Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
I certainly hope not!
I certainly hope not!
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Limited Run === G R A F L E X === Flashgun Gen.2 ... now taking PRE-ORDERS!!! New Pics Oct. 5
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
I guess my thinking was this offering would fill the void of Parks no longer making accurate/functioning flash units. If these are simply to be non-working lookalikes, just the same as as Parks now plans to make, then...
I guess my thinking was this offering would fill the void of Parks no longer making accurate/functioning flash units. If these are simply to be non-working lookalikes, just the same as as Parks now plans to make, then...
2keepandbear
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
I have to ask though... What difference does the "functional" flash make? We aren't using these a flash handles, we'd be using these as light saber props right? I would certainly rather have Romans reputation and knack for detail over the shady Parks any day.
I have to ask though... What difference does the "functional" flash make? We aren't using these a flash handles, we'd be using these as light saber props right? I would certainly rather have Romans reputation and knack for detail over the shady Parks any day.
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Yes and Yes. I agree on both counts
Yes and Yes. I agree on both counts
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
+1
I really do not want to deal with Parks at all. I'd really like to get an MPP, but I don't want to go through the months and months of waiting and poor communication. I have Roman's Obi saber on the other hand; it came quickly, his communication was fantastic, and the prop is phenomenal.
+1
I really do not want to deal with Parks at all. I'd really like to get an MPP, but I don't want to go through the months and months of waiting and poor communication. I have Roman's Obi saber on the other hand; it came quickly, his communication was fantastic, and the prop is phenomenal.
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Project is alive and well!!!
I'm working overtime on these quotes. I'm likely going to have to (at least) double the size of the initial order. The tooling on this is crazy. The bulb holder & clamp are the biggest obstacles. They look easy, but I'm learning they are a real pain.
Doubling the order is going to be HUGE... I'm going to put my Mk1 kits on sale to start building up funds. The Mk1 kits will be 20% OFF!!! www.romanprops.com/kits
Project is alive and well!!!
I'm working overtime on these quotes. I'm likely going to have to (at least) double the size of the initial order. The tooling on this is crazy. The bulb holder & clamp are the biggest obstacles. They look easy, but I'm learning they are a real pain.
Doubling the order is going to be HUGE... I'm going to put my Mk1 kits on sale to start building up funds. The Mk1 kits will be 20% OFF!!! www.romanprops.com/kits
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
I do agree that ordering from Roman vs. Parks is a plus. I was just hoping that would be more of the cherry on the top—that getting a real flash to start with would be the coolest thing about this run.
And asking why a functional flash is important is like asking why Romans Obi pommels should be made in several pieces, like the real AS handwheels, instead of in one solid piece. I mean, no one will tell the difference, right, and it's being used for a lightsaber pommel and not to adjust water temperature, right? So why won't one piece suffice? Because the real ones were multipiece, that's why.
I don't just want something that looks like what Mark Hamill held. I want something that feels like what he held. When I hit a button, I want it to press and click just as it would have for him.
But that's just me.
I do agree that ordering from Roman vs. Parks is a plus. I was just hoping that would be more of the cherry on the top—that getting a real flash to start with would be the coolest thing about this run.
And asking why a functional flash is important is like asking why Romans Obi pommels should be made in several pieces, like the real AS handwheels, instead of in one solid piece. I mean, no one will tell the difference, right, and it's being used for a lightsaber pommel and not to adjust water temperature, right? So why won't one piece suffice? Because the real ones were multipiece, that's why.
I don't just want something that looks like what Mark Hamill held. I want something that feels like what he held. When I hit a button, I want it to press and click just as it would have for him.
But that's just me.
scarf man
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
The Graflex saber has no need to function as a flash as long as the moving parts on the surface all move like they are supposed to. Not to mention saving a little on the price by simplifying the manufacturing process.
That's an apples to oranges comparison. The obi saber parts are modular, so replicating the real items is necessary, replica parts need to mate with real parts and so on.
The Graflex saber has no need to function as a flash as long as the moving parts on the surface all move like they are supposed to. Not to mention saving a little on the price by simplifying the manufacturing process.
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
I agree. As someone else said, a better comparison would be if the grenade could be rigged to be launched & explode.
The hand wheels are manufactured in multiple pieces, but does that mean they can be used as originally intended?
I agree. As someone else said, a better comparison would be if the grenade could be rigged to be launched & explode.
The hand wheels are manufactured in multiple pieces, but does that mean they can be used as originally intended?
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Yes but the example I just used was of the BOTTOM of the LAST part of the Obi saber, which isn't mating with anything other than my hand (wait...why does that sound wrong...?) Couldn't the sink knob be replicated as a 2-piece unit and still attach just fine to the booster and look 100% accurate? If so, why does Roman make them as 3-piece units? And why did he originally make them as ultra-accurate 4-piece units? Because to some, it matters that the replica parts TRULY replicate the original source parts, not just in final outward appearance, but in function and assembly.
If you can't understand why that's important to some, I don't think anything I say will get the point across. You're either someone for whom replicating original function, along with form, matters, or someone for which it doesn't..
Yes but the example I just used was of the BOTTOM of the LAST part of the Obi saber, which isn't mating with anything other than my hand (wait...why does that sound wrong...?) Couldn't the sink knob be replicated as a 2-piece unit and still attach just fine to the booster and look 100% accurate? If so, why does Roman make them as 3-piece units? And why did he originally make them as ultra-accurate 4-piece units? Because to some, it matters that the replica parts TRULY replicate the original source parts, not just in final outward appearance, but in function and assembly.
If you can't understand why that's important to some, I don't think anything I say will get the point across. You're either someone for whom replicating original function, along with form, matters, or someone for which it doesn't..
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Of all the things a replica Graflex should be, a functioning flash should be the absolute last on the list. And this is coming from someone who has all real parts ANH sabers. The fact that these may not work as flashes won't make them exactly like Parks' v2 Graflex. Not even close. If you've seen the 3D renders of that product, its pretty obvious.
And comparing the flash functionality to the construction of the AS handwheel also holds no water as fabricating the replica handwheel in that fashion helps in the construction of the saber. Its not 100% necessary, but it helps for those who care about the cube position and other such things. Seeing as how no one knows whether or not the Graflexes used for filming the OT still functioned as flashes (some definitely were gutted), then this point should be moot when constructing a replica prop.
Of all the things a replica Graflex should be, a functioning flash should be the absolute last on the list. And this is coming from someone who has all real parts ANH sabers. The fact that these may not work as flashes won't make them exactly like Parks' v2 Graflex. Not even close. If you've seen the 3D renders of that product, its pretty obvious.
And comparing the flash functionality to the construction of the AS handwheel also holds no water as fabricating the replica handwheel in that fashion helps in the construction of the saber. Its not 100% necessary, but it helps for those who care about the cube position and other such things. Seeing as how no one knows whether or not the Graflexes used for filming the OT still functioned as flashes (some definitely were gutted), then this point should be moot when constructing a replica prop.
scarf man
Master Member
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
The Obi saber pommel is just not a good example. That part in particular needs to be replicated faithful to the original hand wheel in Four parts because the pommel cubes were depicted on screen in two different positions, the cap is possibly not present in some shots, and it can't be solid or the booster will not nest like it should.
I do understand why you want a replica that is accurate in every detail to a Graflex, real flashes are expensive right now. Accuracy is very important to me, but only where it concerns form and function as a prop. A broken flash and a functioning flash are Identical where props are concerned, none of the original functions of the flash have anything to do with what Mark Hamil was holding on screen.
Not to mention... Did the Icons replica of this saber Function as a flash? No. The Biskit? The Larbel? The Graflex Reborn? The many Master Replicas? No, no, no & no. Why? Because flash functionality is not important for a prop replica.
Accuracy is always going to be a sliding scale measured against cost, there is no getting around that fact in our hobby.
To you, functionality is a big deal. I'd like crazy accuracy too, how about a bulb socket made from bakelite like the originals instead of modern plastic?
I hold a different opinion than you, and it's no more/less important than yours.
Edit: Well stated @KhalDrogo
The Obi saber pommel is just not a good example. That part in particular needs to be replicated faithful to the original hand wheel in Four parts because the pommel cubes were depicted on screen in two different positions, the cap is possibly not present in some shots, and it can't be solid or the booster will not nest like it should.
I do understand why you want a replica that is accurate in every detail to a Graflex, real flashes are expensive right now. Accuracy is very important to me, but only where it concerns form and function as a prop. A broken flash and a functioning flash are Identical where props are concerned, none of the original functions of the flash have anything to do with what Mark Hamil was holding on screen.
Not to mention... Did the Icons replica of this saber Function as a flash? No. The Biskit? The Larbel? The Graflex Reborn? The many Master Replicas? No, no, no & no. Why? Because flash functionality is not important for a prop replica.
Your insinuation that I don't understand or care is insulting. I'm a cheerleader for accuracy, I've even been called an "accuracy Nazi" a few times over the years.
Accuracy is always going to be a sliding scale measured against cost, there is no getting around that fact in our hobby.
To you, functionality is a big deal. I'd like crazy accuracy too, how about a bulb socket made from bakelite like the originals instead of modern plastic?
I hold a different opinion than you, and it's no more/less important than yours.
Edit: Well stated @KhalDrogo
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Wait, how is my assertion that you don't understand why some of us want functioning flashes inaccurate? That's pretty much exactly what you're saying: that you don't understand why we want accurate flashes, right? Because such a desire is illogical according to the points you've stated. I'm simply stating the obvious: that you don't understand our desire, and therefore don't agree with it. What part of this assertion is incorrect?
That said, I never said you didn't care about the opinions of others or about accuracy in general. I've read many of your posts, and know that you do. No need to feel insulted. I certainly didn't mean to offend—just to point out we have different views that may not be easily changed by an exchange of a few posts.
And I'm not saying that your points aren't valid. At the end of the day, all of us that want functioning flashes could turn out to be an illogical bunch (your insinuations of which by way of pointing out no valid reasons exist for wanting a functioning flash could, ironically, have caused me just as much offense as what you said I was insinuating towards you—if I wanted to take such offense, which I don't). It definitely wouldn't be the first illogical desire I've had.
Even if you can shoot down the associated points from my Obi pommel example, that was just one example off the top of my head to try to explain my desire to have a functioning flash.
What if I forego examples associated with other sabers, and just say that I want to be able to say that I built my saber from a camera flash, instead of a tube replicating the appearance of a camera flash? Is that an important thing to be able to claim? I say yes. You likely disagree, which is where the fact that you, as you put it, "hold a different opinion." If you look back at the posts above, please realize that I never tried to attack the logic of your opinion. I've been instead defending the supposed lack-of-logic of mine. I have no problems with you not wanting a functioning flash.
Wait, how is my assertion that you don't understand why some of us want functioning flashes inaccurate? That's pretty much exactly what you're saying: that you don't understand why we want accurate flashes, right? Because such a desire is illogical according to the points you've stated. I'm simply stating the obvious: that you don't understand our desire, and therefore don't agree with it. What part of this assertion is incorrect?
That said, I never said you didn't care about the opinions of others or about accuracy in general. I've read many of your posts, and know that you do. No need to feel insulted. I certainly didn't mean to offend—just to point out we have different views that may not be easily changed by an exchange of a few posts.
And I'm not saying that your points aren't valid. At the end of the day, all of us that want functioning flashes could turn out to be an illogical bunch (your insinuations of which by way of pointing out no valid reasons exist for wanting a functioning flash could, ironically, have caused me just as much offense as what you said I was insinuating towards you—if I wanted to take such offense, which I don't). It definitely wouldn't be the first illogical desire I've had.
Even if you can shoot down the associated points from my Obi pommel example, that was just one example off the top of my head to try to explain my desire to have a functioning flash.
What if I forego examples associated with other sabers, and just say that I want to be able to say that I built my saber from a camera flash, instead of a tube replicating the appearance of a camera flash? Is that an important thing to be able to claim? I say yes. You likely disagree, which is where the fact that you, as you put it, "hold a different opinion." If you look back at the posts above, please realize that I never tried to attack the logic of your opinion. I've been instead defending the supposed lack-of-logic of mine. I have no problems with you not wanting a functioning flash.
stopeverything
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Mark me down as interested. Having no luck winning one of these damn eBay auctions for one!
Mark me down as interested. Having no luck winning one of these damn eBay auctions for one!
Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
Monday BUMP!!!
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Monday BUMP!!!
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cboath
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
What? The previous post 30 minutes prior wasn't enough??ninja
BTW, is mine in the mail yet?
Monday BUMP!!!
:lol
What? The previous post 30 minutes prior wasn't enough??
ninjaBTW, is mine in the mail yet?
2keepandbear
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Re: === G R A F L E X === flashgun ... anyone? **??? QUESTION ???**
You Tease!! :angry
Monday BUMP!!!
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You Tease!! :angry
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