Donald Glover for Spider-Man

[Jannix Quinn]

Nick Furry is funnier.

 

[The Stig]

People don't even read the threads; they just react.

That's so true. :lol

Another observation, anytime someone says "I'm not racist, but..." They're about to say some racist ****.

 

[Jannix Quinn]

I'm not racist but White Stig is better than Black Stig.

 

[The Stig]

:sleep

 

[0neiros]

It could work...I mean it did wonders for Catwoman didn't it?

 

[Jannix Quinn]

He's actually saying DUCK FRIDAY for some reason.

 

[Whiskey]

It could work...I mean it did wonders for Catwoman didn't it?

Not to mention "Wild Wild West?" :confused

 

[CTF]

Colour don't matter.

A story does, though.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

The black panther is the chief of the Panther Tribe of the African nation of Wakanda. So it's implicit in his backstory that he's African. Also Luke Cage was the first Black charecter to have his own dedicated comic in a sea of white heros, so the fact that he was black was a milestone in itself (this in a time soon after the civil rights movement). Though I don't see anything in particular that in a synopis of his storyline would prevent someone of a different race from playing the Luke cage charector and it changing the plot, but I'm not familiar enough with him.

As for why I wouldn't care if a person of a different race played spiderman let's let Stan 'the man' Lee answer that one himself:

"Any reader, of any race, in any part of the world, can imagine himself under that costume — and fantasize that he himself is Spider-Man. I'm not sure we planned it that way, but it's just one of those fortunate coincidences that has made our arachnid-inspired adventurer arguably the most empathetic superhero ever to wiggle a web."

I did not ask you why you would not care. I asked you to give me one reason for the change.

 

[jarvis]

Ah, I see. My reason is simply, if there is an actor with the talent and charisma to play peter parker then I don't think he should be passed over simply because of he's not white.

 

[frosty]

I'm sorry but parker is a white guy, started out that way in the comics as has been said, and its a fundemental part of who the character is, this' its racist' crap is pathetic, i hate that PC crap

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Ah, I see. My reason is simply, if there is an actor with the talent and charisma to play peter parker then I don't think he should be passed over simply because of he's not white.

...nevermind. Like talking to a wall.

 

[propologist]

I want Spiderman to be Mexican or oriental.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

You mean "Asian", right?

 

[Solo4114]

Solo, I think my beef is that I don't care about any illusion of 'canon' that writers have tried -- in vein -- to hold up all these years. Each story is a story that has to stand on it's own legs, and if to do that you decide to have Spiderman played by a black actor, it really doesn't make any difference to me. Any change to canon needs no more justification than it's effective implementation in the drama. I don't need a thinly veiled attempt at canonizing by integration into the plot. That's all gravy.

But none of this matters because the movie will probably suck. Hard.

Also, I'm not arguing that this wouldn't anger people. Of COURSE it would. Look around this place. A swively phaser and people boycott the movie. I'm just ruminatin' on what I think people ought or oughtn't do with adaptation.

Fair enough. In this case, though, I'd say it's a fundamental quality of the character, rather than an ancillary quality. A fundamental part of the character's look that goes beyond inkblots or the occasional error in coloring.

Hehe, what about the first issue of the hulk?

You are arguing that it's comic cannon, but are forgetting that the people that make up the majority of box office returns, parents and their kids, will likely not care about that. They're there to see spiderman, a geeky kid, put on that costume, and fight evil. If a Glover pops up on screen, they would make note of it sure, but I'm willing to bet that they'd move past it in an instant and then just enjoy the movie. (while you and some other fanboys are at home yelling "but he's white in all the comics!!!)

Actually, Hulk's been grey a bunch of times. It's just that most people think of the Hulk as green. Which pretty much gets back to my point: audiences have a preconceived sense of what the character looks like, and these characters are broadly known enough that they go well beyond the mere fanboy crowd.

I mean, admittedly, if you wanted to make, say, Booster Gold black, most audiences wouldn't bat an eye...since they have no idea who Booster Gold is. But with Spiderman, you'd have more than just the fanboys saying "WTF?" As far as The Hulk is concerned, if you made him grey, the fanboys would be the ones who say "Oh cool. They're going back to his original coloring" whereas the majority of the audience would be saying WTF. Just like they would if Peter Parker were something other than white. It's part of the popular understanding of what the character looks like. Studios mess with that at their own peril.

The black panther is the chief of the Panther Tribe of the African nation of Wakanda. So it's implicit in his backstory that he's African.

Ah, but by your own logic, he could just as easily be a white orphan who is declared chief (like so many Republic serials might've done). All that's important is that he's Wakandan royalty and chief of the tribe, right? What does it matter whether he's a blond-haired, blue-eyed chief descended of English royalty, instead of a native African?

Also Luke Cage was the first Black charecter to have his own dedicated comic in a sea of white heros, so the fact that he was black was a milestone in itself (this in a time soon after the civil rights movement). Though I don't see anything in particular that in a synopis of his storyline would prevent someone of a different race from playing the Luke cage charector and it changing the plot, but I'm not familiar enough with him.

As for why I wouldn't care if a person of a different race played spiderman let's let Stan 'the man' Lee answer that one himself:

"Any reader, of any race, in any part of the world, can imagine himself under that costume — and fantasize that he himself is Spider-Man. I'm not sure we planned it that way, but it's just one of those fortunate coincidences that has made our arachnid-inspired adventurer arguably the most empathetic superhero ever to wiggle a web."

The "Could be anyone in the suit" element has to do with Spiderman (or Iron Man if you prefer -- the suit for which was worn by Jim Rhodes when Tony Stark was a raging binge drinker). Peter Parker, on the other hand, is white. I think the point here is that people are melding Peter Parker -- nerdy white boy -- with Spiderman. So, I will agree with you that you could have a black Spiderman as long as the suit looked right (hey, you could even put him in the black suit), but the character wearing the suit couldn't be Peter Parker.

So, maybe the better way to argue this is to say "Peter Parker can't be black, unless he's an 'alternate universe' Peter Parker." Spiderman, however, could be anyone in the suit...in the sense of "any character with similar superpowers other than Peter Parker."

 

[DarkKnight]

why dont we have a movie about Abe Lincoln and make him black, listen spiderman batman superman they are white. Dracula is white, Blackula is black. people and characters are the color they are, why are we reinventing the wheel, if the actor in question is good great, make him a black version of spiderman from an alternate universe or a different spiderman remember supergirl, superboy,superdog

 

[propologist]

You mean "Asian", right?

humm Asian good food

 

[Jack Bauer]

might as well make him an elderly female half Native American half Asian little person. If were going to screw up Spider-man just to be more hip and wrongly PC, might as well cover more bases.

 

[SSgt Burton]

You know what would be really crazy?

If this time around Spiderman could not shoot webs out of his wrists, and Peter Parker had to build a set of web shooters! :wacko :rolleyes

Nick Furry is funnier.

Yeah but is he furrier?


Kevin

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Ah, I see. My reason is simply, if there is an actor with the talent and charisma to play peter parker then I don't think he should be passed over simply because of he's not white.

I want a girl spider-man... and don't say that can't happen because spider-man is called spider-*man*. That's sexist. Nowadays an actress isn't called an actress anymore, it's called an actor, same with many other professions and names for clothes - no more gender specific names as that was sexist, so we CAN have a female SPIDER-MAN. I want a female Spider-Man and she should be Kristen Bell!!!!!!!!!!!!!