Now that I rethought it, this could totally backfire and they end up covering me in penises.
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Now that I rethought it, this could totally backfire and they end up covering me in penises.
PotionMistress
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This may interest GoT prop enthusiasts:
https://winteriscoming.net/2017/07/27/game-of-thrones-sculptor-making-balerion-dragon-skull/
https://winteriscoming.net/2017/07/27/game-of-thrones-sculptor-making-balerion-dragon-skull/
The Iron Born took her alive and I'm sure she'll be delivered to Cersei mostly alive. Probably not in such good shape, though. I guarantee neither she nor Ellaria survive the season. Thats not a spoiler. Its just how the showrunners are dealing with having screwed up Dorne so badly.
Monkey67
Sr Member
Things are not looking good for those two..three chicks. tyene might get saved for a little while if Bronn is there when the pirate rejects of Starbucks arrive at kings landing. But I doubt that she will last long. Could be a daughter for daughter instead of an eye for an eye at court.
Solo4114
Master Member
To be fair, it may be that Martin himself screwed up Dorne. Realistically, the Dornish subplot isn't that big of a deal, I think.
For those who know the books and background of the story:
Dorne itself is one of the 7 kingdoms, and therefore is a hugely important factor in any conquest of Westeros. It was also the final kingdom to bend the knee, and even then, it did so only under certain circumstances, which is why the Martells still refer to themselves as Princes/Princesses. In other words, they are permitted to retain a degree of royalty, whereas every other former king just became a Lord.
So, someone getting Dorne on their side is a major deal, just as it would be to get any of the rulers of the 7 kingdoms on your side. In that sense, the Dornish are important. However, there's the whole subplot with the three sisters plotting revenge against Cersei for the death of their father, and botching the job (which leads to Myrcella's mutilation, but NOT HER DEATH -- so far), and Doran Martell's plot to marry a son to Dany (which also goes poorly) and support the Targaeryans again. The Dornish have been staunch loyalists to the Targaeryan crown since the Blackfyre rebellions, and secretly have remained loyal since then. They bent the knee to Robert Baratheon, but only after losing the war against him. And Oberyn's (and Doran's) sister and children were (supposedly) murdered by Lannister troops, specifically the Mountain.
Doran is supposedly playing the long game in the books, whereas in the show...they just didn't know what the hell to do with him. The problem is that the "long game" in the books involves the (maybe fake?) Aegon VI, who is coming to Westeros with the Golden Company and several other companies of sellswords. It's his retainer who has the greyscale affliction, not Jorah. So there's like an entirely different faction that the show just...cut out . And, aside from the showrunners, nobody knows where that story is going -- although it stands to reason that the answer is "He loses, his guys die, and that's that."
But because the whole Aegon VI storyline is cut out of the show, there's basically nothing for the Dornish to do except plot, pose, and screw up and die.
So, someone getting Dorne on their side is a major deal, just as it would be to get any of the rulers of the 7 kingdoms on your side. In that sense, the Dornish are important. However, there's the whole subplot with the three sisters plotting revenge against Cersei for the death of their father, and botching the job (which leads to Myrcella's mutilation, but NOT HER DEATH -- so far), and Doran Martell's plot to marry a son to Dany (which also goes poorly) and support the Targaeryans again. The Dornish have been staunch loyalists to the Targaeryan crown since the Blackfyre rebellions, and secretly have remained loyal since then. They bent the knee to Robert Baratheon, but only after losing the war against him. And Oberyn's (and Doran's) sister and children were (supposedly) murdered by Lannister troops, specifically the Mountain.
Doran is supposedly playing the long game in the books, whereas in the show...they just didn't know what the hell to do with him. The problem is that the "long game" in the books involves the (maybe fake?) Aegon VI, who is coming to Westeros with the Golden Company and several other companies of sellswords. It's his retainer who has the greyscale affliction, not Jorah. So there's like an entirely different faction that the show just...cut out . And, aside from the showrunners, nobody knows where that story is going -- although it stands to reason that the answer is "He loses, his guys die, and that's that."
But because the whole Aegon VI storyline is cut out of the show, there's basically nothing for the Dornish to do except plot, pose, and screw up and die.
GRRM may have screwed up Dorne. We won't know yet until he gets around to finishing these damn books (which I love). The showrunners definitely did screw it up, though.
We'll see how Aegon VI and Dorne fit into the Dany's eventual return to Westeros in the books. Right now Doran's plot doesn't include Aegon VI because I don't believe he is aware of his existence. Aegon VI is all Varys' and Iilyrio's machinations. Wouldnt it be insane if Aegon VI ends up conquering Westeros and Dany never even makes it back in the books? Or the fan theory that Aegon VI isn't even a real Targ to begin with could end up being true.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
Question: they left it ambiguous: did Arya kill the Lannister soldiers, or leave them alive? A friend is certain she killed them, but I'm hoping she's more selective than that, given how little the guys wanted to be there.
kibosh
Sr Member
The showrunners had a loose outline of what was going to happen from the very beginning, did they not? I have to believe Dorne has a larger part to play yet, or else why even bother with them at all, and waste the screen time.
As it stands now, you could completely eliminate anything Dorne related from the show, and it would not change the story at all.
As it stands now, you could completely eliminate anything Dorne related from the show, and it would not change the story at all.
I think we are done with Dorne at this point except maybe for them committing troops to the cause and being one more army to march on Kings Landing.
The show had to include the Oberyn stuff as that was integral to the story. After that I think they needed a reason to kill off Myrcella to help fulfill that part of Cersei's prophecy
Once that's out of that way Dorne can pretty much be written out of the show
To me the entire point of that scene was so that we see Arya learning that just because someone wears the Lannister colors and fights for them, doesnt make them evil. She saw how they're just regular people who, for the most part, don't even care about the squabbles between the great houses, but are forced to take part. So, no, she didn't kill them. Also if you watch the Game of Thrones Inside the Episode show on YouTube, they explicitly say this was the point they were trying to make.
kristen jones
Master Member
^^This.
I have loved watching Arya grow...and I particularly got this vibe as well...that she decided to spare them as they were not inherently evil.
Blind vengence isn't at all convincing or particularly entertaining. The fact that she is learning the difference is what i have loved about her arc thusfar.
I have loved watching Arya grow...and I particularly got this vibe as well...that she decided to spare them as they were not inherently evil.
Blind vengence isn't at all convincing or particularly entertaining. The fact that she is learning the difference is what i have loved about her arc thusfar.
Regarding Arya, I'm just afraid that the scene with Nymeria is going to somehow foreshadow her own journey. I'm sure she'll return to Winterfell for the reunion with Jon, Sansa, and Bran, but I feel like something will happen to make her realize that "that's not her". Maybe she'll end up joining whats left of the Brotherhood Without Banners and stay with them.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
I like it.
firesprite
Master Member
I think that's probably what will happen, to be honest. Arya is never going to be content to be Arya Stark of Winterfell any more. She's seen too much. Done too much. She was never particularly comfortable with it to begin with, but her gains in capability and independence will prevent her from being content in her ancestral hall.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
Diana Rigg was, as usual, awesome.
kibosh
Sr Member
What was so integral about it? It led to the death of the Mountain and his reanimation, but they could have written into another character's story.
And the death of Cersei's daughter could have come from another character.
As it stands, they spent hours of screen time introducing and developing an entire kingdom to kill two characters.
Has Dorne directly impacted anything else?
kibosh
Sr Member
I would love to see someone go back to the beginning of the series and do a population census, and show the decline over the years. I bet the population had been reduced by half over 6 years of war. The armies were MUCH bigger in the beginning. With all the men off to war, the birth rate should have slowed way down. And with all the bandits on the road, I would think most settlements outside the biggest cities have been wiped out.
Whoever wins the throne will have a much smaller Kingdom than Robert.
Whoever wins the throne will have a much smaller Kingdom than Robert.
