Firefly/Serenity Zoe pistol-carbine

[pennausamike]

I started my Zoe carbine a bit ago.
Off work today so I'm staining the stocks.
This is a diecast I bought used and cut up about twenty minutes after I got it out of the box!

I'm including a close-up of how the barrel isn't a barrel under the wood of the foregrip.
So I'll have a slightly longer barrel than screen used.
I also had to make a new front barrel band to blend the the barrel/ wood a little better.

The lever action is my biggest issue.
Firefly used the loop lever, meaning I'd have to mod this one.
Serenity used a standard lever but had the meaningless brass greablie added in place of the sight.

I like the Firefly version best but don't want to mod the lever.
I just never liked the Serenity mod.
So, for my display, Zoe's carbine may be in between shows.
No greablie; replaced loop lever.

I just can't decide......

 

[Birdie]

I like the Firefly one better

I assume the Serenity greeblie is meant to be a sight, but it looks more like a shell of some kind.

 

[Sidewinder]

Both large and small loop versions appear in Firefly.

SAS

 

[pennausamike]

<div class='quotetop'>(Sidewinder @ Aug 16 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]1301631[/snapback]</div>

Both large and small loop versions appear in Firefly.

SAS
[/b]

Really.? I missed that entirely.
Any recollection which episodes had the small loop version?
There are some good screen caps on the web or
I can search my own DVD for that.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[jason1976]

Any updates? I like the idea of an in-between version. I love the prop over all, but I hate the big loop on the show version, and though I can live with it, I don't really like the greablie on top of the movie version.

If there was a small loop version, without the greablie, used in the show that would be great, but I don't know what episode it would be in.

Jason

 

[defyitall]

You can call the gun a "Mare's Leg" if you want to sound more badass. From what I've heard its the old cowboy term for a sawed off Winchester.

 

[Kaylee]

Not so much old cowboy as old Hollywood. I'd say most cowboys had better sense than to cut up a perfectly good rifle to make an inefficient sidearm.

But yeah, I think the term originated with ol' Steve McQueen hisownself.

You can buy large loop levers, but it'd cost prolly twice what your prop did.. I think $100+.

Nice piece.

 

[Krel]

A couple of years ago I read in "Guns and Ammo", that someone was actually producing working Mare's Legs from modern Winchester rifles. They were produced in .45 LC to avoid being labled as sawed-off rifles.

David.

 

[TD5422]

they have a replica on eBay

 

[Sidewinder]

That replica is wrong for both TV shows, its the correct model rifle for Firefly ('92) but has the wrong shape loop. It is the wrong rifle for Dead or Alive (should be a '73 which looks different in the receiver area).

It's just a cut down denix.

SAS

 

[Noeland]

Mike,
That looks very cool. Whether it matches exactly or not, it's the spirit of the piece & character, and this looks great. Who knows, maybe she had a few backups, and this was one of them.

Can't wait to see this sucker finished, and you have inspired me to finally get off my duff and make one of these too..

Njc------------

 

[Kaylee]

I believe McQueen did use a '92 in "Dead or Alive" -- there weren't repros back then,and original '92s were still relatively common.

But you're right in terms of the story they hadn't been invented yet. Then again... back then they were using Single Action Armys for Civil War movies to.



There's still a guy making Mare's Legs off virgin Marlin receivers I think. The trick to stay legal isn't the chambering. Either the gun can never have been a rifle, and it enters the system as a pistol, or you have to pay a $200 tax to register it as a short barrelled rifle. That's in the US anyhow - left over from when our politicos were trying to ban handguns in the 1930's after all the Capone gangland stuff.

Anyhow, I priced it out once and counting taxes, you could prolly gun a cut-down EMF or Rossi (like Zoe's) '92 all Mare's Legged out for around $700-$900, or buy one from whatshisface for around $1500.

 

[Noeland]

Also this option: $430

http://www.modelguns.co.uk/custom_randal.htm

 

[Sidewinder]

(I was refering to the ebay item, not pennausamike's replica)
According to the Firefly Companion + other sources, McQueen used a cut down '73 the same as you see in Noeland's post above. However 'cos of limited '73 availability, the Firefly prop guys cut down a Rossi '92 instead and modified the loop.

Either way i've been meaning to get a Denix 92 and do the mods too and your pics will help towards that Mike, plus can't wait to see the result..

SAS

 

[Krel]

<div class='quotetop'>(Kaylee @ Nov 15 2006, 07:03 AM) [snapback]1358028[/snapback]</div>

There's still a guy making Mare's Legs off virgin Marlin receivers I think. The trick to stay legal isn't the chambering. Either the gun can never have been a rifle, and it enters the system as a pistol, or you have to pay a $200 tax to register it as a short barrelled rifle. That's in the US anyhow - left over from when our politicos were trying to ban handguns in the 1930's after all the Capone gangland stuff.

Anyhow, I priced it out once and counting taxes, you could prolly gun a cut-down EMF or Rossi (like Zoe's) '92 all Mare's Legged out for around $700-$900, or buy one from whatshisface for around $1500.
[/b]

You're right the Mare's Legs that the man is making, or made were never rifles. But caliber does matter, if he hadn't used a pistol caliber, it would still have been considered a cut-down rifle. At least that is what the article said.

The production company for WDOA got in trouble for making the Mare's Legs, and had to pay a substantial fine, making the Mare's leg the most expensive movie, or tv prop. That is until MGM made the U.N.C.L.E. Special. :lol

David.

 

[jason1976]

I hate to ask, but are there any options for a pore guy like myself? A sort of accurate Airsoft? A kind of cheep Denix? Anything? (Sorry for the mini hijack)

BTW, I would prefer that it was the small loop version.

Jason

 

[TD5422]

you can find them cheaper but this is the first one I came across

Replica weaponry

 

[Kaylee]

<div class='quotetop'>(Krel @ Nov 15 2006, 09:27 AM) [snapback]1358069[/snapback]</div>

You're right the Mare's Legs that the man is making, or made were never rifles. But caliber does matter, if he hadn't used a pistol caliber, it would still have been considered a cut-down rifle. At least that is what the article said.
[/b]

Then either said smith wasn't in the US (I only know our laws), or the author of the article misunderstood, because the ATF regs for short barrelled rifles don't touch on chambering at all, just the length of the barrel and the overall length:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/...ist/nfa_faq.txt

That said, it's a moot point, seeing as how the '92 was designed around pistol cartridges to start with,and doesn't really have the space (or I expect the strength) to handle full power rifle cartridges.


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The production company for WDOA got in trouble for making the Mare's Legs, and had to pay a substantial fine, making the Mare's leg the most expensive movie, or tv prop. That is until MGM made the U.N.C.L.E. Special. :lol
David.
[/b]

d'oh.

So far as Wanted... goes -- I haven't seen it since reruns as a kid. The screenshots I've seen (like that above) are of the 92... but perhaps they used both? I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Krel]

<div class='quotetop'>(Kaylee @ Nov 15 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]1358482[/snapback]</div>

So far as Wanted... goes -- I haven't seen it since reruns as a kid. The screenshots I've seen (like that above) are of the 92... but perhaps they used both? I wouldn't be surprised.
[/b]

From what I've read about the WDOA Mare's Leg, is that it was a 92, but they put rifle cartridges in belt cartridge loops because they looked more impressive. Kind of like how on "77 Sunset Strip" they had Ephraim Zimbalist Jr. use a .32 Long Colt Banker's Special because he was of small build and a .38 Special would have looked too large in his hand. :lol

It has been a couple of years since I've read the article, but I believe that the smith was U.S. based, the thing is that he was suppose to be using Winchesters for his conversion.

David.

 

[squirk]

Anyone have any idea if QMx is planning on doing these? I assume the answer is "yes", but was wondering if there was official word.