Captain America: Civil War (Post-release)

[JD]

You're entitled to your opinion--even if it's wrong--and it is.

'Old' Peggy Carter in winter soldier was not prosthetic old age make up. That's why it looked good.

You can deny all you'd like for the sake of your ego. The holier-than-thou, better-than-everyone attitude of "I can tell, it doesn't look good to me" is a kids game - if that's what you want to play - have at it.

Again, in most cases, it goes back to known actors having the old age make-up treatment being applied to them. You can say it never works for you - you might actually feel that way... but, that doesn't make it true.

There are plenty of examples of bad movie old age make-up and there are plenty of great examples. But, seeing that these are established actors where we know what they look like - it's obvious. They're not all Saul the Jewish Guy, John Blaylock, Martha Gellhorn or.. sometimes you get Back to the Future II or what-have-you.

 

[Laspector]

Okay,fine, whatever. You win. Every old age make up I've seen looks even more real than an actual old person! You won an internet argument, you can live the rest of your life happy now! I'm done with this particular topic.


Here's something about the movie that got me--It didn't seem to me that Bucky had very much emotional remorse for what he has done. I mean yes, he says he remembers them all, and even permits himself to be put back on ice at the end, but during the movie he sure seems to have no problem with letting Cap "fight" for him. Just seems to me we should have been able to see some more of his inner turmoil and guilt. Outwardly, he seems to have a pretty stoic attitude about it.

 

[Father]

We're not going to be "fooled" by Hayley Atwell (or other known actors) made to look older because we know how old she is and what she really looks like. I'd wager if we had pro make-up artists do the same type of job to an unknown it would be much more difficult, if not impossible to tell to them apart for us "regular" movie viewers.

Don't let the egos convince you otherwise.

I was fooled. I figured they got an actual old lady to play old Peggy like old Rose was not the same actress as young Rose in Titanic.

 

[JD]

Here's something about the movie that got me--It didn't seem to me that Bucky had very much emotional remorse for what he has done. I mean yes, he says he remembers them all, and even permits himself to be put back on ice at the end, but during the movie he sure seems to have no problem with letting Cap "fight" for him. Just seems to me we should have been able to see some more of his inner turmoil and guilt. Outwardly, he seems to have a pretty stoic attitude about it.

It definitely would've made it a whole lot easier to sympathize with him and Cap has Bucky shown some remorse or at least some sort of emotion towards his actions. I've been debating quite a bit recently about what Civil War was really about - at the root, it's about Sokovia Accords... but, it becomes much more about Cap protecting Bucky.


(...and it wasn't about winning or losing. ...and my life was just happy one way or the other, thanks for caring).

 

[KrangPrime]

this is why marvel will always win over DC in the movies. they understand their characters.

Even the 'villains' convoluted plot worked out rather well...although I would like to know how he knew the government would do what it did with just ONE more incident, after the first major three or so happened.

Something tells me though, this 'accord' might be a hydra plot to divide and conquer. except for ultron, those previous adventures where hardly the avengers fault. and they did make a point to show that they helped as many citizens as they could. Cap had the right attitude about the whole thing, I think stuff will happen, you do your best to avoid it, and help if you can't.

A long movie, but it never once felt dragging.

never saw black panther before, but he was awesome. nice to see ant man back.
Spiderman, I have a feeling could walk the line between annoying, and cool. He's still WAY WAY too young.

other than that, another win for marvel.

not sure what to make about dr.strange. another property i have no diea about. preview didn't really win me over, especially knowing one character is supposed to be asian, not white.we'll see what else is out around the time of that...


Oh, and as for bucky... he was brainwashed and totrtured. my guess is he's had all the outward emotion washed out of him. the only time we saw ANYTHING from him in the whole movie was when he smiled at the kiss. that was nice to see some of his 'old' self returning.

Oh, and does anyone else think it's kind of weird that cap and peggy's daughter might start dating? felt kind of wrong somehow..

 

[Snikt]

You're entitled to your opinion--even if it's wrong--and it is.

'Old' Peggy Carter in winter soldier was not prosthetic old age make up. That's why it looked good.

It didnt look good. Thats the thing. It looked like part of a cartoon was on her face. I get JD's point about the ego aspect, your ego got very much in the way of this particular argument. To not say any old age make up has never worked is asinine. As an aspiring make up artist, old age, and beauty make ups are the first things they teach you how to do, because surprise, they are in high demand. I agree, that when they are well done, both work seamlessly. Skinny Cap in TFA was extremely well done. Peggy in WS was not. X3 was not. Guy Pearce in prometheus was not. Tilda Swinton in Budepest hotel was well done. But to say that make up has never worked, is, for lack of a better word, stupid. Now if you said that you dont like it, that would be different, and yes, junior Batman, you deduced that actors are in fact wearing make up to appear older. So you know its fake. Congrats lol.

 

[TKRalph]

Whether we like the effects or not..They are doing what they want to do.

 

[Father]

[QUOTEHere's something about the movie that got me--It didn't seem to me that Bucky had very much emotional remorse for what he has done. I mean yes, he says he remembers them all, and even permits himself to be put back on ice at the end, but during the movie he sure seems to have no problem with letting Cap "fight" for him. Just seems to me we should have been able to see some more of his inner turmoil and guilt. Outwardly, he seems to have a pretty stoic attitude about it.

It definitely would've made it a whole lot easier to sympathize with him and Cap has Bucky shown some remorse or at least some sort of emotion towards his actions. I've been debating quite a bit recently about what Civil War was really about - at the root, it's about Sokovia Accords... but, it becomes much more about Cap protecting Bucky.


(...and it wasn't about winning or losing. ...and my life was just happy one way or the other, thanks for caring).[/QUOTE]

I guess people rad faces differently. While Bucky has a pretty vacant look through the majority of the movie, I think he also has a very tortured look on his face, like he's shouldering an enormous amount of guilt even though he wasn't in control when he was The Winter Soldier.

 

[Snikt]

Especially when he said "I still did it" when he was with Cap. Even when he asks cap if he is worth it made me sad a little.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Regarding old-age make-up or effects, one thing they need to get right are the eyes and eyebrows. Old Peggy's eyes in TWS were too young still, even if I thought the rest of the effect was good.

this is why marvel will always win over DC in the movies. they understand their characters.

Even the 'villains' convoluted plot worked out rather well...although I would like to know how he knew the government would do what it did with just ONE more incident, after the first major three or so happened.

Something tells me though, this 'accord' might be a hydra plot to divide and conquer. except for ultron, those previous adventures where hardly the avengers fault. and they did make a point to show that they helped as many citizens as they could. Cap had the right attitude about the whole thing, I think stuff will happen, you do your best to avoid it, and help if you can't.

Remember that HYDRA was doing all manner of shenanigans from within S.H.I.E.L.D., including making weapons based on the ones confiscated from HYDRA during WWII and poking the Tesseract. I can easily see them controlling the narrative up through TWS, steering public perception toward blaming the Avengers, and later events would just confirm that.

But I don't think Zemo cared about the Accords one way or another -- when they were announced and the meeting site set, he iincorporated it all into his plan to destroy the Avengers (even if none of them died, the damage done would destroy the lives of Steve and Tony, at least, as he felt his had been destroyed). I'm looking forward to seeing Zemo again, and wonder if he'll "inherit" Wolfgang von Strucker's barony...

not sure what to make about dr.strange. another property i have no diea about. preview didn't really win me over, especially knowing one character is supposed to be asian, not white.we'll see what else is out around the time of that...

As someone who is familiar with both the source material and Marvel Studios' track record with tweaking details while honoring the essence, I have faith... And zero issues with Tilda as the Ancient One. She's ambiguous enough I can see her character predating such newfangled notions as "Asian".

Oh, and does anyone else think it's kind of weird that cap and peggy's daughter might start dating? felt kind of wrong somehow..

I thought Sharon was Peggy's niece, as in the comics. And I'm totally okay with it. *shrug*

--Jonah

 

[dascoyne]

Oh, and does anyone else think it's kind of weird that cap and peggy's daughter might start dating? felt kind of wrong somehow..

Well he knew her as his neighbor and as Agent 13 before he knew this so I'm ok with it. If he knew this before he was attracted to her then it might different.

So you can count me in with those fellas in the VW giving cap a big thumbs up.

 

[perniciousp]

CA: Civil War was beautifully done. Favourite MCU movie by far!
Also: check out this thread for info on Parker's get up or any info you'd like to help out, feel free.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=260839

 

[KrangPrime]

I thought Sharon was Peggy's niece, as in the comics. And I'm totally okay with it. *shrug*

--Jonah

The movie threw so much at me so quickly, I thought it was her daughter. could be wrong though.


I find it kind of odd how Bvs and this paralleled each other a little. right down to the mom angle. only this one was handled better...it didn't feel as weird and was actually kind of really nasty to have bucky kill the starks.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

When we went to see it the first time, one leaned to another during the climactic fight and murmured, "Wait -- my mom's name was Maria, too". Found out later we were all thinking it.

--Jonah

 

[Paul Andrew]

A very similar joke happened between my wife and I at our screening.

 

[dascoyne]

The movie threw so much at me so quickly, I thought it was her daughter. could be wrong though.

Do the math. It don't compute.

 

[maffhewdc]

...and was actually kind of really nasty to have bucky kill the starks.

The HYDRA agent that ordered Bucky to retrieve the serum also told him to leave "No witnesses", didn't he? I don't quite remember

 

[KrangPrime]

The HYDRA agent that ordered Bucky to retrieve the serum also told him to leave "No witnesses", didn't he? I don't quite remember

yep, as I recall..

but, also wasn't all the serum that was left used to make Cap?

It's been a while since i've seen one... but I was under the impression that it was a limited order type thing.

 

[Banner]

Do the math. It don't compute.

Speaking of math, I think she'd be her great aunt... although you can still just call that relation just an "aunt". So it works.

 

[Seabass]

The super soldier formula is something different groups are always trying to replicate, to various degrees of success. they can never get it perfect though. I'd imagine Howard's 5 samples were his latest test batch.

IIRC, the shield is a one-off vibranium/adamantium alloy thats never been able to be reproduced as well