Coolmodels at it again..recasting
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MustangGTR1
Sr Member
It is not just in this hobby at all. I build cars and collect them as well, people buy kits and recast and sell stuff off them all the time, ebay is full of it. Hell, they even selll them at some on line stores as well.
To give you an idea of how high they run, rear deck spoilers weight wise, 3 of them dont even weight in at a full gram of resin, but they sell them for 8 bucks each, plus shipping.
So it is not just here in this hobby at all,,,Kev
To give you an idea of how high they run, rear deck spoilers weight wise, 3 of them dont even weight in at a full gram of resin, but they sell them for 8 bucks each, plus shipping.
So it is not just here in this hobby at all,,,Kev
p0sitr0nic
Well-Known Member
Im just going on what, AFAIK, the RPF rules are. I dont support the practice on anything.
MustangGTR1
Sr Member
Stuff such as this goes on every where, has for 50 plus years....Kev
Noeland
Master Member
It was created by scratch? By a guy in his garage cutting up sheet styrene and sculpting balls of clay by hand for 25 hours? I didn't know that.
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bendyzaius
New Member
Sorry, I'm a little new to this whole discussion but I was wondering about a few things. LeMarchand does not own Warner Brothers Pictures right? He also is likely not Robert Fletcher who did the costumes for last Starfighter, right?(thanks IMDB) So what is the argument here? Party A can make $$ from reacsts of an original prop but not party B from casts of a recast? Isn't this like going to the police and complaining that someone stole your Cocaine? The logic just escapes me.
p0sitr0nic
Well-Known Member
The term "Honor among thieves" was bandied about a lot here in the old days. Way back when the only reasonable way to get a lightsaber was to either find the parts, and make it, or buy a resin copy.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
That's the whole issue and with trying not to turn this into yet another recasting morality discussion then it is quite simple. Most of what we do is against the law... but in order to stay under the radar the community self-governs itself so as to not have it spiral out of control and bring the full extent of the law down upon us and shut the whole community down. We make these rules up to protect ourselves and to prevent legal intervention - recasting brings unwanted attention to the community.
Since it's all illegal, unless you only buy licensed stuff or actual screen used items, there is no legal security other than the trust and honor from the community to protect each other. Without it, it will just be a hive of scum freely exploiting others for the sake of their own wallets and prestige, without regard for the time, sweat, tears and money spent on making the original.
The community makes the rules - they are not legal, as the whole thing is illegal. It is done to retain and respect the craftsman, as why would he do or offer anything to the community if they just turn around and openly recast and flaunt it in his face?
****... didn't want to get into a long post about this... yet again, again... should have just written it simply - this is what I try to follow:
Cast off Screen Used - good (unless there are accurate licensed equivalents).
Cast off Licensed1 (no longer produced items) - not so good, but still not bad.
Cast off Licensed2 (still in production) - bad (as who wants a copy when you can get a real one?)
Copy of a copy or of a private individuals original work or offering (recast) - bad (I wanna grind somebody to a pulp fiction bad) .
In the model kit community all recasting is bad - copy of a licensed and unlicensed piece alike. But the whole community of garage kits is illegal, so they self-govern to protect the sculptor. Just to show how different communities can have different rules and guidelines on the subject.
Recasting drives away original artists and you are left with the same old, same old... bringing nothing new to the community.
p0sitr0nic
Well-Known Member
Thats the best breakdown ive seen.
TheSt.LouisKid
Sr Member
NoHumorMan,
An excellent point.
There are things I have scratch built that I won't offer for this very reason. I know 3 other scratch builders who think the same way.
As I have said here before, this is the other way recasters cheat all of you.
The original artist sees recasting and decides not to offer it to the general public which cheats the prop/model enthusiest whos chances of getting a copy is now snuffed before any consideration is made to do copies.
As one example, here is a simple piece I did. I won't offer it since it can be duped by making the easiest type of mold. I have had people here on the RPF ask me to buy a copy and I turn them down because of recasting. I have given out perhaps 7 of these to friends...and one to Leslie Neilsen when he was in town.
Read up and report recasting news at PropSafe. http://s1.zetaboards.com/propsafe/index/
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
A shame as that is a really nice and smooth piece. Cool story about Leslie Nielsen. I believe you've mentioned it before, but still cool.
IndyFanChuck
Sr Member
Plain and simple. People who recast are thieves. They should be put in a blender, crushed and melted, and them put together again and killed 4 or 5 more times.
Recasting sucks. Don't try to figure out what KIND of recasting is okay, its all bad. I can't imagine someone busting their butt and creating something amazing, then having Mr. X sell their work on ebay.
Bad form, bad ethics, bad everything. Recasters SUCK!
Recasting sucks. Don't try to figure out what KIND of recasting is okay, its all bad. I can't imagine someone busting their butt and creating something amazing, then having Mr. X sell their work on ebay.
Bad form, bad ethics, bad everything. Recasters SUCK!
p0sitr0nic
Well-Known Member
It goes beyond the physical too. I design video games as a hobby. Old school 16 bit stuff. I do the character sprites and the tiles. ive found so many of my character sprites out on the net, my name sImply removed and someone elses put in its place.
I may not make props that people want, but I do know the feeling.
I may not make props that people want, but I do know the feeling.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Well, you may not make props that people want, but you do make things people want enough to steal.
You'd always wish that your creation when used for the wrong purposes would just develop into a bomb and explode in their faces, ridding the world of the thieving, no quality control scum. :lol
Invicta
Sr Member
NoHumorMan,
An excellent point.
There are things I have scratch built that I won't offer for this very reason. I know 3 other scratch builders who think the same way.
As I have said here before, this is the other way recasters cheat all of you.
The original artist sees recasting and decides not to offer it to the general public which cheats the prop/model enthusiest whos chances of getting a copy is now snuffed before any consideration is made to do copies.
As one example, here is a simple piece I did. I won't offer it since it can be duped by making the easiest type of mold. I have had people here on the RPF ask me to buy a copy and I turn them down because of recasting. I have given out perhaps 7 of these to friends...and one to Leslie Neilsen when he was in town.
Read up and report recasting news at PropSafe. http://s1.zetaboards.com/propsafe/index/
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I remember that thread and was gutted that they weren't going to be for sale, but I understand the reasoning behind the decision and agree with it.
It's a shame that scumbag recasters have denied true prop collectors the chance to own unique pieces.
Invicta
Sr Member
I've just found the listing and photos. From what I can remember yours is much better than the POS being offered on the bay.
By the way are you still selling your replicas? I might be in the market after Christmas. When the "new home" spending has calmed down a bit.
punisher
Sr Member
If I was you, I would not try to understand the recasting "thing" its pretty confusing.:lol
CB2001
Master Member
These guys are recasters? Dang! I'm glad I didn't buy anything from them (and the sad thing is I feature them in my MegaCon video on YouTube)
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Sweet badge man think i'll have a pop at making one myself :thumbsup
Plain simple: Recasters are no-talent-hacks who look into making a quick buck, and they will cheat, steal, lie, betray and just screw anyone over to do so. We don't want to be involved with these types of people.
We, here, are builders, designers, hobbyists, researchers, collectors, engineers, craftsmen, enthusiasts, life-long product-fabricators, costume-makers, and fans who never grew-out of those things that, partially, defined our childhoods and, today, defines our community-bond.
Although money is a big part of the game, as with most hobbies, our motivation is the self-fulfillment, compensation, and recognition, this rare hobby brings to each one of us. Because we know of the hardships of building something out of blurry screen-grabs, we admire and respect each other's efforts and achievements; therefore, recasting another hobbyist's work is beneath us.
Molding something, and casting, is something a monkey can do. Building something to be molded can only be done by talent, experience, knowledge and instinct. We honor those ingredients. Recasters don't.
We, here, are builders, designers, hobbyists, researchers, collectors, engineers, craftsmen, enthusiasts, life-long product-fabricators, costume-makers, and fans who never grew-out of those things that, partially, defined our childhoods and, today, defines our community-bond.
Although money is a big part of the game, as with most hobbies, our motivation is the self-fulfillment, compensation, and recognition, this rare hobby brings to each one of us. Because we know of the hardships of building something out of blurry screen-grabs, we admire and respect each other's efforts and achievements; therefore, recasting another hobbyist's work is beneath us.
Molding something, and casting, is something a monkey can do. Building something to be molded can only be done by talent, experience, knowledge and instinct. We honor those ingredients. Recasters don't.
