Bob the Alien (Giger inspired Alien)

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  1. Leigh

    Leigh Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Hi folks, I thought I'd share my project with you guy's. I'll admit from the off that I'm after some advise here & there & I'd like to know what people think so here goes....

    Firstly he's called Bob as my missus doesn't share my enthusiasm for this sort of thing & it add's a little lighthartedness when talking to her about him :)

    I'm having a go at making an Alien creature (head & neck) loosly resembling the creature from the first Alien film, its something I've wanted to do for years. Now I've never really sculpted anything before & I've never used silicon moulding material before so I'm a bit of a novice in this field but I've commited myself to finnishing this to a standard I'm happy with.

    I'm not trying to make an exacting copy of one of the original prop head's, I'm making it how I think it should look so it may not be to everybody's taste but hopefully you'll like it.

    It's at a fairly early stage at the moment & I'm learning as I go. I've read a few posts on here in search of info & found that this community seems to be just what I'm looking for.

    I'm using pic's I've found on the net & I have the book Giger's Alien for reference material as far as trying to capture the features of the Alien so heres some pic's....

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    I started off with blowing up a good profile image of the original & using it as a rough template. I then made a hardboard armature, then pinned insulation foam to the armature & then carved the foam into the shape above. From there I started adding detail with the pipework & I'm using Newplast clay for the rest.
    The Newplast happened to be available at my local artshop & it turns out its free from sulphur so I should'nt have any funny reactions from the silicon (hopefully).
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    The shape of the mouth has changed a little bit as its progressed & yes there are two too many teeth in the bottom jaw, thats deliberate as I've made the front teeth slightly smaller & closer together, I've also added more detail to the sides of the jaw as I've gone along.
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    With regards to the top of the head I wanted it to look right as a complete thing so I've started by roughing out the outer shell & when thats shaped up I'll start work on the bit underneath. At the moment I've just got the bottom jaw to a standard I'm happy with so I'm ready to take a mould from it so it can be reproduced in resin, I can then handle it without leaving marks in it & I can start to scuplt the underside of the head & neck to it.
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    I've bought a kilo of Repsil E30 with a thickener to use on the jaw to mould it & I'm intending to brush it on all over & then use a cut line & a resin shell & separate it into two peices.

    The last pic show's the jaw textured, I lightly brushed white spirit over the surface & then textured it with a brush & a sponge.

    So what do you think?? How am I doing :confused??

    Thanks Leigh
     

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  2. StevenRogers84

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    I think you are doing...............a great job! That is looking spectacular!
     
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  3. Bubbaman

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    It's a fantastic project that you just start !!!
    I hope to see more soon, it looks very nice for now !!!
     
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  4. Leigh

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    Many thanks for the kind words chaps :)

    I forgot to mention, the lips & tendons will be added later, I'll sculpt them onto it after I've moulded & cast the head & jaw & then cast them in a rubber of some sort, thats the plan anyway.
    I'm just not sure wether to make the mouth poseable as yet but I'm intending to leave myself the option.
     
  5. Kerr Avon

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    Wow! Coming along nicely!!!
     
  6. thegreatgalling

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    Can you talk about how you carved the foam? This is turning out fantastic!
     
  7. Leigh

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    Thanks again.

    The foam.... theres not much too it really, I'd say its the easiest bit.
    Its meant for loft insulation, comes in sheets 50mm (2") thick with foil either side. Its not ideal really, blue foam (styro foam) is better.
    The foam I used is very fragile, dusty but cheap. It cuts very easily with a kitchen knife & you can sand it very easily. Once I'm happy with the shape I used PVA to seal it which works well & makes it alot tougher however once its PVA'd its not so easy to sand & makes a bit of a mess if you try.
    Sealing it also allows things like car body filler & clay to stick to it.

    Shaping it is very quick, I cut the parts out of the sheet oversized slightly, peel the foil off & then I just cut a little off at a time untill I was nearly where I wanted it to be & then sanded it smooth. I didn't try to do the whole thing in one peice...I made up the lower part of the head in 4 sections, after I'd shaped them I glued two sections together to make 1 for either side. I used PVA to glue them together (not ideal but sort of works) & I used 12" kebab sticks to pin the parts to the armature & to reinforce the glued parts.

    Thats about it really with the foam, Hope that helps.

    Edit, Heres a pic showing it with the top of the head off:
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    you can see the foam sections one either side & there temporarily help in place with the kebab sticks. The upper jaw required something a little more substantial than just the foam when I started adding weight to the lower jaw so I made that part from stainless steel sheet.
     
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  8. Leigh

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    OK my silicon (repsil E30) will be here in a couple of day's & I'm hoping to get right on moulding the jaw.

    I cant afford to * this up so I need to get it right first time.

    Can any of you moulding guru's offer any tips or constructive critisism with with regards to the moulding process & materials I'm intending to ues??

    Heres some more pic's of the jaw :
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    I'm intending to brush the silicon on all over & then use a cut line from the chin, down both sides, arround the tube mountings at the rear & across the throat with the intention of pouring a solid cast from the areas that are currently in yellow.

    Can anybody see any problems I may not have considered here?

    Thanks :confused

    Edit: Should I have started this in General Modeling or is it OK here?
     
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  9. crypto

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    WOW...This is looking awesome.

    What have you used for the teeth, it doesn't look like you sculpted those (unless you did them before the rest of the sculpt ).

    Again looking awesome. :)
     
  10. Leigh

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    Thanks, Yeh I made the teeth out of car body filler & then painted them with white enamal gloss paint, using enamal seemed kind of fitting.

    Heres an early pic of the teeth:
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    Leigh
     
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  11. madmax

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    Nice work are you planning on selling any?if so please make them cheapish for us uk guys,if you make any that are'nt 100% let me know i love a fixer upper.
    Keep up the good work and welcome to THE RPF
     
  12. Leigh

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    WOW :$ Thats the ultimate complement to me :) Many Thanks,
    I'll bear it in mind for when its all finnished but for now I still have alot of work to do.

    I was thinking Maybe I should add shoulders & a small part of the back & chest ommiting the tops of the arms making it a proper bust?? in a similar fashion to the Sideshow warrior but without the pose....Any thoughts??
     
  13. Leigh

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    Anybody?? :confused
     
  14. knightdriver2001

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    First let me say that BOB is looking completely awesome. (y)thumbsup(y)thumbsup:thumbsup

    As for the shoulders and upper arms/back piece. I say do them. It's
    always great to see the top part of these bad boys.

    You could always make the shoulder/back piece as a seperate section
    to where you could place the head and neck in place should you want
    to display it with or without them. Just a thought on that.

    I definitely can't wait to see more.

    Gooooooooooooooooo Bob! :)
     
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  15. dropshipbob

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    That's looking great!

    As for molding, I think most people when they are ready to mold, they cover the piece with some sort of acrylic sealer first? That may fill in the fine detail, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  16. Azurial

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    this is sweet! I always look at the Alien creatures and cant help but notice how similar in diesign they are to the innards of the Android they hack up in the first one. I wonder how much of the creature was based on some sort of vision of what future tech might look like...

    That said, if you get the gumption to, why not take another whack at one with some really cool looking metal plates and cables all over for an experimental look - that would be sweet!

    what kind of foam are you using and how are you cutting it (exacto knife, hotcutter, ect.)

    as far as sealing for the mold you can use pretty much anything. a friend of mine used shilack on a helmet before casting and gave it a quick spray of Pam to keep it from sticking.
     
  17. Leigh

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    Cheers guy's some great replies there, I must admit it didn't occur to me to use a sealer :confused Something to look into.

    knightdriver2001's comment has motivated me this afternoon......
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    & heres the foam & the tool that does most of the work:
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    I still have alot of shaping On the upper body & I need to add more foam, its in its rough cut state at the moment but its what I had in mind.
    He's going to be leaning forward slightly rather than just posed in an upright stand.
     
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  18. knightdriver2001

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    Sweet! Man, you work fast too!

    I too would go for the leaning forward stance.

    When an aliens stands upight (as many of the first movie stills show)
    it looks to much likie a guy in a suit. When they are arched forward
    and posed, they look much more menicing.......

    I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for sure........
     
  19. Finhead

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    Wow that is looking fantastic, I love it. :cool
    Good choice on leaning him forward a bit, it'll give him some life so to speak. :thumbsup
     
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  20. Leigh

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    Leaning forward a bit more....
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    But it looks kind of awkward at the moment :confused I think I'll have to employ the missus to pose for me. I'll do that tonight then glue it together so I can start sanding it tomorrow.
     
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  21. knightdriver2001

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    I don't think it will look awkward once the head is in place. As long
    as the back of the head is, it should balance the whole look out perfectly.
     
  22. magneto1138

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    Looking great, but I have to be honest, when I read the title of the thread, the first thing that came to mind was Bob from Monsters vs. Aliens :D
     
  23. Leigh

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    It does look better with the head on:
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    All Glued now, I'll see how it is in the morning, gotta find those muscles in the foam & then on to some detail :)
     
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  24. Chewcy

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    Looking good,awesome sculpting, this will look great as a bust!
     
  25. Leigh

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    I did wonder if I'd made a mistake with the title Maybe I should have replaced "creature" with "Giger Alien" :unsure
     
  26. crypto

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    Ohh yeah....love the addition of the shoulders. Gives it a more finished look than just a head by it self.

    Are you going to have any of the big back spines on it ? Two would look cool.

    Awesome work bro.
     
  27. Leigh

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    Thanks for the great feedback :) as far as the back detail I'll get the top spiney thingy (the one in the middle top) on & hopefully the two either side top ones.

    Once I've got the body to a human shape I can start fitting those spiney things & he's shoulder pads etc.

    Done a bit more shaping up this morning but I'm back to wet glue again, the PVA only drys where the air can get to it so I have to do a bit then wait before I can do a bit more, Its comming along though slowly.
     
  28. Leigh

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    He now looks as if he was acting as a shield for Indy at the begining of Raiders....Didn't get much done yesterday but heres the latest:
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    The glue's dry enough to carry on now & a little more shaping up is needed before I start adding Alien features.

    This turned up this morning:
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    Silicone, Catalyst, Thickener, Spatular & a set of instructions. It'll be interesting to see how this jaw moulding comes out, the clay I've used is "Newplast" there should'nt be any reactions as its sulphur free but we'll see.
     
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  29. crypto

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    Not knowing to much about the whole art of sculpting, I have to ask. What are the sticks for ?

    Holding it all together or there to add stuff to ?
     
  30. ecl

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    Bob's looking good!
     
  31. Leigh

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    The sticks are for pinning the foam together while the glue dries, They also make for good reinforsement in structurally weak areas.
    They're "Barbecue Bamboo Skewers" bought from Wilkinsons for 50p, they're 10" long a little over an 1/8" in diameter & pointed on one end in packs of 100. I break them to length as I need them & re sharpen, I also shaped a couple of them for using as sculpting tools for the clay as I dont have any proper clay sculpting tools.

    Edit: I also dont know alot about sculpting, I'm learning as I go, This is my first sculpting & moulding effort but I am determined to do a good job of this.
     
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  32. Leigh

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    Had a play with one of the pic's I'd taken, I'm not very good with paint programs but I was looking to get an idea what he'd look like with he's lips, tendons & he's top cowling brought down to cover the convoluted pipe that runs arround the head. I'm really looking forward to reaching this stage :)
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    Its rough but It gives an idea to what I'm aiming for
     
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  33. knightdriver2001

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    Just plain awesome. What more can I say. :thumbsup
     
  34. Leigh

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    Thanks man :):D
     
  35. n0regret5

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    insulation foam...genius!! this is killer mate, looking forward to seeing how this turns out.
     
  36. crypto

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    Thanks for the answer Leigh, I thought they might have been helping to hold things in place but had to ask the question.

    Mate for someone who doesn't know alot about sculpting you are making it look easy.
     
  37. XtcofPain

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    Awesome , cant wait to see this done as ive never seen an alien created this way. Great work
     
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  38. Leigh

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    Many thanks for the great comments guy's :)

    Cheer's, I figured it was probably not the most conventional way to do this but there is a method to my madness.

    Firstly the cost, the materials I've used have been very cheap & I've been able to buy them in small quantities a bit at a time which helps to spread the cost.

    Secondly my inexperience, I've not done this before & I wanted to pre-visualise it, I wanted to make sure the parts fitted together properly & it also means that I can perfect the shape (to my taste) while its easy to change it. Once I'm happy with everything I can seal it & add a layer of clay & the pipework for the final detail.

    Another bonus is that its light weight, I was concerned that if I'd made it out of a solid lump of clay it might have distorted under its own weight :confused. Its also easy to move about as I'm making this on the dinning room table :D
     
  39. knightdriver2001

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    I would have never guessed that you have never done this before.

    The sculpt so far is outstanding. Looking forward to the next update! :thumbsup
     
  40. knightdriver2001

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    Bump for Bob! :)
     
  41. Clutch

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    Looks amazing! Some of those pics remind me of one of those anatomy models where you can take the internal organs out! :lol
     
  42. Leigh

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    Cheers guys :), I've been busy the last few days attempting to mould he's jaw.

    I made a major * up, I didnt think to use a release agent on the silicone mating surfaces so it stuck together :cry

    I managed to salvage the mould but the original jaw didnt fair so well:
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    The mould & the sum of it parts:
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    I decided to test the mould with very watery plaster of paris & cast this:
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    After all the trouble I'm quite pleased with how its come out, very little flashing & I'll need to do a little bit of cleaning up on the teeth but otherwise I cant complain.
    I've learned alot through these little mistakes, hopefully next time I'll know what I'm doing :confused:)
     
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  43. Leigh

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    Just another pic with he's new (temporary) plaster jaw fitted:
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    I must admit I'm pleased with how he looks :)

    I'll probably be slowing down a bit from now on as funds are getting thin so I'll update as & when.

    Thanks for the interest so far folks :)
     
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  44. ob1al

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    This is a good project! I hope you manage to bring it to completion.
     
  45. sskunky

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    Don't know how I missed this! It looks fantastic.

    You say you've not sculpted before? Looks like you've been doing it for years !!

    I wish I'd seen this earlier as I could have diverted you away from the silcone moulding problem. Still the cast doesn't look too bad. A bit of clean up and some proper sealer and release agent you could re mould the jaw from the plaster one.
    If you need any advice in the future or what materials to buy here in the UK then just ask. A friend of mine owns a prop making company and knows just about anything I've ever asked. He even tells me the best/cheapest companies to use without compromising on quality.

    Keep up the good work. :thumbsup

    Mark.
     
  46. Canobi

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    This is just amazing for a first sculpt. Are you going to add the Aliens extendable inner mouth part? My brother is a massive Aliens fan and is going to go nuts for this. If you do make some kits I would love one.
     
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    Hi sskunky.

    Any chance you could PM me the name of your friends company? I could use a little help in that area too.
     
  48. popsprops

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    great work..! cant wait to see more
     
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    looking really good so far
     
  50. Leigh

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    Wow!! Thanks for the great comments guy's :thumbsup :)
    I'll definately be in touch SSkunky, thats a very generouse offer :) you do realise though I'll be mailing you alot :)

    I should have a couple more updated pic's to post up soon hopefully, I ordered the big convoluted pipe that runs down the side of he's head (££££££ :eek) yesterday so it should be here in a day or two & wont take too long to fit. I've added a few other bits of tubing, I've reposisioned he's top fangs & added two more. I've also been adding the small convoluted pipe that sits just under the edge of he's couling & trying to make the foam couling fit nicely over it.

    I'll be focusing my attention on getting the head to a moulding stage before I do any more to the neck & shoulders & I plan to make a full length tounge for him.

    There is a little reference material I need: the pipes (1 either side ) that come from the rear of he's bottom jaw??
    On one version they appear to come from the short fat pipe on the side of the middle of he's head, The version I want to do is where they seem to dissapear behind he's neck?? the problem is I cant find a good rear view of the back of he's neck where these pipes terminate, does anybody have a pic or a scale model they could take a pic of that I can use for reference??

    Thanks :)
     

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