Game of Thrones
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Did anyone else hear that fan theory that Hodor has the same power as Bran? He was using it on a horse when the horse was killed, so the horse is stuck inside him. That's why he only says "Hodor" which was the horse's name. :lol My sister told me that one today.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
The animal warged into doesn't swap minds, it's just shunted aside and shares the body. Otherwise Bran's body would be all snarly and tongue-wagging when he warged into Summer.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
It's going good so far, but I'm slightly disappointed they curtailed Arya's story. I was looking forward to her seeing things through the cat's eyes.
So... Melisandre asks Jon Snow what he experienced while dead... He responds "Nothing. I saw nothing."
Huh, I guess Ygritte was precognitively right. He really DOES know nothing now...
Huh, I guess Ygritte was precognitively right. He really DOES know nothing now...
Solo4114
Master Member
I would think that Rhaegar could've possibly found a pliable septon that he could convince to divorce him from Elia and then marry him to Lyanna, all largely in secret. Regardless, even as a *******, he could still be legitimized by royal decree...say....by his Aunt-wife, perhaps? And anyway, you're dealing with a period of general unrest. Multiple parties have claimed the throne on multiple different grounds. Even Robert's claim was fairly weak (within the lore, anyway) and based on matrilineal connections to the Targaryens through his grandmother, and yet he managed to rule legitimately.
Plus, with the church in such a state of upheaval at the moment with the High Sparrow running the show, who knows how bound by the laws of the Faith of the Seven any future monarch will be? He may be a scheming liar, but Littlefinger was right about one thing: chaos is a ladder. Likewise, the High Sparrow has proven an age-old unspoken law of medival rule: supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Wait. I mean not from some abstract, arbitrary law.
Put simply, if the people want Jon, and the nobles want Jon, then Jon can be considered legitimate. Even if he's Jon Waters, those issues can be remedied.
After all, William of Normandy was also known as William the *******.
Plus, with the church in such a state of upheaval at the moment with the High Sparrow running the show, who knows how bound by the laws of the Faith of the Seven any future monarch will be? He may be a scheming liar, but Littlefinger was right about one thing: chaos is a ladder. Likewise, the High Sparrow has proven an age-old unspoken law of medival rule: supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Wait. I mean not from some abstract, arbitrary law.
Put simply, if the people want Jon, and the nobles want Jon, then Jon can be considered legitimate. Even if he's Jon Waters, those issues can be remedied.
After all, William of Normandy was also known as William the *******.
Reelo
Sr Member
Wasn't he also called William Lackland before he became a conqueror?
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Lord Boron
Sr Member
They did a great job casting the young Ned Stark. Just by looking at him you know excactly who he's suppose to be.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
Right? I was thinking that same thing...
I'm hoping that Smalljon Umber is just a substitute for Wyman Manderly in the show and we'll still see the Grand Northern Conspiracy in some fashion. Otherwise I hate to see what Ramsay does to poor Rickon. It'll make what Theon pretended to do look like child's play. And I can't believe another of the Stark direwolves is gone. Damn.
I agree about Arya. All that build up revolving around her training to fight blind, I was anticipating seeing her utilize that sixth sense in battle against a real adversary. And then boom, the moment she gets one hit on her sparring partner, her sight is restored. Not a big deal, just kinda like, what was all that for?
Is it me, or is the storytelling weak this season compared to seasons past? I find myself bored oftentimes, watching this new season. And btw, is this the first season that does not follow Martin's storytelling? If so, that's probably why I feel its quality has dropped off. Anyone know?
The Wook
Reelo
Sr Member
Yes and no. First of all, the showmakers have always taken certain liberties while adapting from book to screen (as is often the case, mind you). Last season already, certain characters' stories had advanced past their book equivalents, this season, I'd say 95% of the stuff is new even to book readers. The remaining 5% is stuff they cjose to hold back for pacing or surprise value, or stuff which is hinted at or strongly expected to happen in the upcoming books anyway. Bear in mind though that GRRM allegedly told D&D how he intends to wrap everything up in the end. So books and show are supposed to converge again at some point near the end, but until then, how they get there might differ more or less considerably.
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Solo4114
Master Member
There have actually been a whole bunch of differences between the books and the show in each season.
Examples:
Season 1:
- The scene between Robert and Cersei, talking about their marriage (one of my favs in the first season) never happened in the book.
- Ros isn't a character.
Season 2:
- Amory Lorch ends up being killed in the bear pit in the books, whereas in the show, Jaquen H'gar kills him.
- No appearance by Vargo Hoat (he's replaced by that guy from the Dreadfort who cuts of Jaime's hand).
- No appearance by Patchface or Jinglebell (the show does not suffer fools).
- Shae is never really in love with Tyrion, although he's in love with her.
Season 3:
- Robb's wife is completely different. (In the books, she's Jeyne Westerling, and she's still very much alive.)
- The Smalljon Umber gets beheaded at the Red Wedding. The Greatjon (who in the show had his fingers bitten off by Robb's wolf) survives and remains in captivity at The Twins with the Freys.
- Lady Stoneheart appears.
- The whole sequence at the Eyrie with Sansa and Littlefinger is DRAMATICALLY different. Littlefinger seems determined to CONTROL the Eyrie as his power base, rather than leaving and taking Sansa north (at least as of Book 3).
Season 4:
- This isn't exactly a "deviation" from the books, but the show starts to outpace the books and add in more scenes (e.g. much of what happens to Theon in this season doesn't appear in Book 4 at all). Actually, Theon's stuff might've started as early as Season 3.
- The timing of other events carries over from book 3 (e.g. the "Purple Wedding" where Joffrey dies). Also the sequence of certain events is a bit different (I think Jaime and Cersei have their tryst at the Sept of Baelor at a different point, and it's much more obviously consensual -- although it's still from Jaime's perspective -- than the controversial episode on the show).
Season 5:
- Tyrion's trip to Mereen is COMPLETELY different. He joins up with different people who don't appear at all in the books (Griff/Jon Connington, young Griff/Aegon VI?, a septa who may or may not be one of the Dayne sisters, etc.).
- Quentin Martell and his companions appear.
- Barristan Selmy is still very much alive, and ruling Mereen.
- Tyrion never meets: anyone at Mereen nor Jorah Mormont.
- Jorah Mormont is completely missing.
- All of Dany's stuff in Mereen that we see in the show in Season 4 is actually from Book 5.
- Brienne's journey is TOTALLY different (and kinda pointless).
- Book 5 contains all of Arya's training at the House of Black and White, which is also very different
And so on, and so forth. I'm sure I missed MANY points.
Put simply, the books and the show are two very similar but totally separate universes. I'd say at this point that the broad stroke of the plot points corresponds or each, and the "end states" also correspond, but the path between a major plot point and an end point may be different, and many of the plot points are changed to "fit" the show. Often with condensing characters and storylines.
This season is, as said, about 95% new to people. Much has been speculated that came to pass on the show, but we're past the books almost completely. I think the only stuff from the books at this point is some of Sam's journey to Oldtown, but if memory serves, his journey itself was different, too. Oh, there's another difference. "Baby Sam" is a pile of ashes because he was burned as a sacrifice by Melisandre after Mance Rayder's son was swapped out for him. Needless to say, Gilly isn't very happy.
Examples:
Season 1:
- The scene between Robert and Cersei, talking about their marriage (one of my favs in the first season) never happened in the book.
- Ros isn't a character.
Season 2:
- Amory Lorch ends up being killed in the bear pit in the books, whereas in the show, Jaquen H'gar kills him.
- No appearance by Vargo Hoat (he's replaced by that guy from the Dreadfort who cuts of Jaime's hand).
- No appearance by Patchface or Jinglebell (the show does not suffer fools).
- Shae is never really in love with Tyrion, although he's in love with her.
Season 3:
- Robb's wife is completely different. (In the books, she's Jeyne Westerling, and she's still very much alive.)
- The Smalljon Umber gets beheaded at the Red Wedding. The Greatjon (who in the show had his fingers bitten off by Robb's wolf) survives and remains in captivity at The Twins with the Freys.
- Lady Stoneheart appears.
- The whole sequence at the Eyrie with Sansa and Littlefinger is DRAMATICALLY different. Littlefinger seems determined to CONTROL the Eyrie as his power base, rather than leaving and taking Sansa north (at least as of Book 3).
Season 4:
- This isn't exactly a "deviation" from the books, but the show starts to outpace the books and add in more scenes (e.g. much of what happens to Theon in this season doesn't appear in Book 4 at all). Actually, Theon's stuff might've started as early as Season 3.
- The timing of other events carries over from book 3 (e.g. the "Purple Wedding" where Joffrey dies). Also the sequence of certain events is a bit different (I think Jaime and Cersei have their tryst at the Sept of Baelor at a different point, and it's much more obviously consensual -- although it's still from Jaime's perspective -- than the controversial episode on the show).
Season 5:
- Tyrion's trip to Mereen is COMPLETELY different. He joins up with different people who don't appear at all in the books (Griff/Jon Connington, young Griff/Aegon VI?, a septa who may or may not be one of the Dayne sisters, etc.).
- Quentin Martell and his companions appear.
- Barristan Selmy is still very much alive, and ruling Mereen.
- Tyrion never meets: anyone at Mereen nor Jorah Mormont.
- Jorah Mormont is completely missing.
- All of Dany's stuff in Mereen that we see in the show in Season 4 is actually from Book 5.
- Brienne's journey is TOTALLY different (and kinda pointless).
- Book 5 contains all of Arya's training at the House of Black and White, which is also very different
And so on, and so forth. I'm sure I missed MANY points.
Put simply, the books and the show are two very similar but totally separate universes. I'd say at this point that the broad stroke of the plot points corresponds or each, and the "end states" also correspond, but the path between a major plot point and an end point may be different, and many of the plot points are changed to "fit" the show. Often with condensing characters and storylines.
This season is, as said, about 95% new to people. Much has been speculated that came to pass on the show, but we're past the books almost completely. I think the only stuff from the books at this point is some of Sam's journey to Oldtown, but if memory serves, his journey itself was different, too. Oh, there's another difference. "Baby Sam" is a pile of ashes because he was burned as a sacrifice by Melisandre after Mance Rayder's son was swapped out for him. Needless to say, Gilly isn't very happy.
Yeah, Jon sent Maester Aemon with Sam to protect him from Melissandre since she was on such a kick for king's blood and he died on the way
Also that haven't touched on anything going on in old town with the appearance of a faceless man assuming someone's identity and the whole thing with the obsidian/glass candles burning and Archmaester Marwyn off to see Dany
I wonder if we will see any hints of that this season
I wonder if we will see any hints of that this season
