MonsieurTox
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Oops I didnt noticed the lights were on the dome and not on the dish, can see it better with the last pic you posted !
Building The Death Star - PRODUCTION
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Oops I didnt noticed the lights were on the dome and not on the dish, can see it better with the last pic you posted !
PHArchivist
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Agreed.
I have pretty good shots, but still... You cannot beat natural sunlight, and my shots are still through glass that may or may not have been perfectly clean.
PHArchivist
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Guys just clicking on the last page - back up a couple of pages.
Brad, Julien, and I have taken a good discussion a ways, so go back a page or two to catch up.
And so you can offer your input.
Brad, Julien, and I have taken a good discussion a ways, so go back a page or two to catch up.
And so you can offer your input.
PHArchivist
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Yet another example of my dilema, and the poor condition of the original model today.
The two best shots of the area I have next to work on, with an enhanced shot from a publication taken back in the 70's in between.
The two best shots of the area I have next to work on, with an enhanced shot from a publication taken back in the 70's in between.
Okay Rob. Here comes my "Real Rob back into reality post" 
I am not sure they really put lines on the right side.
Why would they? I really think they did the lines on set, or at least they new the shots they were going to need to do and where on the DS they needed to emphasize the detail.
Look at how detailed the pattern of the "speckled" areas are on the left compared to the right. Lorne Peterson/ MaQuarrie obviously new that the left side was going to be filmed at close up and therefore needed more detail. At some point during filming or editing ,Muren or Lucas wanted other shots and they realized the right side didn't have the detail, so they flipped the image in editing.
If you want a truly accurate replica, leave it be. But it is up to you.
Because you are making the HERO version of the DS, you are wanting to make it look better than the real prop. This is why you want there to be lines on the right side where there probably wasn't.
As for the lost detail on the left, it is obvious that the lines have faded or been wiped away over time and you just need to make the best possible mish-mash of guessing and eyeballing you can do. So far you are doing a great job at both!
I am not sure they really put lines on the right side.
Why would they? I really think they did the lines on set, or at least they new the shots they were going to need to do and where on the DS they needed to emphasize the detail.
Look at how detailed the pattern of the "speckled" areas are on the left compared to the right. Lorne Peterson/ MaQuarrie obviously new that the left side was going to be filmed at close up and therefore needed more detail. At some point during filming or editing ,Muren or Lucas wanted other shots and they realized the right side didn't have the detail, so they flipped the image in editing.
If you want a truly accurate replica, leave it be. But it is up to you.
Because you are making the HERO version of the DS, you are wanting to make it look better than the real prop. This is why you want there to be lines on the right side where there probably wasn't.
As for the lost detail on the left, it is obvious that the lines have faded or been wiped away over time and you just need to make the best possible mish-mash of guessing and eyeballing you can do. So far you are doing a great job at both!
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PHArchivist
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Agreed that the vote is still out. I do have stronger evidence and traces of lines on the left.
To your point, Brad, the right doesn't even have the trace elements that the left does.
To your point, Brad, the right doesn't even have the trace elements that the left does.
PHArchivist
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REQUEST:
If any one has Star Wars: From Concept To Collectible, (the gold and black paperback). I need a hi-res (300dpi minimum) scan of the full Death Star shot in the book.
PHarchivist@aol.com
My scanner won't initiliaze... :unsure
If any one has Star Wars: From Concept To Collectible, (the gold and black paperback). I need a hi-res (300dpi minimum) scan of the full Death Star shot in the book.
PHarchivist@aol.com
My scanner won't initiliaze... :unsure
PHArchivist
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Edward that's perfect! Exactly what I needed. I've got my copy out on the desk under a magniying glass!
THANKS!!
PHArchivist
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Okay...
What today looks like this:
Proabaly looked more like this 33 years ago.
What today looks like this:
Proabaly looked more like this 33 years ago.
Looking at those 2 pics of the original DS, the thing that stands out to me is that there seems to be a discrephancy between where the Wilson hair starts above the dish. There looks like a lot more space between the Wilson hair and the dish on the old pic. On the more recent pic, it doesn't just look faded, but seems to extend much closer to the dish as well.
robn1
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This shot suggests the right side was equally well lined.
I have enough information on the left side to conclude that it was just about all as lined as the lower dome.
EDIT: AH ****! I fell into my own trap - this IS the left side; reversed image!
I'm almost certain this is the CG model from the Special Edition. No telling how accurate it is.
PHArchivist
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Remember though...
You're looking at two different dishes.
We do not know if Moe's dish is precisely the same size as the original was, and I can assure you that the replica dish does not sit perfectly true on the opening in the upper dome.
PHArchivist said:
Well, that's part of the point. If the observation is correct, then either the replacement dish is too big and overlapping the original hole, or maybe the paint was "touched up" where it had been damaged when the original dish was lost.
Either way, between this and all the fading over the decades, it is clear that better reference of the original state is needed.
Nah. I believe the only CG Death Star (the whole thing, not talking surface) in the SE is two or so shots of the X-Wings approaching--just before and during the S-Foils deploying.
PHArchivist
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I think the former is true. Moe's dish - which I repeat, is a fine piece of work - was made in Europe without the luxury of working directly with the opening.
I don't have any reason to think there was any touch-up paint work done to the model. The multilple scars, the lack of mention from anyone close to the model, and other physical evidence all point to the fact that the only modification the original paint job received has been - sadly - damage.
Regrettably, unless some previoulsy unseen photos appear, I don't think such exists... :unsure
PHArchivist
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Thanks Christian! If the beer is good enough, and in sufficient quantities, wel - then the beer!
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