Probe Droid
Master Member
Thanks again, gents:thumbsup
Disney buying Lucasfilm (new Star Wars movies on tap)
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Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I LOLed a little here.
I believe I read that Disney is leaving Indy alone to flesh out more Star Wars and that is has nothing to do with Paramount's distribution rights. After all, Paramount also handled Iron Man and Disney soaked that up as well.
I agree Qui. Disney wants the Wars. It's like dating the hot chick but having to set up her fugly sister up with someone too. It's a package deal.
Mark Hamill Talks More 'Star Wars' Movies in 1983, Plus Rumored Storylines and Directors for 'Episode 7' | Movie News | Movies.com
Lucas sure had all this planned down to the year and was off by only four years as to when Mark Hamill would end up reprising his role.
Lucas sure had all this planned down to the year and was off by only four years as to when Mark Hamill would end up reprising his role.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Thanks for that Vivek. I knew I remembered something about this from the Today Show way back when.
rodneyfaile
Sr Member
I wonder if there will be Star Wars themed sections at the Disney parks?
I love all this disney crack down talk. You all realize that the 501st "is" the parade every year at SWW right? And they do it for free! They just get some tickets.
I've been to many events at WDW, and for the Halloween events there are people who come who's costumes are better than what is actually used by disney. 2 weeks ago I saw an amazing Belle costume at the magic kingdom that was made by someone at home. This woman had more people waiting to take pics with her than actual characters. They actually gave her a security guard cause she was so swamped by people. This was on disney property where than can actually enforce what ever they want, and they helped her.
There are tons of marvel, and disney stuff on this site.. again they do nothing. The sky is falling OMG!!!
rodneyfaile
Sr Member
Disney made National Treasure. How about that? lol just kidding
I don't think Indy can be brought back without a young Harrison Ford. Maybe they could have another Young Indiana Jones Adventures series.
I still want them to make another Tron.
Timmythekid
Sr Member
That's all well and good, and you're right about Fox not being too terribly concerned about helping Disney out with a release. Here's where it kind of falls apart though:
The SEs, as has been discussed ad nauseum, were only scanned in 1080p, apparently not even 2k, though even THAT would still be insufficient. the effects work was rendered at 1080p. Due to an uncharacteristic lack of forthought by Lucas (unless back in '97 he was already guessing he'd have cashed out before it became an issue...who knows) the SEs are STUCK at 1080p. And it's 1080p based on technology closing in on 15 years old at this point. The sensors used in the scan do not have the depth of colour or dynamic range you would see on a modern transfer.
The BDs, in my mind, were a last chance to wring some revenue out of the existing digital masters LFL had already paid for. They simply will not support any further HD or beyond HD presentations in the future. This leaves a dillema for whoever owns the property. Either you pay for a brand new restoration and (let's hope) 8k scan of the surviving negs, and put the SE back together again (costly, as at a very bare minimum you need to update shaders and let the render farm churn out all of the shots, redo the compositing, and essentially rebuild the SE from scratch), OR you have to restore and scan the surviving negs, make a big fuss about how magical the SEs were, and how as Lucas's specially vision you've decided, as a sign of respect of course,that you're leaving them in the vault, and base any future releases on the way the films were originally presented.
Either way if you want to have home releases of these films in the future it means you need to, at some point, do a brand new restoration from the negs. Your options come down to A)one way costs more, makes your ex-chairman and owner happy, pleases the vast majority of fans, and pisses of a vocal minority. or B)the other way pisses off the guy you just paid to hand over his toys and go home, makes the vocal minority happy, and still pleases the vast majority of fans. And here's the best part - it's cheaper to do than option 1, and leaves that slightly used effects house you just bought free to keep working on current projects.
The upshot is that if Disney wants to make any money off of the existing part of the saga they just bought for 4 billion, they're going to have to suck up their pride and make nice with Fox. That means either Disney pays Fox some money to let them proceed "this one time", or some more money and a cut of future releases, or a whole TUCKLOAD of money to let Disney take the whole thing off Fox's hands. It almost doesn't matter - the end result is that if you want to generate revenue from the OT, you're going to have to spend the cash to restore the original negs. RotS is an interesting dillema, as it never existed in anything other than a 1080p version....but that's a wall of text for another time
Timmythekid
Sr Member
They just paid 4 billion for a franchise based on its past returns of the product I'm talking about. I don't think it begs the question too hard
LOL! Yes, what I am suggesting is why bother trying to create a revenue sharing distribution scheme with Fox to try and produce a restored version of the OT when they have an entire new universe of content to focus on. I just don't see a lit of motivation to do yet another release of the OT films.
Solo4114
Master Member
That's interesting. I hadn't thought about any of that -- how it would actually cost more to rehab the SEs than to rescan and preserve the OOT.
Question:
Would it be possible to do both? E.g., rescan the OOT, and then re-do the SE effects and scenes for them? I mean, if you're going the SE route, wouldn't it make sense to do it that way and then just sell the whole package to folks?
If you wanted to respect Lucas' wishes, you could simply only package the OOT with the SEs, but could offer the SEs in their own standalone packaging (kind of like how they have the PT and SEs sold separately, but without a bunch of the bonus material).
Question:
Would it be possible to do both? E.g., rescan the OOT, and then re-do the SE effects and scenes for them? I mean, if you're going the SE route, wouldn't it make sense to do it that way and then just sell the whole package to folks?
If you wanted to respect Lucas' wishes, you could simply only package the OOT with the SEs, but could offer the SEs in their own standalone packaging (kind of like how they have the PT and SEs sold separately, but without a bunch of the bonus material).
Solo4114
Master Member
You posted while I was posting, but I'll address that question.
Why bother reissuing ANY film on a new media format? Because there's a market for it.
Why bother remastering:
- North by Northwest?
- The Terminator?
- the entire Bond franchise?
- Big Trouble in Little China?
Why bother doing ANY of those? Because there's a market. And this would be essentially new product that nobody had. You could sell the remastered SEs as "Newer, higher definition versions with never-before-seen levels of detail." And you could sell that version of it alongside "The long-awaited restoration of the original films, as seen in the theaters."
Timmythekid
Sr Member
Because there's gold in them thar hills. Regardless of what Fox would want for it, the BD release sales of the existing movies were a record-breaking, what, $85 million in the first week alone? Now imagine this supported by the interest generated by a new trilogy of films. Look what happened during the PT - the availability of new product did not put any downward pressure on demand for the OT, quite the opposite.
Every single time we've had a new format brought into existence the first cry from early adopters is "When can we have Star Wars?!". Can you imagine leaving the inevitable demand for a next-gen home video release of the OT untapped? I'll bet you neither can Disney.
Also, using the logic that because the BD release has happened there is dimishing demand is akin to saying that because the films bowed on DVD there shouldn't have been demand on BD. Or VHS/DVD for that matter. One thing we know about technology companies like Toshiba and Sony is that they want us wanting what's next. BD has just started getting serious penetration, and the major players are already trying to get consumers excited about the next format. That's going to be at least a few years coming, but it IS coming, count on it.
Every single time we've had a new format brought into existence the first cry from early adopters is "When can we have Star Wars?!". Can you imagine leaving the inevitable demand for a next-gen home video release of the OT untapped? I'll bet you neither can Disney.
Also, using the logic that because the BD release has happened there is dimishing demand is akin to saying that because the films bowed on DVD there shouldn't have been demand on BD. Or VHS/DVD for that matter. One thing we know about technology companies like Toshiba and Sony is that they want us wanting what's next. BD has just started getting serious penetration, and the major players are already trying to get consumers excited about the next format. That's going to be at least a few years coming, but it IS coming, count on it.
But in the same respect that would simply diminish interest in have a non-SE original version if the films. I mean really, besides those if us who remember STAR WARS..no episode or A New Hope, who is really claiming for that release? And if Lucas feels that the Blu-ray SE us the only official version of his films, I doubt he would have allowed his company to be sold without assurances his creative vision remains unaltered. Consider the man for a moment and how obbsessed with this issue he has been.
Yeah cause they'd never reissue/revamp a Blu-ray again. Cough...Bladerunner..cough cough.
