Fiberglass Helmet Complete! (pic intensive)
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Studio Stasis
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I think when I get one of the Fiberglass helmets im going to dremel the ears off and build up the sides of the helmet to be like the Styrene ones are before their ears are added. Then I'll take the fiberglass ears and attach them, leaving gaps to simulate the normal plastic helmet construction. As far as the brow of the helmet, once painted a rubber color it wont be obvious even at point blank range that its not rubber. You'd have to touch it to know the difference. The only thing that I dont think will ever be present are the tiny seams right above the ears where the cap and back meet, at the end of the brow trim on each side. I can live with that. I love the detail.
OldKen
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<div class='quotetop'>(clutch @ Aug 7 2006, 09:30 AM) [snapback]1295452[/snapback]</div>
yeah, i thought that maybe someone could do that... but why? :unsure
and you might end up regretting it, because you probably arent going to be able to make it perfect, and anything less will ruin it. :confused
why dont you just get an ABS80 kit and make it look like the TE FG one?
i think that would be a cheaper easier and safer route.
yeah, i thought that maybe someone could do that... but why? :unsure
and you might end up regretting it, because you probably arent going to be able to make it perfect, and anything less will ruin it. :confused
why dont you just get an ABS80 kit and make it look like the TE FG one?
i think that would be a cheaper easier and safer route.
<div class='quotetop'>(animetronic @ Aug 7 2006, 02:58 AM) [snapback]1295379[/snapback]</div>
But aren't the ear's hollow? I doubt they are solid? If you cut into them wouldn't you have a big opening in the casting? You would still need a surface on which to put the ears...if they are solid there then sure you could dremel them down to a shape like the original without ears...
But aren't the ear's hollow? I doubt they are solid? If you cut into them wouldn't you have a big opening in the casting? You would still need a surface on which to put the ears...if they are solid there then sure you could dremel them down to a shape like the original without ears...
Studio Stasis
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Thanks Clutch, that is what I meant. I would be left with big holes where the ears were. I would have to mend the sides and make it look like a styrene helmet that has no ears on it. THEN I would either add strene ears or the fiberglass ears to simulate the gaps that every helmet has. I dont particularly like the gaps, I just want to see if it can be done to make a fiberglass pass for a plastic one. Everyones panties get in a bunch about the construction of the fiberglass helmets and it really doesnt matter if you cant tell the difference. If I were to get the helmet look idential to a plastic one, I wonder if anyone could tell?
Anyway, the reason I dont get an ABS80 helmet is because they are very sanitized looking and they are lacking loads and loads of the detail and sharpness that is present in the FG helmet. I dont think people even know this but the FG one is also almost an inch larger than the styrene helmets if you were to measure around the crown just above the brow trim. The weird thing is that the brow trim is not larger. The helmet itself is like the size of the helmet that it came from. I held my old ESB styrene helmet next to the TE2 screen used "set for stun" helmet and the differences were outrageous in both size and detail loss from one generation to the next. Theres only so much that a vaccuform table can do I think. Having the FG one reminds me of what the screen used one looked like in person. I will see if TE will let me post some pics that I took in August 2003 when I was allowed to compare my helmet to the real deal in person. I also got to wear the real deal, which was mucho fun. Here is a photo of me holding it and one of me wearing it. I've posted these photos before, so I know its okay. Im sorry these are so huge.
Anyway, the reason I dont get an ABS80 helmet is because they are very sanitized looking and they are lacking loads and loads of the detail and sharpness that is present in the FG helmet. I dont think people even know this but the FG one is also almost an inch larger than the styrene helmets if you were to measure around the crown just above the brow trim. The weird thing is that the brow trim is not larger. The helmet itself is like the size of the helmet that it came from. I held my old ESB styrene helmet next to the TE2 screen used "set for stun" helmet and the differences were outrageous in both size and detail loss from one generation to the next. Theres only so much that a vaccuform table can do I think. Having the FG one reminds me of what the screen used one looked like in person. I will see if TE will let me post some pics that I took in August 2003 when I was allowed to compare my helmet to the real deal in person. I also got to wear the real deal, which was mucho fun. Here is a photo of me holding it and one of me wearing it. I've posted these photos before, so I know its okay. Im sorry these are so huge.
OldKen
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what a piece of junk.
thats awesome.
now are you saying the original is different in size to say a TE2? i know there has to be some detail loss... but yeah...
and to me the FG, just doesnt look as much like the one your holding as a TE 2 would... ill wait and see when your finished though.
oh and ive been in the presence of the move along bucket so... nah nah nah.
LOL.
for what the ABS80s are i think its fair to say that they retain more sharpness than one would think you could get... i also think its safe to say that for the price, they are a great deal. 100% accurate... NO.
but then again compared to 90% of the 501st and there standard FX... id reather have an ABS 80.
so whats the word on the FG availability? (PM me)
thats awesome.
now are you saying the original is different in size to say a TE2? i know there has to be some detail loss... but yeah...
and to me the FG, just doesnt look as much like the one your holding as a TE 2 would... ill wait and see when your finished though.
oh and ive been in the presence of the move along bucket so... nah nah nah.
LOL.
for what the ABS80s are i think its fair to say that they retain more sharpness than one would think you could get... i also think its safe to say that for the price, they are a great deal. 100% accurate... NO.
but then again compared to 90% of the 501st and there standard FX... id reather have an ABS 80.
so whats the word on the FG availability? (PM me)
Studio Stasis
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Im sorry that my statements were hard to decipher. What I mean is that the FG helmet is sized similar to the Set For Stun original helmet. Every common styrene helmet seems to be a little smaller. When I put my styrene and the set for stun helmet next to eachother they had the same size brow but everything on the helmet seemed to have more size to it and the helmet had sharpness in areas that none of the styrene helmets have had. That's probably due to the method of the pulls, I dont know. Pretty much everything originated from TE's first helmet and it had been cut down smaller when assembled. I think it all just boils down to having two totally different master helmets to replicate. The styrene helmets came from the first screen used TE helmet and the FG helmet comes from the second TE helmet. They weren't the same to begin with so that may be why my styrene helmet didnt even really match the second TE helmet in person. If the styrene helmet had been a replica of the second TE helmet, that would have been easier to make comparisons from, but its not. Comparing the FG replica of the second TE helmet to my styrene helmets is like comparing the second TE helmet to my styrene when I compared them originally.
The only comment that confuses me is this...
"and to me the FG, just doesnt look as much like the one your holding as a TE 2 would"
The TE2 is a replica of TE's first helmet. I already had my TE helmet with me when I held this original helmet and the side by side comparison of them was pretty drastic. I have one painted styrene and two glossy styrene helmets from TE and none of them match the FG or the original helmet that i'm holding in that pic. I am on a mission to show you what I mean now, using pictures. The way it breaks down is-
TE and Gino/CRProps styrene helmets - match the first TE screen used helmet in size and possibly lack a bit of detail due to vaccuforming/molding sharpness loss.
TE fiberglass replica - matches the Set For Stun helmet in size and detail because thats not only its original source but it is made in a way that even matches its assembly trimming and angles because it was never taken apart.
This doesn't reflect the surface bumps and all that, im just making a statement about the size of things and how different these two screen used source helmets were to begin with. Remember the "move along" helmet and the "stop that ship" helmet? Those had very different sharpnesses and overall shape as well. I really wish I had some closeup measurments of the second TE helmet because the FG version illustrated to me how different in size it was from my styrene helmet, which I already thought when I saw it in person.
I agree about the ABS80 helmets, they are great looking for an idealized helmet. I'd even take one over an SDS. I think someday when I'm rich I will buy one for everyone in the 501st so I dont have to see anymore AFX helmets, haha.
Also im not gloating about holding or wearing the "set for stun" helmet, I just know that everyone here can relate to that little moment in your life when you've reached a point when you come face to face with something you never thought you'd ever see in person without a thick piece of glass between you and the item and LFL watching to make sure you didnt touch it. I have high hopes that the FG helmet will look like the "set for stun" helmet to my eye when completed.
If anyone has photos of one of the fiberglass helmets, id love to see some pics of measurments of areas of the helmet to compare to the styrene helmets I have. Im almost certain there is a significant difference.
Josh
The only comment that confuses me is this...
"and to me the FG, just doesnt look as much like the one your holding as a TE 2 would"
The TE2 is a replica of TE's first helmet. I already had my TE helmet with me when I held this original helmet and the side by side comparison of them was pretty drastic. I have one painted styrene and two glossy styrene helmets from TE and none of them match the FG or the original helmet that i'm holding in that pic. I am on a mission to show you what I mean now, using pictures. The way it breaks down is-
TE and Gino/CRProps styrene helmets - match the first TE screen used helmet in size and possibly lack a bit of detail due to vaccuforming/molding sharpness loss.
TE fiberglass replica - matches the Set For Stun helmet in size and detail because thats not only its original source but it is made in a way that even matches its assembly trimming and angles because it was never taken apart.
This doesn't reflect the surface bumps and all that, im just making a statement about the size of things and how different these two screen used source helmets were to begin with. Remember the "move along" helmet and the "stop that ship" helmet? Those had very different sharpnesses and overall shape as well. I really wish I had some closeup measurments of the second TE helmet because the FG version illustrated to me how different in size it was from my styrene helmet, which I already thought when I saw it in person.
I agree about the ABS80 helmets, they are great looking for an idealized helmet. I'd even take one over an SDS. I think someday when I'm rich I will buy one for everyone in the 501st so I dont have to see anymore AFX helmets, haha.
Also im not gloating about holding or wearing the "set for stun" helmet, I just know that everyone here can relate to that little moment in your life when you've reached a point when you come face to face with something you never thought you'd ever see in person without a thick piece of glass between you and the item and LFL watching to make sure you didnt touch it. I have high hopes that the FG helmet will look like the "set for stun" helmet to my eye when completed.
If anyone has photos of one of the fiberglass helmets, id love to see some pics of measurments of areas of the helmet to compare to the styrene helmets I have. Im almost certain there is a significant difference.
Josh
OldKen
Master Member
alrighty then.
i was being a little candid, and i think you didnt pick up on that. :confused
i think it looks great and will look great.
but maybe its the fact there are no seams, i dont know, but if you look at a Gino stunt...
theres just something about the look of the FG that seems a tad off, but it is a pic and its not finished so...
ill just wait and see.
dont get me wrong id take one in a heartbeat. :love
i guess i just wish that there woulda been a way to dismantle the original, scan it, and somehow make the deffinative TK molds with it... as opposed to scanning the whole thing and churning out solid one piece buckets...
i know what your saying about how its perfect to the look of the construction of that particular seen on screen helmet... and i cant wait to see the finished product.
so stop trying to make a point and finish that bad boy already. :thumbsup :thumbsup
i was being a little candid, and i think you didnt pick up on that. :confused
i think it looks great and will look great.
but maybe its the fact there are no seams, i dont know, but if you look at a Gino stunt...
theres just something about the look of the FG that seems a tad off, but it is a pic and its not finished so...
ill just wait and see.
dont get me wrong id take one in a heartbeat. :love
i guess i just wish that there woulda been a way to dismantle the original, scan it, and somehow make the deffinative TK molds with it... as opposed to scanning the whole thing and churning out solid one piece buckets...
i know what your saying about how its perfect to the look of the construction of that particular seen on screen helmet... and i cant wait to see the finished product.
so stop trying to make a point and finish that bad boy already.
:thumbsup :thumbsup
GINO
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<div class='quotetop'>(animetronic @ Aug 9 2006, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1296852[/snapback]</div>
I have to disagree with this assessment.
Also, to clarify.
Firstly, the TE and Gino/Crprops helmets are not of the same calibur, and neither is the Gino/Crprops and the new Gino. Those are 3 different versions of helmet.
I would bet my entire collection that there was virtually no size or detail loss when comparing the original and the pieces made directly from them.
Here are a couple pics of my newest version (now 2yrs old). The cap/back and face come from the Brian R. (TE1) helmet, but the ears come from the Dave M. (TE2) helmet. Even with that being said, I think they match the Dave M. helmet as close as possible without taking new molds directly from the Dave M. helmet face and cap/back (which is never going to happen). It is a myth that the two original film used helmets were different in size.
I have to disagree with this assessment.
Also, to clarify.
Firstly, the TE and Gino/Crprops helmets are not of the same calibur, and neither is the Gino/Crprops and the new Gino. Those are 3 different versions of helmet.
I would bet my entire collection that there was virtually no size or detail loss when comparing the original and the pieces made directly from them.
Here are a couple pics of my newest version (now 2yrs old). The cap/back and face come from the Brian R. (TE1) helmet, but the ears come from the Dave M. (TE2) helmet. Even with that being said, I think they match the Dave M. helmet as close as possible without taking new molds directly from the Dave M. helmet face and cap/back (which is never going to happen). It is a myth that the two original film used helmets were different in size.
I am sure these comparisons of the Brian R (previously TE1) and Dave M (previously TE2) helmets are not as nice as what animatronic will provide, but until he gets permisson to post these pics, hopefully this will at least give you some idea of the differences/similarities of these two helmets.
troopermaster
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Very nice comparison pics Braks :thumbsup
FalconV8
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Please post those pics showing the size diffrences.
I have always felt the TE/Gino helmets seemed like 10% too small when on my mannequin, although the look is spot on. If this new TE fiberglass helmet is actually bigger, and can be shown with comparison pics, I just might be in the market for one. :eek
I agree that it could be bigger because of trimming, etc. of the original, thus the size would be bigger because it is a scan of a "bigger" helmet but only because of the assembly and trimming. I think we all agree it is from the same original mold. (there having been only one)
Has anyone ever posted any Te/Gino/etc... next to an original?
I have seen the Move along and the other original helmet that Jez showed next to each other and they seemed the same size, although did have a different look from each other becasue of assembly and trimming. Can anyone prove/disprove this myth with actual pics, side to side, same place, same time shots....???????
CM
I have always felt the TE/Gino helmets seemed like 10% too small when on my mannequin, although the look is spot on. If this new TE fiberglass helmet is actually bigger, and can be shown with comparison pics, I just might be in the market for one. :eek
I agree that it could be bigger because of trimming, etc. of the original, thus the size would be bigger because it is a scan of a "bigger" helmet but only because of the assembly and trimming. I think we all agree it is from the same original mold. (there having been only one)
Has anyone ever posted any Te/Gino/etc... next to an original?
I have seen the Move along and the other original helmet that Jez showed next to each other and they seemed the same size, although did have a different look from each other becasue of assembly and trimming. Can anyone prove/disprove this myth with actual pics, side to side, same place, same time shots....???????
CM
jedidave76
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it looks fantastic. great friggan job.
Jumpin Jax
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I shiver with antici..............pation Oh the wait is adding gray hairs.......
JJ
Oh the wait is adding gray hairs.......JJ
Too Much Garlic
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I have an idea to fake the look of attachable ears. Give the edge-line between the helmet and ear a quick wash of matt black and then quickly wipe it off again, leaving a faint line of black, thus creating the look that the ear is not molded to the main part of the helmet.
Don't overdo it, as it will only look fake. Just a faint line... indicating a possible seam/separation line.
The helmet looks superb... and love the weathering. :thumbsup
Don't overdo it, as it will only look fake. Just a faint line... indicating a possible seam/separation line.
The helmet looks superb... and love the weathering. :thumbsup
With the one peice construction I think the fact that the area
where the ears meet the helmet is so sharp and defined that
it doesn`t bother me at all.I think it`s great a helmet like this
has turned up as it adds a whole different spin on replica trooper
helmets.
Now all I need is scanned copies of the other 55 screen-used helmets
and my whole collection is complete.
I`m also looking forward to Josh`s take on this with the ears cut off
with a dremel.Good luck Josh your a braver man than I am. :confused
Cheers,
Ben
where the ears meet the helmet is so sharp and defined that
it doesn`t bother me at all.I think it`s great a helmet like this
has turned up as it adds a whole different spin on replica trooper
helmets.
Now all I need is scanned copies of the other 55 screen-used helmets
and my whole collection is complete.
I`m also looking forward to Josh`s take on this with the ears cut off
with a dremel.Good luck Josh your a braver man than I am. :confused
Cheers,
Ben
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