Albatrossone
New Member
Try watching the blurts!
Sorry I meant blu-rays.
eFX ANH DARTH HELMET SAMPLE!!
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Sorry I meant blu-rays.
wannab
Sr Member
I have them on blueray and watch them on a 60" Kuro and have not seen what you speak of. Doesn't mean it's not there, just that I have just not seen them. I have tried pausing and framing through. Can you take some screengrabs and show what you mean?
Davy Jones
Sr Member
Not to keep this battle going but, if its dimensional and so slight, why is is so clear in screen caps? Why wouldn't it be as clear from a decent picture of the mould? Can you really get the correct look without paint?
Albatrossone
New Member
Damn spell checker!
wannab
Sr Member
It is only clear in the final (well later) shots (not in later US pickup shots that I'm aware of) whatever happened during filming happened after most principal was shot. My best deductive guess (and that is all it is) is the UK mold was taken right after the shooting wrapped in UK post damage (paint flake, scratch, saber blow or whatever it is). The Baker mold was likely taken (made) after paint touchups were made after arriving in US. Baker may have even messed with it somehow? We know this scar was not in the original sculpt (as per Brian) so we have to suss it from timeline of shooting aspect.
As to showing up on screen so noticeably, we are talking extreme harsh lighting at harsh angles more so than I mentioned earlier.
So based on what part of filming you prefer EFX master, SL and TM are correct (as can be).
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Thinking about it, it could just be the types of mold release (more dense, pooled or just how it was applied) used between the UK and Baker molds that accounts for the shallowness/depth of the scar area rather than a paint touch up.
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wannab
Sr Member
Albatrossone
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Albatrossone
New Member
I thought it was quite a big feature on the hd editions but if you don't agree let's not worry about it
phez
Sr Member
Hmmm
Never thought of that.
I suppose it would make complete sense if the goal is to have a mold to use future movies to fix any obvious damage and maybe reprime to clean up that mess of a paint job before making the mold. Why clean up all of the damage and bad paint on any pulls you would make for the next movie if you can clean up the master once.
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CSMacLaren
Sr Member
What I'm about to share should not in any way, shape or form be seen as an attack against Gino. I'm just relating some historical info.
My intent is not to add fuel to the fire to the C-scar debate; I've kept my participation to a minimum and even so got viciously attacked and lumped into a category I don't feel I belong to. The last time this was discussed, I posted pics of the C-scar of my TM in all clarity on The Prop Den. It's unfortunate the pics went unnoticed and all this is being rehashed with some unnecessary emotions.
Years ago, when that photo was taken, JRX was still taking acetone to the faceplate to remove what he felt was excess resin smeared on to make the surfaces smooth. Everyone focuses now on that left cheek, but the acetone was also on other parts of the mask as well, revealing details that are also found on the screenused.
When TM and I were preparing the educational article on the TM, I had to rely on photos taken by JRX. He emphatically told me not to use any TM photos that show the C-scar (and to Photoshop them out if discernible) because he didn't want Gino to come into any information of the surface textural details of the screenused since Gino already lorded what info he had over people. I agreed and kept the C-scar off the article because, frankly, Gino was behaving like a total online troll and bully at the time and didn't want to empower him with any more knowledge than what he already had (though I'm glad his conduct has improved since joining eFX).
I actually had higher resolution versions of some of the images you're using to say the C-scar doesn't exist. JRX told me he had photoshopped them out. Again, the C-scar was not debated because there was no motivation at the time to prove it to the world. JRX didn't want people like SPFX (another online bully) to add dimensional C-scars and start trumpeting his unique ILM-based casting (which finally turned out to be a modified 20th Century).
I'm not here to tell you what to believe. Clear images of the C-scar on my TM faceplate are on the Den. I decided to heck with JRX's and Gino's disagreements and the community should be able to make up their own minds and not take sides based on personal disagreements held by longtime community participants. I personally don't care either way whether people are pro- or anti-C-scar because, at the end of the day, I honestly feel no one helmet has all the features. Each casting is deficient in one way, shape or form. People collect them all (yeah, like Pokemon) because there are features you like in each. We all wish there was one helmet that nailed it 100%, from 100% of the angles, 100% of the time.
Zombie Killer, what I will say however is this: consider the timeframe that photo was taken, and that you're taking a photo out of context to make an accusation against people whose motivation you really don't even know.
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I'm not sure i accused anyone of anything. Most of the accusations have been railed against EFX by those who posted those pictures. Now that they are not really relevant you go after me for reposting them. Nice.
I do love your "this is not an attack at Gino" then you go and attack Gino. Using him as the excuse for the reason you acted just like you accuse him of acting. In other words you accuse him of withholding info then blame him or use him as the reason you yourself are withholding info. Then you go on to blame us for not going to some other site that you posted pics on. We are discussing this here at the RPF. Why not post the pics in the relevant thread.
I do love your "this is not an attack at Gino" then you go and attack Gino. Using him as the excuse for the reason you acted just like you accuse him of acting. In other words you accuse him of withholding info then blame him or use him as the reason you yourself are withholding info. Then you go on to blame us for not going to some other site that you posted pics on. We are discussing this here at the RPF. Why not post the pics in the relevant thread.
Darth Stone
Well-Known Member
My thoughts are based from simple deduction. There just is more than one mold.
Limited arriving in CA in a few weeks? Cool.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
But you're sure accusing me now.
What part of "historical" was not clearly iterated?
The TM pics were posted a long while ago on The Den because of a topic discussed way back then. Can this be more clear? This is an eFX thread.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
I've seen first hand the differences of detail that different brands/cocktails of molding can pick up. I don't want to rule that out. But at the same time, if the Rick Baker mold is cleaner and certain details harder to discern, then it hints at a possibility that a mold was taken after the Chronicles shoot. And yes, I agree there is possibility of yet another mold.
Below are the differences. Left: Production Condition. Right: Chronicles photoshoot.
Also take note of the reconditioned finish of his appearance at the Chinese Theater. It may be from the same time as Chronicles, but I'd need help in corroborating that.
As you can see from the above, the Chinese Theater and the Chronicles shoot show what is strongly likely the screenused ANH, but refinished.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
And here's another fun comparison: Chinese Theater (left) and some awards ceremony (right) - both showing the Chronicles-style paint finish.
vaderdarth
Master Member
Words to live by: if your C-scar is flat or your divot is missing, someone stole it!
So let me get this straight. You guys post TM pics to show the scar, when i repost the pics i am to blame.
Then you accuse me of making accusations, then you procede to say you are not attacking Gino then you call him a troll and basically attack him. When i point this out you again try to spin this as me now making accusations about you and that i am again to blame.
Then you post some of the blurriest pics possible of a touring helmet as proof of what? Well let me apologise to everyone for the blurry pics that CS just posted because they are obviously my fault too. What a joke.
Then you accuse me of making accusations, then you procede to say you are not attacking Gino then you call him a troll and basically attack him. When i point this out you again try to spin this as me now making accusations about you and that i am again to blame.
Then you post some of the blurriest pics possible of a touring helmet as proof of what? Well let me apologise to everyone for the blurry pics that CS just posted because they are obviously my fault too. What a joke.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
"You guys?" I am not "You guys." I am me, my opinions are my own. My posts for years have been to help people.
You are so focused on lumping people into categories so you can vilify them with one broad paint stroke that you missed the entire point of my posts and that I'm trying to simply point the thread back n the right direction in a friendly and warm manner. Go troll someone else and don't invent intent and put words in my mouth.
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