EFX X Wing Arrival, Thoughts & Pictures
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This thing is a beast. But is it accurate? Working on it...
I did a quick comparison on my computer screen of your shot of the 3 fuselages lined up with a hi- res reference photo of an actual hero model top shot. The main ref. points on the fuselage of the V3 seem to line up with the real hero model point for point. Overall the proportions of the V3 seemed to match those of the filming model more closely than the eFX. Unfortunately I do not have Photoshop right now so I can't show you a composite. And of course this is by eye so not 100% definite, but all the landmarks of the V3 and filming model seemed to line up perfectly.:confused
RacerX
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Yeah, cause YOU will decide, using your "accurate" techniques, if this replica is accurate or not. Yeah right
rolleyes:rolleyes
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RacerX
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Nothing by "eye" should be even considered relevant.
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RacerX
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Nobody is saying that a pro paint job wouldn't be better. Of course it would.
BUT, for a mass produced item, the paint job of the EfX X-Wing is pretty good and NOT toyish at all.
Have you see one in person or are you judging by the pictures you see here?
If you are judging by the pictures, which I believe you are, then that's a terrible way to judge anything, sorry. Take a look at it in person then come back here.
Colin Droidmilk
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In that case, all the praise heaped on people's builds in here ain't worth a hoot either...
Also, the relief people have felt on seeing the new pictures of the EFX - totally baseless...
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Colin Droidmilk
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Could I ask what hero photo you were using?
He wasn't referring to aesthetic judgments, but scientific/measurement judgments, in which case he's absolutely correct. If you have the original Red 5's wings in one hand, and an eFX in the other, and measure both with calipers, then an accurate comparison can be made, and not before. This is not beyond the realm of possibility and will no doubt occur at some point.
_Mike
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Well, if I remember correctly, the only surviving pieces of Red 5 that eFx had to work with were the wings, couldn't you blow up any down looking reference shots of Red 5 to match the scale of the wings and start comparing the rest of the body from there? I would think the wings would be a 1:1 match, especially if they scanned them.
Of course, that would be in addition to any caliper measurements from the specific donor model parts against the eFx bird.
Just a thought.
JS
Colin Droidmilk
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Aesthetics are hopelessly bound to scientific measurement when you're talking about making an object that corresponds to another object - that's the activity enagaged in here. RacerX is saying that success or failure in this cannot under any circumstances be judged through photographs. Worryingly, and strictly philosophically speaking, he may well be right. But if he is, then only in-person evidence should be admitted here when passing a value judgement on any replica prop or model. But no one's seriously interested in that level of strictness, I'm sure.
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Yeah, cause YOU will decide, using your "accurate" techniques, if this replica is accurate or not. Yeah right
As it goes, it would be very wise to listen and learn from Beaz, i know i have, and from what i see, this eFX is looking a bit odd in certain areas, but too bulked up maybe, i still cry out the V3 is closer to true Hero dims and proportions.
I have to say, your "judging by eye" statement is lunacy, thats like saying the X wing uses a Saturn V can for an engine intake, but we cant be sure till we break out the calipers to the original parts, of course we have to go by "eye" in many circumstances :rolleyes
Id love to know more on the Saturn V and wing area's Beaz, if there larger, they were scanned yes? Then maybe over compensated for in casting.
Though, Mike has stated the R2 wasnt enlarged in any way, and you seem to think the R2 strip looks about genuine to OE parts, so its odd some are saying the engine cans appear larger.
lee
RacerX
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THat was not what I meant.
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RacerX
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RacerX
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Good that you listen to Beaz.
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No he's not. He's saying that non-scientific, i.e. non-photogrammetric analysis of photos can't be used to judge and he's right. There is no photogrammetric analysis happening on this forum by anyone other than me, that I know of. And frankly, it would be easier for me to do the hand-in-hand side-by-side comparison of the original Red 5 and the eFX than to bother with that, anyway, and I have the requisite materials. There is not enough known photo data of Red 5 publicly available to make photogrammetric analysis successful in any regard. Comparisons are not accurate without them, and if they existed, you'd already have a 100% accurate assessment of the dimensions of the original Red 5, which of course you don't. This is why its size is pure speculation and guesswork, which is why the entire "which is correct" issue exists.
You don't know whether eFX is right or wrong because you don't know what right is, and you can't obtain the data photogrammetrically or you would have. By-eye photo comparisons are worthless, he stated so, and he is correct, and that is the scientific method. Period. Notice aesthetics appear nowhere in this discussion, as they are irrelevant. There is correct, and there is incorrect. What is aesthetically correct is "accurate." You don't have the data.
_Mike
Oh i understand "simple" things very well. I dont know why your getting so heated TBH, this is a discussion board, where many (kudos to them) will follow there own opinion, not the crowd buddy, so maybe we take it down a notch, gather the info, and go from there?
I can understand the fanboy element defending there purchase to the hilt, eFX and the team involved have done a tremendous job, cant take that away from them, but its never going to be a purists cup of tea is it?
lee
I can understand the fanboy element defending there purchase to the hilt, eFX and the team involved have done a tremendous job, cant take that away from them, but its never going to be a purists cup of tea is it?
lee
RacerX
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No one is getting heated pal, are you? I was just proving a point.
RacerX
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You speak the truth, Mike.
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