Yes, I jumped to GINO's defense here because in MY opinion, his helmets have provenance. The same levels of provenance that the TM and VP have, in my opinion. Hell, GINO's helmets share more in common with than against a screen accurate helmet.
If this comparison had come from someone other than the "We Hate GINO" crowd, it MAY have had some weight behind it. The previously posted comparison by Davy, which he snagged from the Den, shoots down this whole thread.
I'm not interested in arguing with people personally but you leave me no choice. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to what makes a helmet authentic or not. You post nothing to indicate your knowledge of that and all you do is attack my comments no matter what the thread. Gino's helmet (dome) is so obviously a GH or Jeff style helmet in it's shape and symmetry and softness. You have no idea about the fine details that should be on an original or cast from original helmet. You don't own a VP, you don't own a TM, and even if you did have something close to the original you provide nothing to indicate your knowledge of that. So how can you say anything about the provenance of the Gino helmet?
All you do is waste people's time arguing about motives. If you don't like the thread you don't have to post in it. But I am raising a valid point about Gino's claim of authenticity. If I posted my helmets here and said they come from the original production mold I would be the laughing stock. But when Gino does it and someone questions it, then it's considered baiting.
Darth Detroit
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Twizler anyone?
Thomas,
In all seriousness, I am no Vader expert and never will be. I don't have a dog in this fight, aside from being annoyed by the BS here. However, can you honestly say your intentions here were pure? Gino-Haters, Inc has been stirred up by the introduction of his website and forum and the timing and style of this attack... err... thread... would be hard to be seen in any other light than as a weak attempt to knock Gino down a notch.
In your effort to knock Gino down, don't insult the rest of this board by implying it doesn't take Vader seriously... it doesn't take threads like this seriously, because people aren't stupid and see right through the veil of BS you are trying to hide behind.
At the same time, don't try to paint The Prop Den as the pinnacle of serious prop discussion. The only reason you feel that way is because you guys have managed to cull the "experts" to those who stroke each others egos and agree with one another.
Sorry everyone here didn't just swallow what you had to say hook like and sinker, but what did you expect when the green overshadowed every flawed comparison you posted?
In all seriousness, I am no Vader expert and never will be. I don't have a dog in this fight, aside from being annoyed by the BS here. However, can you honestly say your intentions here were pure? Gino-Haters, Inc has been stirred up by the introduction of his website and forum and the timing and style of this attack... err... thread... would be hard to be seen in any other light than as a weak attempt to knock Gino down a notch.
In your effort to knock Gino down, don't insult the rest of this board by implying it doesn't take Vader seriously... it doesn't take threads like this seriously, because people aren't stupid and see right through the veil of BS you are trying to hide behind.
At the same time, don't try to paint The Prop Den as the pinnacle of serious prop discussion. The only reason you feel that way is because you guys have managed to cull the "experts" to those who stroke each others egos and agree with one another.
Sorry everyone here didn't just swallow what you had to say hook like and sinker, but what did you expect when the green overshadowed every flawed comparison you posted?
And the fact that the Gino ANH helmet (dome) looks like a Ghosthost helmet is proof itself that it couldn't be cast from the original production mold or the screen helmet. And I had the 1st pull VP and no one, not even the owner of the VP master, claimed or claims that it came from the original ANH production mold or was cast directly off the screen ANH helmet. So where is your logic? So if Gino's mask is derived from a VP or VP-like casting, that by itself is also proof that it wasn't cast directly from the screen ANH mask or from the original ANH production mold.
This isn't rocket science. We are not talking about minute details here.
Do you even know anything about the original ANH production mold for the Vader helmet? It wasn't even used to make the fiberglass castings, it was used to make the plaster masters which then served as the templates for molds used to make the fiberglass castings. So if Gino is saying his helmet came from the same mold that made the plaster masters he doesn't know what he's talking about because even the screen helmet didn't come from that mold...
This isn't rocket science. We are not talking about minute details here.
Do you even know anything about the original ANH production mold for the Vader helmet? It wasn't even used to make the fiberglass castings, it was used to make the plaster masters which then served as the templates for molds used to make the fiberglass castings. So if Gino is saying his helmet came from the same mold that made the plaster masters he doesn't know what he's talking about because even the screen helmet didn't come from that mold...
Darth Detroit
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Seriously though.
When I first started out in this hobby, it ws something TOTALLy differnt than what it is now.
If Gino has authentic masks, then fine, he has authentic masks. He couldnt make that claim 10 years ago. People would have thought he was some whack job NUB.:lol
Proof is in the pudding.
I'm convinced Gino has something of GREAt value, and I'm not just tlaking $$$!
I'm talking the Holy Grail to some.
Would I reveal MY sources?
No. I dont have to, unless it's a witch hunt.
When I first started out in this hobby, it ws something TOTALLy differnt than what it is now.
If Gino has authentic masks, then fine, he has authentic masks. He couldnt make that claim 10 years ago. People would have thought he was some whack job NUB.:lol
Proof is in the pudding.
I'm convinced Gino has something of GREAt value, and I'm not just tlaking $$$!
I'm talking the Holy Grail to some.
Would I reveal MY sources?
No. I dont have to, unless it's a witch hunt.
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
Those are 2 differnt masks.
His website started up. He posted his claims. I will address them. It's very simple. Why should I wait? People didn't wait when SDS put up his website to question his claims. It's no different. Gino knocked himself down by making such claims. I don't hate anyone, but I will address claims that make no sense based on what a casting looks like.
It doesn't and the board is a reflection of itself simply in regard to the caliber of comments I've seen in this thread. If you are so sure about the veil of BS why don't you enlighten me exactly what I am hiding.
No, it is not the pinnacle....I meant that it is impossible to have a serious discussion here with so many people jabbering in their pointless comments without contributing anything constructive to the discussion. And we fight plenty and disagree plenty on TPD. But it's a heck of a lot easier to discuss something there than here.
This is a place to discuss props and prop replicas. If you like to assume things about people's motives go right ahead.
Fine, I respect your opinion and unlike some here I won't insult you for stating them.
If you think that his helmet is authentic, why don't you show us why you think that.
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
I dont know what youre looking at. But I see 2 differnt masks. The necks are differnt, the center ridge is differnt, the mounting is differnt.......
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
I dont have to.
I'm not going to post comparison pictures and diagrams with lines, and start that crap. Its stupid.
Well it's so nice to see you aren't insulting about it. :lol
Well if it is so stupid then let's reflect a moment on your assessment of the two masks being dissimilar. Maybe you should try to post a "stupid" comparison and then you might make more accurate assessments of what is similar and what is not.
I can compare any angle I want of the VP and Gino's mask. Yes the VP is the most likely candidate source and given the timing of when it was offered and when Gino finally got a half decent mask it's not surprising. But the more that Gino's mask seems to be a VP casting or copy of a VP casting, all the more evidence of it being not from the original production ANH mold or cast directly from a screen-used mask. Note for example the notch I indicate is shallower on Gino's than the VP. It should be deeper if it was cast from an original.
Also Gino should know where to put the paint blemish demarcation on Vader's right cheek, but he doesn't. It's in the wrong position, indicating he doesn't have access to an original.
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Darth Detroit
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:rolleyes
Comon man.
You changed the pictures.
But since you did, I'll look at them...
But lets get this straight for the record.
Youre saying that Gino's mask/helmet is actually a VP pull? Right?confused
Comon man.
You changed the pictures.
But since you did, I'll look at them...
But lets get this straight for the record.
Youre saying that Gino's mask/helmet is actually a VP pull? Right?
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