firesprite
Master Member
I find it fun when writers comment on other media they love... and I would SO be there for King Tyrion, first of his name...
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I find it fun when writers comment on other media they love... and I would SO be there for King Tyrion, first of his name...
Bigdaddy
Master Member
As much as I love the first 25 or so books of King's, GOT reminds me of how the Dark Tower series fell apart after the first 4 books.
I'm not hopeful about GRRM finishing his books, if he does I doubt I'll bother with them. I read the first one over twenty years ago, I stopped reading fiction about 10 years ago with the exception of A Song of Ice and Fire. At this point I'm no longer a captive audience, especially since after waiting years for A Dance with Dragons, it was kind of underwhelming (IMO). It's too bad he didn't "strike while the iron was hot" both for his readers and for his own momentum writing.
I'm disappointed with the writing this season but overall I'm alright with enjoying the journey even if the destination isn't great.
Doesn't it just suck to invest years of your life loving characters and stories only to have the creators just stop caring about the fans and delivering crap content? The beginning starts off strong and leaves so much potential for the conclusion only to have it fall flat in the end.
Now GOT fans know how many Star Wars fans feel. Sucks doesn't it?
Now GOT fans know how many Star Wars fans feel. Sucks doesn't it?
firesprite
Master Member
You're assuming the venn diagram for those fandoms is two separate circles when it's closer to a single one.
True. I think it's just the case with many uber passionate fandoms who are so invested and the creators not delivering. It's just a shame that it's affected this property too from what I'm reading. I have no investment whatsoever in GOT. I just hate to see that the content is in decline based on what people have told me.
Laspector
Master Member
Just to change the subject a tad here, it just boggles my mind how any of these (fictional and real) patriarchal-royal bloodline monarchies ever seem to get anywhere. What kind of idiotic society would give a child absolute power over the entire civilized world just because of their "royal" blood? Just makes no sense to me. Yet many societies throughout history have operated this way. How can anyone be that stupid? I might could understand it back in the day when maybe people thought their rulers were gods, still stupid, but I get it. But after that, what did people really think blood had to do with anything regarding ruling?
Cersei only gets the throne after both her barely teenage sons are dead. Not that she is a great Queen, but why not just give it to her in the first place? Did anyone really think Goffrey would be anything but a megalomaniac? At least Tomlin seemed like a decent human being, but why not just give it to the adult to begin with. Did people really think letting a child rule was a good thing?
I also realize that women were pretty much treated like **** throughout history, but just having a dick is better credentials than age and wisdom?
Some of you History buffs help me out here.
Cersei only gets the throne after both her barely teenage sons are dead. Not that she is a great Queen, but why not just give it to her in the first place? Did anyone really think Goffrey would be anything but a megalomaniac? At least Tomlin seemed like a decent human being, but why not just give it to the adult to begin with. Did people really think letting a child rule was a good thing?
I also realize that women were pretty much treated like **** throughout history, but just having a dick is better credentials than age and wisdom?
Some of you History buffs help me out here.
firesprite
Master Member
Yeah... I got nothing. It becomes even more idiotic when you look at Ancient Egypt which has seen a handful of women who took power and ruled as pharaoh in their own right and from the records we have, did a far better job of it than the men that preceded or succeeded them did.
Well, you do have the fact that both in GOT and in our own history, most of these societies were largely uneducated\illiterate. Its significantly easier to subjugate people if they're poor and uneducated.
The male vs female thing would take someone more gifted than me to explain. I'm sure there's a Radiolab podcast explaining it all.
The male vs female thing would take someone more gifted than me to explain. I'm sure there's a Radiolab podcast explaining it all.
Darth Fetty
Sr Member
They didn't know any better. They would have had no concept of any other system outside of this and accepted it as reality. These families were also often religiously ordained as well, so with the approval of God, the average folks wouldn't have wanted to challenge it.
Grey
Sr Member
I'm fine with the direction of the story, they just needed more time to explore it. At the very least, 7 & 8 should have been full length seasons, but apparently they didn't even want to go to 8.
Some people are going to be unhappy no matter what you do, especially when they spend years putting themselves into characters and theories that may not line up with where the story is actually headed, people get too worked up about theories that may not be true.
For example, i've seen many people complaining that Jon didn't duel the Night King, and frankly i'm glad he didn't. But no matter what you do with the show, those people are still going to be unhappy because they were either led to believe or allowed themselves to believe that the story had to play out that way.
Seems pretty obnoxious to make that statement about something you're not invested in simply based on what other people have complained about.
Some people are going to be unhappy no matter what you do, especially when they spend years putting themselves into characters and theories that may not line up with where the story is actually headed, people get too worked up about theories that may not be true.
For example, i've seen many people complaining that Jon didn't duel the Night King, and frankly i'm glad he didn't. But no matter what you do with the show, those people are still going to be unhappy because they were either led to believe or allowed themselves to believe that the story had to play out that way.
Seems pretty obnoxious to make that statement about something you're not invested in simply based on what other people have complained about.
So, back on topic, I keep hearing this next episode is supposed to feature a truly epic battle. Even thought I absolutely hate what they're doing with Daenerys' character, I'm wondering what will happen to her. How will she react when she finds out Varys wants to betray her? Will Tyrion tell her or will she find out for herself? I really hope they don't turn her into the "mad queen". We already have one of those.
firesprite
Master Member
Dude, they kept telling us that the Battle of Winterfell would make the Red Wedding "look like a rehearsal dinner". I have NO faith in their hype machine.
Being from a nation that has centuries of monarchy, I think I can add relevant info based on the history of the countries within it.
TL;DR: Eldest surviving male heir, automatically ascends to the throne, no matter their age.
Generally in the UK's constituent nations (before and after the Act of Union) it wasn't that common for children to come into the throne. Those who did, would've had either a regent or advisor, who would effectively wield the power of the crown, and teach the monarch how to govern etc.
This didn't always work well, due to the infighting between the nobility vying for power. Also there would normally be claimants, from deposed royal families, or members of the monarch's family. This was especially true when the English King would have lands like Normandy or Aquitane that brothers would inherit instead of them. For example, William II was the younger brother of the Duke of Normandy. William II then mysteriously was shot by an arrow whilst hunting.
Until recently, male primogeniture was in effect for how the crown passed on. Therefore the eldest surviving male son, automatically became King, no matter what. Edward VI, became king as soon as Henry VIII died, despite having two elder sisters. One of whom did end up being considered one of the greatest english monarchs ever. The law was changed recently when Prince William was expecting his first child, so that if it had been a girl, she would've been his heir automatically, rather than any subsequent male siblings.
I've made this comment rather simplistic and missed out lots of history, and info like how Wales and Scotland's history of monarchy, law and how it ties into the English and subsequent UK monarchy. I've also refrained from giving loads of other examples etc, so as to not create a huge essay.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
I'm guessing you, like myself, were born and raised in the good ol' USA.
Now consider the last 200+ years in the USA is nearly the exception. We fought a war for independence from a Monarchy and set up one of the first successful Constitutional Republics (note I didn't say democracy).
As someone else said, going back in history most of mankind was uneducated and illiterate . Those with wealth and religion had all the power.
Reminder Varys' riddle to Tyrion? One of my favorites from the show. A great illustration.
“Three great men sit in a room, a king, a priest and the rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives? Who dies?”
Not many men figured out the power if the sword!
firesprite
Master Member
This was shared over on io9 and holy hell, it is ominous as ****. My husband says it should be titled "Cersei Wins the Game"
Monkey67
Sr Member
I have always thought that the mountain is still under his command. He just lets her play with him.
He told a lie to Bronn to get him to kill the brothers. Since I doubt cersi would ever kill Jamie unless he is choking that bitch out. Plus she could of had Tyrion killed at the wall. Yes I know she wants to kill him to a point. But idk if she could for sure.
Q was almost taken out by the Lannister’s and the mountain in season 2. Rob and the starks saved his butt. So what’s the best way to get revenge? Always gain the ones trust so that you can really F up their day in the end. They’ll never see it coming.
Ok that the end of crazy talk. Enjoy the show and try not to break things.
