Defiance

To avoid the silly mid-season hiatus, thankfully. I hate when they do that. I'd rather wait a little longer to have the season run without breaks.

Plus, I think it also gives the teams working on the show and the game enough to work on more of the overlap between the two (I mean, it takes time to develop DLC for a game just as much as time is needed for the production team for the show to write out episodes, create new props, build new sets {if any}, write new episodes, cast new actors/actresses for new characters, etc). Of course, I could be wrong about this idea.
 
I gave all of S1 a chance, but I'm not sure I'll be coming back for S2. The finale was a bit better than the rest of the season, but I still found myself skipping through parts out of boredom. I knew it was a bad sign when I was disappointed they brought Nolan back. :lol

Too much religious/fantasy type stuff, and not enough scifi for my liking. :unsure I'm glad SyFy seem to be showing some more dedication to the genre, I just think they've backed the wrong horse here.

I felt this way since the beginning. Where is the Science Fiction? I hope in a year someone will come out with something that is classified as real Sci-Fi and not a boring drama with mysticism, prostitution, politics, strange religions and way too much interpersonal 'stuff' for my liking. Where are the aliens blowing stuff up? Humans fighting back? Cool technology? SPACESHIPS? All I can say is thank goodness Falling Skies is back on.

Defiance lost my interest, if it even held it. I was giving it a good chance to get better, but it never really did it for me. The show was holding on by a tiny little thread because I was really trying to like it, but nope. I'm pretty much done with it. Sorry SyFy. You made another flop.

When Season 2 comes back on in a year and E1 doesn't make me LOVE it, then I'm REALLY done. I suffered through enough episodes. I'm not wasting my time on hoping a show will get better.
 
I felt this way since the beginning. Where is the Science Fiction? I hope in a year someone will come out with something that is classified as real Sci-Fi and not a boring drama with mysticism, prostitution, politics, strange religions and way too much interpersonal 'stuff' for my liking. Where are the aliens blowing stuff up? Humans fighting back? Cool technology? SPACESHIPS? All I can say is thank goodness Falling Skies is back on.

Defiance lost my interest, if it even held it. I was giving it a good chance to get better, but it never really did it for me. The show was holding on by a tiny little thread because I was really trying to like it, but nope. I'm pretty much done with it. Sorry SyFy. You made another flop.

When Season 2 comes back on in a year and E1 doesn't make me LOVE it, then I'm REALLY done. I suffered through enough episodes. I'm not wasting my time on hoping a show will get better.
That sounds to me more like space opera than science fiction. To me science fiction is just fiction that has science in the foreground or in the background. I like the techno-babble "If we don't fix the phase issue with the EPS conduit leading to the port manifold on deck B it could tear a whole in the space-time continuum for one point eight light years" as much as the next guy, but I also like "I got drunk last night and got in a fight with some guy at a bar because I said his girlfriend had a nice rack. And if my boss sees me like this she is going to send me home and give the job of deciphering the alien transmission to that idiot from Escalon 6."
 
Yeah, I think you're really limited if you think Science Fiction only involves spaceships and aliens attacking humanity.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like many/most sub-genres of Sci-Fi however I was much into the fantasy fair dust or Crockasaurus vs Megashark, but to each his own. I'm not all about blow-em-up space battles either, though they do have their place. Defiance writers need to watch Star Wars and Star Trek and see how phenomenally successful the franchises were. Not to say they were the only ones of consequence, simply used as an example. The masses are grabbed by action, compelling characters and scenarios that make some sort of sense. Defiance was just too much of everything thrown at you simultaneously, and to me, it was done poorly. You were inundated with situations that totally baffled the casual watcher wanting a good old SciFi drama. I lost interest in the first 10 minutes, but stuck it out. My 72 year old mother, who loves SciFi, was the same way. My friends, the ones that love SciFi, were not impressed. Out of the 7 of us that were eagerly awaiting this new series, 3 stayed on to watch Episode 2 even after me begging and finally convincing them to give it a second....third....fourth....and fifth chance. Then we leave with a completely infuriating year long mid-season (REALLY??? mid season at 13 episodes and a year wait??) finale not at a cliffhanger, fine...literally a cliffhanger though I kinda hope Irisa turns into some super being never to be seen from again, but finally an episode worth watching. Did it have to take 13 mostly boring episodes to get there?

I don't play the game so I had to ask here on RPF for clarification on the story of what happened. Perhaps show how and why the Earth got this way? How about a flashback to the war? Anything about the past...at all? No...they just wanted you to take it all on blind faith that this is the way it is. One could argue that Star Wars thrust you in the midst of a story, and in fact Lucas did, but it was a story you wanted to watch. Hell, he had the opening scroll of the state of the universe right there in the beginning. That was enough for you to 'get it' and get into it.

To those that love the show, good. I'm glad you found it entertaining. I really am. With the vacuum of SciFi shows for a good long time, I'm glad there was something to watch, but I wish I liked it.

I'm guess I'm just a cranky old purist who likes stories that are interesting. I'll stick to Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, SG1, Atlantis, SGU, Terra Nova (RIP), Falling Skies, Doctor Who, Blade Runner, Jurassic Park, Jaws, Dune, 1999, Dark Angel, Knight Rider, Andromeda.... Do I need to go on? Did I hit most of the SciFi genres?
 
Given that the next-to-last episode was titled "Past is Prologue" then one could interpret that to mean that all of season 1 is just the introduction of characters, settings, and themes. Season 2 is the start of the actual story.
 
Just to be clear here, this is NOT a mid-season break. The last episode was the last episode of season 1. When it returns next year, it will be season 2. Although I respect the opinions on those who couldn't get into the show, I'll just point out that it's an extremely rare sci-fi show that's outstanding right out of the gate. 99% of them need at least 2 seasons to really hit their stride and, frankly, I was surprised and pleased with the quality of most of the stories that Defiance had for us this season.

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I'm guess I'm just a cranky old purist who likes stories that are interesting. I'll stick to Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, SG1, Atlantis, SGU, Terra Nova (RIP), Falling Skies, Doctor Who, Blade Runner, Jurassic Park, Jaws, Dune, 1999, Dark Angel, Knight Rider, Andromeda.... Do I need to go on? Did I hit most of the SciFi genres?

I'm kind of surprised to see Falling Skies and Terra Nova on your list of shows you like. Not even my life-long love of dinos could keep me tuning in for TN and Falling Skies is just a mess to me right now.
 
Just to be clear here, this is NOT a mid-season break. The last episode was the last episode of season 1. When it returns next year, it will be season 2. Although I respect the opinions on those who couldn't get into the show, I'll just point out that it's an extremely rare sci-fi show that's outstanding right out of the gate. 99% of them need at least 2 seasons to really hit their stride and, frankly, I was surprised and pleased with the quality of most of the stories that Defiance had for us this season.

It's very true that scifi shows take longer to find their legs, since they're not only establishing characters, but the entire world they take place in, so I'm definitely more lenient towards a weaker start than for other genres. I've picked up a lot of scifi shows further into their run once they've gotten into the swing of things, then played catch up with the early episodes already knowing its potential.
Just look at Star Trek. Aside from TOS, I'd argue that all of them had serious turning points of major improvement with S3, with the first 2 season being the weakest of each of them. That's why I gave Defiance an entire season to develop despite not being interested with the pilot.

That said, there's not much in the show that showed promise to me. I certainly didn't hate it, but I didn't like any of the major characters enough to care what happens to them, I didn't like the tone/style of the show, I wasn't interested in the stories or character arcs, and I didn't like the focus on mysticism and lack of focus on the science or history that established this alternate future world. That's something I was interested in from the start, but it just picked up right in the middle of it with very little explanation, and didn't fill in many of the blanks along the way.

Personally, I'm not a fan of scifi shows that feel like the scifi is a secondary element, and not utilized to tell new ideas. A lot of the central themes of Defiance could have been told in any show imo. A lot of it is politics and drama. I enjoy when the central idea of the show includes a scifi element that allows them to tell human stories in new ways, and add an element of unpredictability. I don't get that feeling from Defiance, and I don't get the feeling that's a priority for them, or something the show at its core allows to even be included.

Even when early episodes of my favourite scifi shows have been weak, they've shown flashes of brilliance that have inspired me, and hooked me in. I never once got that feeling from Defiance, unfortunately. I found it to be a bit of a chore to get through each episode, to the point that I didn't make it through most episodes in one sitting because I got bored.

But science fiction is a very broad genre, so different elements appeal to different people. Each to their own!
 
No worries, Blob. It's all good. As far as I'm concerned, you get kudos for being open-minded enough to give it more than one or two episodes.
 
Rob, I totally agree with you on the background story. Even playing the game there are gaps. The tricky thing is how do you give the background with out being really cheesy about it? The pilot should have been two hours with the first part giving the background of what happened when the aliens got here, the colony down in South America, the Pale War, and how we managed to blow up all their arks.
 
Rob, I totally agree with you on the background story. Even playing the game there are gaps. The tricky thing is how do you give the background with out being really cheesy about it? The pilot should have been two hours with the first part giving the background of what happened when the aliens got here, the colony down in South America, the Pale War, and how we managed to blow up all their arks.

The pilot had a brief clip of Nolan as a kid when the ships first came, so I thought they were going to show a lot more of that in the episode woven into the story as flashbacks, or maybe even do it over the course of the season, revealing the details in pieces as it related to the story arcs. Given that they set it in a time period where many people were alive during the invasion, I'm surprised they didn't include a lot more detail than they did.

I think that was at least part of why I couldn't get more invested in the show. I didn't feel there was a plausible backstory there that connected me to the characters and situation, and I felt left behind from the start. I'm sure the producers/writers planned this stuff out when creating the show, but I didn't feel it came through in the story arcs.
 
Norman, BlobVanDam, I'm glad you get where I am coming from and put up perfect arguments as to why almost every episode was a chore to watch.
 
Okay I got to say this! There is absolutely no television on right now that deals with alien races. The one thing we still have is Doctor Who, and we won't have that soon at the rate they are going through Doctor's. Defiance is a great show for what it is, who is to say that with the events at the end of the first season we won't have tons of back story and flash backs in the next season. Also the back story of what happened to earth is on the website and in the game in the data that you would actually have to read. That is one of the things Trion and SyFy are trying to do with this project. The show was designed to be experienced from all different forms of possible "media bridging". Some of the data is in the game, some on the website, some in the show, and some on the during show sync apps. This may see protracted to some of you, but think of what that means. This is a show where not only are they listing to what the fans say, they actually write in your game character should you win certain tournament based contests in game, which when the arena come in with the new castithan expansion will become even more tournament based. Also you have a great cast of actors with a really great world they are laying the ground work for. I just mean think of it from this light, we had Battlestar, and would of had a great show in Caprica, if the fans would of just not trash talked it in its first season and let the story unfold. At least it's not time traveling dinotopia.
 
Also on the fantasy aspect I keep seeing, it's not in anyway fantasy. Religious yes because what happened in Startrek, and StarWars that you keep referencing more so in StarWars for a lack of a prime directive. Any advanced technology would appear like magic to a person from a society that never even thought of that type of tech. Like Picard being god to a planet cause of transporters, or the Jedi because, of what seems most logical from the errata and books, the midiclorian organo machines propagated by the Precursor race that built all the ancient relics and trapped that monster thing I for get the name. Arthur C. Clarke's Rama even with the nodal intelligence. Defiance's Irzu and the ship with the gold and silver keys more so gallows the idea of Halo and the Forerunners and the Precursors. Seeing that the indogenes are the top of all the tech I am betting that they were originally the servants of the Iratients that in their original form were the subjugators or guardians of the other races, prior to being overrun by the castithan.
 

Dude. I spent ages trying to find the right screencap for Irisa's badge, because sometimes her's looks like it says "deputy" and other times it looks like it says "lawkeeper." Tommy's is much more easy to read and much more consistent. Thanks for clearing this up! But no one is making a "deputy" badge, so I'm making do with Kev's "lawkeeper" badge for my cosplay. Oh, poor me. Such a hardship to wear that beauty. ;P

Edit: Hey! That posted without moderating! I'm a real girl now! ;D

(Or not. I get it now. Didn't realize junkyard posts didn't count in my total. I'll be a total n00b forever at this rate. But that's okay by me. *goes back to mostly lurking*)
 
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Here 2 more screencaps which might help you to make your mind up ! Have fun ! Cheers
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Here 2 more screencaps which might help you to make your mind up ! Have fun ! Cheers
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Yup, it says "deputy" nearly all of the time, but its so unclear in most scenes that I didn't think it mattered much. Though I'm generally a big stickler for detail, Kev's badge is so dang pretty that it just doesn't matter to me. :) I can forgive a change in wording for that piece of brass on my cosplay! :D
 
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