eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

[Juansith]

Welcome to the world of props and their replicas, Juansith. Lots of people with information don't want to share it. You've seen right here what happens when they do (there are people who aren't satisfied with it).

I'm reading several of your posts here as complete attacks as well. Not that half the posts in this thread haven't been jabs of some sort or another, but you're no exception. Makes me feel sad when stuff I'm reading from you is something to the effect of, "You're so pretentious, who do you think you are? You just lost it."

I thought the great value of this kind forums was sharing knowledge for the growth of the community.
I read many forums and it is the exception when members dont want to share how they accomplished a project, or if they have some inside info,most of the time people with skills and experts on the matter are more than ready to answer questions even when they shouldnt.
This to me is an exception. People arent this jealous of their knowledge, it shouldnt be, i really dont understand it, nor i agree with it, like it or not.
If people dont want to share info, well, they can do that by not even posting or showing up.

 

[Art Andrews]

I thought the great value of this kind forums was sharing knowledge for the growth of the community.

I read many forums and it is the exception when members dont want to share how they accomplished a project, or if they have some inside info,most of the time people with skills and experts on the matter are more than ready to answer questions even when they shouldnt.

This to me is an exception. People arent this jealous of their knowledge, it shouldnt be, i really dont understand it, nor i agree with it, like it or not.
If people dont want to share info, well, they can do that by not even posting or showing up.

That is the overall purpose and direction of the community as a whole but within that community (as within any large group) are cliques that tend to hold on to an antiquated concept that secret knowledge equates to power and prestige. However, those who hold on to this concept slowly become more and more isolated and more and more overlooked as time and technology march on. Those who still hold on to this mantra will either change their tune and get on board or will become memories in the rearview, forgotten by those who are onboard with sharing and helping and pushing each other to great things.

As Gino has found himself in that category in the past, I think it is particularly cool to see him making a great effort to move forward and share information more freely and am super impressed that a licensee (Bryan/eFX) is allowing it when the truth is that they have no reason to prove anything to anyone.

I hope this kind of thing only encourages others to share and educate instead of horde and conceal.

 

[RBJ]

I've seen all the upper tier fan helmets, the SL, TM, and VP.
I can say with absolute certainty that there is not any c-scar blemish on any of them.

The reason for this is very simple.
It is because there was no physical c-scar on the original screen used helmet. Period.
When they show a casting with a scratch in that area, it is because they added it in.


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This is not true...

There was no C- scar on the cast that became the screen used helmet

It was present during the tantive scenes and when the helmet first arrived at Don Post for Eller to tour in.

It was sanded down " repaired" for the chronicles shoot.

It is a paint blemish that would be present on any mold made before it was repainted

 

[GINO]

There was no C- scar on the cast that became the screen used helmet

Correct, because it was a painted on detail.

It was present during the tantive scenes and when the helmet first arrived at Don Post for Eller to tour in.

Yes, throughout the entire film and throughout the entire tour.

It was sanded down " repaired" for the chronicles shoot.

I'm not convinced that the chronicles helmet is the actual screen used helmet.
But lets say for the sake of argument that it is.
The helmet in the chronicles shoot has had major clean up performed to it. Over the entire helmet. There are many details missing from the chronicles helmet that are present in the baker mold.
So if the chronicles helmet is indeed the screen used helmet, then the baker mold was created before the chronicles shoot.

It is a paint blemish that would be present on any mold made before it was repainted

Again, we can't say with certainty that the screen used ANH helmet was ever repainted at all.
I think there is a very good chance that it is still lost in the archives just the way we remember it.



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[Juansith]

That is the overall purpose and direction of the community as a whole but within that community (as within any large group) are cliques that tend to hold on to an antiquated concept that secret knowledge equates to power and prestige. However, those who hold on to this concept slowly become more and more isolated and more and more overlooked as time and technology march on. Those who still hold on to this mantra will either change their tune and get on board or will become memories in the rearview, forgotten by those who are onboard with sharing and helping and pushing each other to great things.

As Gino has found himself in that category in the past, I think it is particularly cool to see him making a great effort to move forward and share information more freely and am super impressed that a licensee (Bryan/eFX) is allowing it when the truth is that they have no reason to prove anything to anyone.
I hope this kind of thing only encourages others to share and educate instead of horde and conceal.

I totally agree with you.
It is an exquisite feeling to be able to get first hand information from the people who are bringing us this treasure.
This was unthinkable 10 years ago, this level of connection.

i really appreciate that Gino and EFX are willing to communicate with us, and are open to receive feedback.
they listen.
They let us get involved with the project, to become part of it.
This just makes the value of the LE and Legend go a thousand plus.

 

[voice in the crowd]

I think there is a very good chance that it is still lost in the archives just the way we remember it.
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Ok that got my attention.

I seem to remember in the past you thought it may have been reused / recycled for ESB.

Does this mean you have seen the screen helmet in the archives then?

Or am I reading into your big bold 'very' too much?

Chris

 

[GINO]

It's not been found yet...but I'm not ready to give up just yet.
I think the fate of the ANH helmet was that it was either re-used in ESB, or that it is still misplaced in the archives in it's original state.


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[RBJ]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBJ

It was present during the tantive scenes and when the helmet first arrived at Don Post for Eller to tour in.
Yes, throughout the entire film and throughout the entire tour.



So then , if the helmet were molded either immediately after the Tantive scenes were shot, or when it first arrived for Elder to tour with, the C- Scar paint blemish would be a part of any.mold taken, and any cast from said mold.

 

[GINO]

So then, if the helmet were molded either immediately after the Tantive scenes were shot, or when it first arrived for Elder to tour with, the C- Scar paint blemish would be a part of any.mold taken, and any cast from said mold.

I think you mean Eller.
Because the paint blemish does not have dimensionality, it does not show up in the mold (any mold).
Just like the other silver paint weathering you can see on the cheek does not show up in the mold (any mold).


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[RBJ]

Sorry...stupid autocorrect..I'm posting from my phone


If that's the case, then how do certain paint blemishes transfer to the Baker mold?

 

[GINO]

Sorry...stupid autocorrect..I'm posting from my phone


If that's the case, then how do certain paint blemishes transfer to the Baker mold?

I don't see any paint blemishes on the baker mold other than paint drips, lots of them.
I don't believe any of the raised artifacts that do show up are from paint.


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[RBJ]

So a drip transfers to a mold, but a chip does not?

How big would a blemish need to be to transfer to a mold?

 

[GINO]

The c-scar is not a chip.

 

[RBJ]

If you don't believe its a chip, what do you think it is?

 

[Jamanticus]

If you don't believe its a chip, what do you think it is?

Gino believes the scar is silver paint intentionally applied as a weathering effect on the prop. It was a few pages back that he said this I think. Not sure how many though.

 

[RBJ]

I can't imagine anyone would think that, when the only silver accents on the helmet follow specific areas of the casting...that would make as much sence as adding a racing stripe. I'll wait until Gino answers...

 

[Jedi-72]

Sweet, merciful mother of all that is holy! Really? It gets this insane? Over a Darth Vader helmet? Say that sentence out loud and listen to how silly it sounds. Man! This is the finest Vader helmet REPLICA (operative word) ever offered. Period. For those of us who scored one. We'll enjoy and cherish them. For the detractors...it must be nice in the world of 2011 to have nothing more pressing to worry about than this.

 

[Avenger]

Was the RB mold the face mask and dome or just the face mask? Noob question I know...

I trust the EFX helmet would be from the RB dome as well if it was part of the mold right?

 

[VaderArmor]

Sweet, merciful mother of all that is holy! Really? It gets this insane? Over a Darth Vader helmet? Say that sentence out loud and listen to how silly it sounds. Man! This is the finest Vader helmet REPLICA (operative word) ever offered. Period. For those of us who scored one. We'll enjoy and cherish them. For the detractors...it must be nice in the world of 2011 to have nothing more pressing to worry about than this.

I agree and the fact that I scored TWO limited helmets two days before they sold out! I can't wait!

 

[GromitFan]

Being something of a noob myself, I can answer this one:
From the eFX site:
Our master pattern was cast from vintage molds in the Lucasfilm archives which are believed to have been made by none other than Rick Baker from the screen used Vader helmet back in 1977. What makes this a very special product is that the master pattern is NOT made from a digital scan, it is an actual, original casting. This means that this replica helmet will have direct lineage to the original and be as true to the actual filming prop as you can possibly get!

Note the plural on the molds (emphasis mine). I am sure they would have informed us if the dome was from an alternate source or it would have been a blatant misrepresentation of the product they were selling...
not to mention all the debate in this thread earlier about is shape of the dome before
we moved on the c-scar/swoosh debate in this thread.
That earlier debate would not have happened if it had not been claimed to be from the Baker molds.

Was the RB mold the face mask and dome or just the face mask? Noob question I know...

I trust the EFX helmet would be from the RB dome as well if it was part of the mold right?