eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet
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Good stuff. This thread can twist your mind. :lol
jkno
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Time for me and all my family to save up. :love No more food for us anymore.......:confused :lol
frosty
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So the scar was added as weathering? the rest of the helmet was painted like crap, brushstrokes and drips everywhere as seen in that faceplate pic that was posted, it doesn't make sense to then add a weathering effect in one tiny area.
Not posting this to stir the pot, just find it interesting
Not posting this to stir the pot, just find it interesting
One problem i have believing the c scar is an imperfection is that it's hard to beleive the guy who painted the helmet would have looked at such a big defect/gouge on the face of the main villan that is going to be filmed up close would just say , screw it. George will never notice that scab on his face. I'll just be lazy and not fill it in or address it in any way. But i can believe someone dripped a bit of gunmetal while painting and wiped it off. At that point there wouldn't be much of an option to strip it all down and start over. I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of the guy who would have painted it.
defstartrooper
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Well that would be because the damage happened later in filming, the Tantive scenes were filmed last by the way.
From what i understand the Rick Baker mold was made after filming and the helmet was cleaned up for tours, it's plausible such a prominent mark was cleaned up before the mold was made while smaller less noticable marks were left as is.
Keep in mind here folks that Gino hasn't seen either the screen used helmet or the earlier made UK mold but from simply seeing the later produced Rick Baker mold he categorically states as fact something which he cannot.
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Juansith
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The thing that makes us crazy is part what ZK was mentioning.
Normally a film production would care about continuity and the aesthetics of the props.
The main problem here is that from day one they had lots of problems.
Pretty much they were on the "screw it" philosophy And let a lot of flaws slide through the film.
George Lucas pretty much wanted to finish Star Wars by all
Means, and people wasnt respecting him and his vision very much so i can imagine a situation where the Cscar could either be intentional, a paint flaw, a chip or a combination of them and he just went with it.
Hell, he even went with Vader having his Dome all messed up while in the tie fighter scenes, something that wih a little care could have been solved in take two.
So yeah, now we have to solve a mistery assuming that theres a logic to it where pretty much it came from chaos.
Normally a film production would care about continuity and the aesthetics of the props.
The main problem here is that from day one they had lots of problems.
Pretty much they were on the "screw it" philosophy And let a lot of flaws slide through the film.
George Lucas pretty much wanted to finish Star Wars by all
Means, and people wasnt respecting him and his vision very much so i can imagine a situation where the Cscar could either be intentional, a paint flaw, a chip or a combination of them and he just went with it.
Hell, he even went with Vader having his Dome all messed up while in the tie fighter scenes, something that wih a little care could have been solved in take two.
So yeah, now we have to solve a mistery assuming that theres a logic to it where pretty much it came from chaos.
GINO
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I keep seeing a lot of people posting questions or statements that just show they haven't been closely following this thread (and reading it). More likely skimming over it.
This is a perfect example.
Yes, the tantive scenes were filmed last, but he cheek weathering was on the helmet for the entire film.
Obviously the helmet was not cleaned up for any reason before baker molded it because it still has all the other surface blemishes.
It's clear that the castings that come from the UK mold do not have any dimensional c-scar just like the baker mold doesn't which makes complete sense because... wait for it...
The original helmet did not have a dimensional c-scar.
I believe that the entire cheek was intentionally weathered to look beat up, just like all the other props from the OT.
I also believe that the paint brushed gunmetal vs. being sprayed was also intentional and an effort by the art dept. to give the helmet a real world metal look (streaky).
There is no way that the silver marks you see on the cheek are from accidental damage. What you are seeing is dry brushed weathering.
Something that is VERY commonly done to make something appear distressed/weathered.
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Ghost Host
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I think the reverse would be more likely... it is a bigger deal to fill/sand and repaint something like this than to just touch-up with paint. More work might = "just let it go as is..."
The C scar (and other damage/flaws) are still present during the KE tour, however, being as there was some (un-nessissary) clay work done to fill in the undercuts on the tubes, a careful smear of clay could easily have been done to the cheek before molding. It would be nice to know exactly when Rick made that mold. Because he made special tour suits for Toys R Us, it would make sense that it was post-production or later, probably even after KE was on tour. I used to know and work for Rick, and spoke to him at length about his involvement with Star Wars, but we never discussed any timelines.
Juansith
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Ok Gino, just to leave this C scar matter closed and we can all move on, and since you were the only one ( i cant stress "only" enough) to look closely to the RB mold and you were involved and in contact with LFL during the making of the EFX helmet (and since i think you are in position to know the truth), answer this question:
From one to ten, what probability would you give to the other theories given from other members stating it could either be a chip or a dimensional mark and that it was later removed to the RB?.
GINO
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Juansith
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Ghost Host
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It is possible. What I was told was that the gunmetal was added to give highlight because the all black look was hard to see when reviewing the first shots on set. Those first shots were darkly lit Death Star scenes, so maybe there's something to it?
GINO
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The argument that it was cleaned up on the original helmet before baker molded it is bunk.
The original helmet was also molded in the UK, and the castings that come from that mold do not have a dimensional c-scar either.
We have basically two different camps arguing to the contrary.
The people in the SL camp.
And the people in the TM camp.
(all of which have a long bad history with me)
Some say it is a raised detail, some say it is an indented scratch, some say it is the edge of a paint flake.
They can't even agree on what they think it actually is.
It's kind of ridiculous especially when the real answer/truth is right in front of them (that it is none of those things).
The people in the SL camp say their helmet has it.
It doesn't.
The SL comes from the baker mold (same mold as the eFX) and clearly it is not there.
So either this was added to the SL castings, or they are seeing something in that area of their castings that they are misinterpreting as an actual artifact when it is not.
The people in the TM camp say their helmet has it.
It doesn't.
I've shown pics of the original TM helmet stripped down and not only is the c-scar not there, but neither are a lot of other artifacts.
The c-scar was most definitely added to the TM castings.
JRX added it to the set of castings that he was involved with (rather poorly), and Lambotour added his own to his casting.
And let me remind everyone again, that still, no one has shown any evidence to the contrary when asked.
What was shown was one little pic that was incredibly weak, especially when compared to the amount that I have shown.
The issue is, these camps have gone on for so long believing that this detail should be there, that they are having trouble accepting that what they have believed for so long is untrue.
Now it is pride that is stopping them from accepting this truth.
It's no different now with this and I hope it is apparent to everyone watching this thread what is actually behind all these guys causing trouble.
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The original helmet was also molded in the UK, and the castings that come from that mold do not have a dimensional c-scar either.
We have basically two different camps arguing to the contrary.
The people in the SL camp.
And the people in the TM camp.
(all of which have a long bad history with me)
Some say it is a raised detail, some say it is an indented scratch, some say it is the edge of a paint flake.
They can't even agree on what they think it actually is.
It's kind of ridiculous especially when the real answer/truth is right in front of them (that it is none of those things).
The people in the SL camp say their helmet has it.
It doesn't.
The SL comes from the baker mold (same mold as the eFX) and clearly it is not there.
So either this was added to the SL castings, or they are seeing something in that area of their castings that they are misinterpreting as an actual artifact when it is not.
The people in the TM camp say their helmet has it.
It doesn't.
I've shown pics of the original TM helmet stripped down and not only is the c-scar not there, but neither are a lot of other artifacts.
The c-scar was most definitely added to the TM castings.
JRX added it to the set of castings that he was involved with (rather poorly), and Lambotour added his own to his casting.
And let me remind everyone again, that still, no one has shown any evidence to the contrary when asked.
What was shown was one little pic that was incredibly weak, especially when compared to the amount that I have shown.
The issue is, these camps have gone on for so long believing that this detail should be there, that they are having trouble accepting that what they have believed for so long is untrue.
Now it is pride that is stopping them from accepting this truth.
It's no different now with this and I hope it is apparent to everyone watching this thread what is actually behind all these guys causing trouble.
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Ghost Host
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So clever to again paint a picture of conspiracy, but IF you're including me in that bunch, which I have to assume you are... because of who you are and that I just posted a few comments... then you are mistaken (again). I have never claimed ANY of those things, and have been moving along with the discussion in an orderly manner. Step back, take a breath, maybe take a walk, enjoy the day and then come back with an open mind.
Ghost Host
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However, if somehow I am mistaken about you including me in that conspiracy comment, then I apologize for assuming it.
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