ebayer rip off

[Dracosfire83]

Unless this guy name is Danny Eurena and lives in the USA his optimus prime pic was and file was stolen from Danny Eurena's instructables page witch is covered under. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/legalcode

 

[Jintosh]

I learned good things. One, if I have questions, I should ask questions, not make statements that make me look like a donkey.

Two, as an employee, I will not take a website saying "free" to imply free for ME to print. Which is how I used to interpret it as it pertains
to my job.

All good things.

 

[Serenity]

I certainly don't support recasting but I still can't understand how people know it's there item and not the recasters who's claiming it's there's? I've looked at a lot of the threads that claim recast and when I see the pictures etc I can't tell a single thing different that would indicate it being someone else's Item to a one I've randomly searched for on the net.

Everybody has their own technique and no two independent pieces of work are 100% identical. When you've put a lot of time (hours, days, sometimes years) into working on something, it's rather easy to recognize and remember your own work. You can remember why you made lines or angles a certain way. Plus, people will often put tells in their own work so they can recognize it in cases like this.

 

[Ronan87]

Not illegal but is immoral. I can except that. I'm not looking for a fight. But some people's comments suggest that they
think it is illegal. I'm in a public position that has to deal with this exact situation on a daily basis. People OFTEN request
that I make copies of copyrighted material because they simply don't KNOW that it's copyrighted. I have to refer them to the
self service.

I don't know about illegal, but taking the work of other's, and redistributing it w/o their permission is a breach of rights in MANY countries. Profit or not, it's still a breach.

Just the same as in a public gallery, you take a photo of an artist's painting (or photograph) and then start to distribute prints or digital prints (for free or for profit), again that's a breach of that artist's right to his work if you don't have permission.

 

[Drac]

That at does make sense of course if you did that to your own work, then if guess you could spot it, so how to others spot other peoples work if they didn't do it? Surely they wouldn't know about the little details that the original creator did?

Everybody has their own technique and no two independent pieces of work are 100% identical. When you've put a lot of time (hours, days, sometimes years) into working on something, it's rather easy to recognize and remember your own work. You can remember why you made lines or angles a certain way. Plus, people will often put tells in their own work so they can recognize it in cases like this.

 

[Jintosh]

I don't know about illegal, but taking the work of other's, and redistributing it w/o their permission is a breach of rights in MANY countries. Profit or not, it's still a breach.

Just the same as in a public gallery, you take a photo of an artist's painting (or photograph) and then start to distribute prints or digital prints (for free or for profit), again that's a breach of that artist's right to his work if you don't have permission.

In the paper props section you are not giving out objects, you are giving out the means to make those objects. Free.
Free has certain legal ramifications. Unless stated otherwise. I was looking for "printing rules" and found none. But in finding "posting rules" I found
where they specifically state "no selling" of the free items. That covers the legal basis and negates any argument to contrary. Because it is specifically
stated, then it is indeed illegal to reproduce and sell without permission.

 

[Ronan87]

In the paper props section you are not giving out objects, you are giving out the means to make those objects. Free.
Free has certain legal ramifications. Unless stated otherwise. I was looking for "printing rules" and found none. But in finding "posting rules" I found
where they specifically state "no selling" of the free items. That covers the legal basis and negates any argument to contrary. Because it is specifically
stated, then it is indeed illegal to reproduce and sell without permission.

Yupp, just because someone say's this is free to print and then use to make things, it doesn't make it alright to print it and sell it or redistribute it!

 

[Dracosfire83]

This is a copy or the usage rules he violated from instructables.com

[h=3]Attribution Non-commercial Share Alike (by-nc-sa)[/h]

This license lets others remix, tweak, and build upon your work non-commercially, as long as they credit you and license their new creations under the identical terms. Others can download and redistribute your work just like the by-nc-nd license, but they can also translate, make remixes, and produce new stories based on your work. All new work based on yours will carry the same license, so any derivatives will also be non-commercial in nature.

 

[SurferGeek]

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From the Paper Props section, Posting Guidelines sticky thread...

9) These paper props are being offered by the membership to the membership for free. It is a violation of the MGL to attempt to sell any of these items.

Doesn't mean free to print 100 and sell them, doesn't mean free to sell the files singly or in compilation, doesn't mean free... "you gave up your rights to the file by posting it here.".
My very first paper prop was pilfered by the same type of creep, before there was a separate section of RPF to post them to, I specifically noted that it was ONLY for personal use, not to be sold or offered elsewhere. It takes zero effort to steal or recast others work so even making a few dollars is wrong. RPF is good at rooting these people out and banning them post haste, unlike other sites who turn a blind eye or outright harbor them.
.

 

[Ronan87]

This is a copy or the usage rules he violated from instructables.com

Attribution Non-commercial Share Alike (by-nc-sa)

http://www.instructables.com/static/entry/license/imgs/cc_BY.gif http://www.instructables.com/static/entry/license/imgs/cc_NC.gif http://www.instructables.com/static/entry/license/imgs/cc_SA.gif​

This license lets others remix, tweak, and build upon your work non-commercially, as long as they credit you and license their new creations under the identical terms. Others can download and redistribute your work just like the by-nc-nd license, but they can also translate, make remixes, and produce new stories based on your work. All new work based on yours will carry the same license, so any derivatives will also be non-commercial in nature.

This isn't instructables.com. Unless you specifically agree to their term and then sign up + post, then you are not held by it...

 

[Dracosfire83]

This isn't instructables.com. Unless you specifically agree to their term and then sign up + post, then you are not held by it...

I am well aware of that but since he signed up to downloaded said file he was agreeing to instructables.com terms and not only did he fail to give proper credit to the creator he is also selling it commercially.

 

[Ronan87]

I am well aware of that but since he signed up to downloaded said file he was agreeing to instructables.com terms and not only did he fail to give proper credit to the creator he is also selling it commercially.

Ah ok, i misunderstood your post

 

[Dracosfire83]

Ah ok, i misunderstood your post

Not a problem.:thumbsup

 

[laellee]

Yeah, that guy is a tool.

http://www.therpf.com/f24/ebay-uk-pepakura-files-sale-202510/

 

[Drac]

I have a question, if you use someone's work wether it be a newspaper prop or an ID Card or a book etc then decide that you don't want it and decide to sell it, is that ok? As a one off rather than multiple ones like these people are doing, is that considered ok?

 

[Bigdaddy]

I have a question, if you use someone's work wether it be a newspaper prop or an ID Card or a book etc then decide that you don't want it and decide to sell it, is that ok? As a one off rather than multiple ones like these people are doing, is that considered ok?

I would assume the rules stating NOT SELLING the free props offered covers that as well.

 

[Drac]

Hmmm seems a bit extreme as you would only be selling a prop you have printed out and made the item yourself (if it were a paper prop that required more work to finish eg book covers etc) and the cost of the paper and printing of course. Surely it's no different to selling a prop item you either purchased or got free from other sources etc?

An example for instance if someone makes a pep file of a helmet and posts it up free, you then make it, bondo and mold it. Isn't that using a free paper prop to sell? You have 'finished' it off and decide to sell, isn't that the same as printing off a book cover then buying a book and covering it, then sell it? Does that make sense? Of course I mean this as a one off not making a run of them like these recasters do.

I would assume the rules stating NOT SELLING the free props offered covers that as well.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Hmmm seems a bit extreme as you would only be selling a prop you have printed out and made the item yourself (if it were a paper prop that required more work to finish eg book covers etc) and the cost of the paper and printing of course. Surely it's no different to selling a prop item you either purchased or got free from other sources etc?

An example for instance if someone makes a pep file of a helmet and posts it up free, you then make it, bondo and mold it. Isn't that using a free paper prop to sell? You have 'finished' it off and decide to sell, isn't that the same as printing off a book cover then buying a book and covering it, then sell it? Does that make sense? Of course I mean this as a one off not making a run of them like these recasters do.

Selling something you purchased vs. selling something you got for free, with the express understanding that it would not be sold are very different situations. Extreme or not it is clearly stated in the rules to use the forum. I would view the examples you've given as recasting

ANY selling of a prop, whether it is a pep file base helmet, or a book cover used on an existing book should have the express permission of the paper prop creator (artist) to sell (if the file was in the free prop section), and I assume offering some form of financial compensation to the artist (since we're talking about selling it for money).
Example: I modified a kindle case to resemble the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy as a gift last Christmas, the artwork was available for free in the paper prop section, so if I print the art for the front/back covers and the spine of the book would it be OK for me to make just one and sell it?
The answer is NO.
If I wanted to do that I would contact the member that posted the files and see if they were interested in a business transaction, so they could be fairly compensated for the time they spent creating the files.
The reason I (or anyone else) use the free paper prop section is because I don't have the skill set or talent to create (or replicate) most of that artwork, the people that do have the talent have VERY generously offered to share their talent with the community so that we can all enjoy this hobby more.

 

[Drac]

Thanks for the reply, I understand what your saying, but all I'm trying to wrap my head around here is that I have seen plenty on here that have done exactly what I was saying about the helmet example. I've seen threads where people have used a free pep file from someone's thread, built the helmet and then made a run, with no mention of having permission to sell the molded and finished helmet, that's the point I'm trying to understand.

Also I did not mean make the one off purposely to sell, as stated I meant if years later you decided to downsize your collection for example.

I myself am the same in some ways as you say, my skill level allows me to do a lot of artwork for personal paper props but not all, hence I drop by there myself.

Again I feel I must point out I'm NOT condoning recasting, neither do I support it or intend to do it myself, I'm merely trying to UNDERSTAND what others consider the "RULES" on the subject as they seem to be different depending on who you talk to here.

Selling something you purchased vs. selling something you got for free, with the express understanding that it would not be sold are very different situations. Extreme or not it is clearly stated in the rules to use the forum. I would view the examples you've given as recasting

ANY selling of a prop, whether it is a pep file base helmet, or a book cover used on an existing book should have the express permission of the paper prop creator (artist) to sell (if the file was in the free prop section), and I assume offering some form of financial compensation to the artist (since we're talking about selling it for money).
Example: I modified a kindle case to resemble the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy as a gift last Christmas, the artwork was available for free in the paper prop section, so if I print the art for the front/back covers and the spine of the book would it be OK for me to make just one and sell it?
The answer is NO.
If I wanted to do that I would contact the member that posted the files and see if they were interested in a business transaction, so they could be fairly compensated for the time they spent creating the files.
The reason I (or anyone else) use the free paper prop section is because I don't have the skill set or talent to create (or replicate) most of that artwork, the people that do have the talent have VERY generously offered to share their talent with the community so that we can all enjoy this hobby more.

 

[laellee]

Thanks for the reply, I understand what your saying, but all I'm trying to wrap my head around here is that I have seen plenty on here that have done exactly what I was saying about the helmet example. I've seen threads where people have used a free pep file from someone's thread, built the helmet and then made a run, with no mention of having permission to sell the molded and finished helmet, that's the point I'm trying to understand.

If you look at the instances of the example you've given above (and look at one of the helmet peps that have then been used to be completely finished, molded, cast, and sold), in the majority of those sales threads, permission has been gotten (whether this was outright stated in the FS thread or not). When a finished helmet cast run shows up in the JY, I know I'm not the only one that wants to know the origin before I consider purchasing.