Dissecting Phantom Menace's lightsaber duel

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Mola Rob

Sr Member
He didn't even mention the idiotic move where Qui-Gon fails to wait for Obi-Wan to catch up with him. Dude you couldn't beat Maul with help from Obi-Wan what makes you think you could beat him by yourself? Oh wait you couldn't. Noble end my ass.
 

cayman shen

Master Member
Hahahahaha, yeah...but ROTS is worse. You can practically see one waiting while the other attacks in the Dooku duel at times. Still, the saber fights are fun and though I think the one in TPM is a bit overwrought, the shallow part of me that isn't too critical is okay to just watch Darth Maul being pretty.
 

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Supa troop

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the bit about that saber dual that really winds me up, is the wasted minutes when Qui Gon and Maul are waiting for that force field type thing to change, i mean why ?? we could have had at least 2-3 minutes extra dualing
 

DuneMuadDib

Sr Member
the bit about that saber dual that really winds me up, is the wasted minutes when Qui Gon and Maul are waiting for that force field type thing to change, i mean why ?? we could have had at least 2-3 minutes extra dualing
A way to separate Obi-Wan from Qui-Gon so one superfluous character could off the other before jobbing to Obi-Wan.

Ultimately it's no different from any other sword fight in cinema where they aim for the sword and not actually trying to injure the other person like an real sword fight would be. But it could at least be made to look like they were aiming in the general direction of the other guy.
 

Timmythekid

Sr Member
Yeah, check out Robin Hood. Brilliant choreography, but no way are Flyn and Rathbone doing anything different. This isn't new.
 

cayman shen

Master Member
A way to separate Obi-Wan from Qui-Gon so one superfluous character could off the other before jobbing to Obi-Wan.
A STUPID way to separate them. Why not have made it that when Obi-Wan was kicked off the catwalk, he had to run a long way for a ladder or lift instead of taking that ridiculously huge leap? Then they'd have been apart, and OB could get in just in time to see QGJ slain. No "convenient laser door of doom" silliness.

And Jason, really, the best? Because there were actors? Who did no emoting in a fight that did nothing to advance the story until one of them dies? How about the Princess Bride or Crouching Tiger?
 

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DuneMuadDib

Sr Member
A STUPID way to separate them. Why not have made it that when Obi-Wan was kicked off the catwalk, he had to run a long way for a ladder or lift instead of taking that ridiculously huge leap? Then they'd have been apart, and OB could get in just in time to see QGJ slain. No "convenient laser door of doom" silliness.

And Jason, really, the best? Because there were actors? Who did no emoting in a fight that did nothing to advance the story? How about the Princess Bride or Crouching Tiger?
I'll second "Princess Bride." My favorite duel on-screen and in context the flynning works. Plus if the story I've heard about how long they practiced for that fight it true it makes it all the better for me.

And the top paragraph bore repeating :)
 

Kerr Avon

Master Member
A STUPID way to separate them. Why not have made it that when Obi-Wan was kicked off the catwalk, he had to run a long way for a ladder or lift instead of taking that ridiculously huge leap? Then they'd have been apart, and OB could get in just in time to see QGJ slain. No "convenient laser door of doom" silliness.
I always wondered why he never just used his saber to destroy the laser emitters that were clearly unguarded by the laser.
 

John Barnett

New Member
What I always wondered about that laser shielding was- What reaction is taking place at the center that requires layered, sequenced energy fields straight out of a 16 bit platform game? Once they got inside, nothing was happening. No plasma explosion or caustic unicorn farts. If the reactor or whatever it is inside is not reacting, why is the shielding up and running its sequence? Maybe I missed someone smashing a wall console and starting it up?

Personally, I thought the entire concept, apart from separating Obi and Qui Gon, was to set up a "character" moment with Qui Gon kneeling in meditation while Darth Maul paces like a tiger, impatiently. Trouble is, once you've left your padawan behind to engage with a guy you can't solo, it's too late to try to show how zen you are.
 

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Sidewinder

Sr Member
Why would you want shielding to go off and on in the first place?

I've found if you sing in a shrill voice in time with the music "columns of light, what do they do? No handrails no handrails" and "Forcefields turn on, forcefields turn off! There's no reason there's no reason" it all makes a bit more sense.

SAS
 

Timmythekid

Sr Member
I'll second "Princess Bride." My favorite duel on-screen and in context the flynning works.
And the top paragraph bore repeating :)

Lift a glass to Bob Anderson, we miss you!
Actually, a bunch of the later Flyn stuff too...thanks again, Bob, wherever you are now!

Crouching Tiger? Meh, hated the choreography in that because it felt like choreography. Maybe wire-fu just isn't for me.

And I wasn't getting down on the Robin Hood fight, I was just pointing out that it's silly to attack TPM for swinging for the swords - that's just what movie fights look like, and have for the better part of a century.
 

NakedMoleRat

Sr Member
Why not just use 'force run' to get past the fields in the first place. I swear jedi are the dumbest warriors in the galaxy. They have the sum power of the universe at their disposal, but seem to forget how to use it most of the time. If it wasn't for the fact that the Empire spends all their money on white armour and nothing on target practice, they would have died out long ago...
 

clancampbell

Sr Member
the bit about that saber dual that really winds me up, is the wasted minutes when Qui Gon and Maul are waiting for that force field type thing to change, i mean why ?? we could have had at least 2-3 minutes extra dualing
I know what you mean, also, why didn't Maul use the Force to attack the Jedi when the stupid laser door was up? Or, maybe Qui-gon could have Force pushed Maul down the big, inexplicable hole in the floor?

Sigh.....TPM, the film that just keeps on giving.....(me a headache)

Rich
 

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