BEWARE: Mike S. MR PREDICTA. REPLICA ROCKETEER BUCKLES!

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Is that how you explain something without actaully explaining anything.....? :confused I mean I am just a noobie here and I don't want to be rude, but you didn't actaully explain why its taking so long, you just assued everyone there was no conspiracy and handed around a good pat on the back. I am sure its deeply appretiated but that dosent really seem like the thing people want to hear, they just want a simple explination for why theres been barely any moderater involvement.

 

[defstartrooper]

I have no wish to slag the staff off but it does seem that every decision made by staff here is painfully slow and overly complicated.
This seems pretty straight forward the whole transaction is documented very clearly.
Mr Predicta sold replicas and deliberately mislead the customers into thinking it was an original.
Even when asked directly if it was a replica he witheld the truth.

Does it really need weeks of discussion ?

Why is it anything only ever seems to get done after many many complaints and months upon months of time ?

 

[Utinni]

Please don't turn this thread into a Mod bashing thread. Let's keep it on topic. Mike's (Mr. Predicta) actions are the issue here, not the Mods. Of all people here, I'm the one most eager to finally get this settled and hear the Mods ruling. The Mod's are saying they are talking and asked us to wait a little longer. Please stop the bashing. I ask that you all respect this request.

- Jeff

 

[nailuj]

Please don't turn this thread into a Mod bashing thread. Let's keep it on topic. Mike's (Mr. Predicta) actions are the issue here, not the Mods. Of all people here, I'm the one most eager to finally get this settled and hear the Mods ruling. The Mod's are saying they are talking and asked us to wait a little longer. Please stop the bashing. I ask that you all respect this request.

- Jeff

Jeff

I have been watching and reading this from the start with great interest and chipped in a couple of times.

I just thought it was worth asking you what your ideal outcome would be?

Julian

 

[Utinni]

Ideally, I'm looking for:

- Mike to come back and try and work this out and come clean to lying to me. His lack of voice in this is really damaging to his side of the situation. This thread has been here for weeks, and he's only posted once. Doesn't look like he wants to fix this, or even cares.

- Due to his total lack of communication or even any attempts to apologize or at least acknowledge his deception, I'm now pushing for a FULL banning on the RPF, not just Junkyard privileges like I requested before.

- The $250 partial refund we agreed upon. (which is coming from Clint and not from Mike, even though I sent Mike the money originally)


Jeff

 

[LZeitgeist]

Ideally, I'm looking for:

- Mike to come back and try and work this out and come clean to lying to me. His lack of voice in this is really damaging to his side of the situation. This thread has been here for weeks, and he's only posted once. Doesn't look like he wants to fix this, or even cares.

- Due to his total lack of communication or even any attempts to apologize or at least acknowledge his deception, I'm now pushing for a FULL banning on the RPF, not just Junkyard privileges like I requested before.

- The $250 partial refund we agreed upon. (which is coming from Clint and not from Mike, even though I sent Mike the money originally)


Jeff

In my opinion, you'll get the refund from Cliff, but you won't get anything but continued static from Mike. Don't hold your breath on Mike...

 

[Westies14]

Please don't consider this an attack on the mods or how long this is taking, but the simple fact that it is taking a while prompts a question for me... Is there another side to this that we're not hearing? If there is a compelling argument for the other side, should we not be filled in - as Mike at least is fairly well-indicted. I think the apparent lack of another side to this thing is part of why people are so confused about the time it's taking to reach a decision... Is there one that we don't know about?

 

[DrStranglove]

In my opinion, you'll get the refund from Cliff, but you won't get anything but continued static from Mike. Don't hold your breath on Mike...

Agreed.

 

[Utinni]

Update:

Clint Paypaled me $250 today.

That is a big step in the right direction in terms of Clint trying to make this right. But my view of Mike has not changed, rather it's gone in the opposite direction. STILL no word from him, he let Clint try and clean up the mess he started. Doesn't look like he's going to take any type of personal accountability on this.

I would like to officially ask the Mods to come to a conclusion on this by the end of this week. I am requesting a full banning of Mike S. (Mr. Predicta) on the counts of lying and refusal to acknowledge those lies after being caught, misrepresentation of a replica of a prop that is extremely rare, and refusal to communicate with me or answer any of the questions that have been brought up. His previous reputation and connections in the hobby only make the matter worse, he's not a newbie trying to score big by selling recasts and not aware of the hobby rules, he knows better than that. He fully knew he was selling a replica, and played on the idea of it being real. And took advantage of me and others by doing so. His continued silence and excuses does indeed speak volumes, as others have mentioned. He has not come back here or contacted me to discuss it or try and make good, he obviously doesn't care.

Again, I'd like the Mods to come to a conclusion on this by the end of the week.

- Jeff

 

[mverta]

My God. I just read the entirety of this colossal expenditure of energy. Returning to the root - the exhaustively detailed original set of communications - I lasered in on this tidbit from Clint, not long into the process:

"I personally would feel better if we just refunded you your money and you sent back the buckle..."

Why on Earth didn't you take him up on this? At this point you were more than reasonably assured your buckle was a replica, and not worth $650. You had the chance at least to duck out gracefully having paid virtually no price - save a little disappointment and a little lost time.

This would not have been mutually exclusive with your subsequent righteous crusade against your opponents, and I believe the fact that you failed to take advantage of this is significant in its own right.



It's a rhetorical question. The answer, as I read it, is thus:

This whole thing is a personal vendetta and call for retribution, masquerading as a community service. The "outing" of dishonest people is a sympathetic cause; one which would've been greatly undermined had you taken the deal and had less stake in the matter/been less of a victim. But the sheer amount of energy spent in your postings, warning us, "Beware!" in capital letters, and statements like, "I don't tolerate [being lied to]..." betray that this is about personal revenge, not about helping the community.

Had your noble goal been simply to inform us about dishonest practices, well you'd done that with the detailed accounting of what happened to you. But by this point, you yourself have given up the mantle that it's about helping the community. You're calling for a ban, and you want it now. In fact, you've virtually issued an ultimatum to the mods to resolve it by "the end of the week," with an unspecified, but clearly implied, "or else," we simply haven't heard yet.

The caveat emptor was a good thing; the personal vendetta thing is not. In the end, it looks like a lot of foot stamping and pouting, artificially inflated in importance because the whole thing is extremely personal to you. Had you taken the refund, counted your good fortune, and then posted the experience as a simple heads-up... now that everyone could get behind. Co-opting the community into your personal lynch mob... not so much.








_Mike

 

[Utinni]

Why on Earth didn't you take him up on this?

Like I said before, this didn't originally start about money. This started because Mike lied about it not being a replica, when he knew full well it was.

EDIT: Added more:

I started questioning Mike about the origin of the buckle LONG before any question of money was brought up. When I found out it was a replica I asked him, he said he didn't know and tried to give me a full refund, how does that fix the problem of him lying to me and to others. He would probably still be lying now about it. The issue with the money only came up when I saw he was selling the buckles AS REPLICAS (after all this came out and he knew he was caught)for $250 less then when he sold it to me as a non replica for more.

- Jeff

 

[Utinni]

My God. I just read the entirety of this colossal expenditure of energy. Returning to the root - the exhaustively detailed original set of communications - I lasered in on this tidbit from Clint, not long into the process:

"I personally would feel better if we just refunded you your money and you sent back the buckle..."

Why on Earth didn't you take him up on this? At this point you were more than reasonably assured your buckle was a replica, and not worth $650. You had the chance at least to duck out gracefully having paid virtually no price - save a little disappointment and a little lost time.

This would not have been mutually exclusive with your subsequent righteous crusade against your opponents, and I believe the fact that you failed to take advantage of this is significant in its own right.



It's a rhetorical question. The answer, as I read it, is thus:

This whole thing is a personal vendetta and call for retribution, masquerading as a community service. The "outing" of dishonest people is a sympathetic cause; one which would've been greatly undermined had you taken the deal and had less stake in the matter/been less of a victim. But the sheer amount of energy spent in your postings, warning us, "Beware!" in capital letters, and statements like, "I don't tolerate [being lied to]..." betray that this is about personal revenge, not about helping the community.

Had your noble goal been to inform us simply about dishonest practices, well you'd done that with the simple accounting of what happened to you. But by this point, you yourself have given up the mantle that it's about helping the community. You're calling for a ban, and you want it now. You've virtually issued an ultimatum to the mods to resolve it by "the end of the week," with an unspecified, but clearly implied "or else" we simply haven't heard yet.

The caveat emptor was a good thing; the personal vendetta thing is not. In the end, it looks like a lot of foot stamping and pouting, artificially inflated in importance because the whole thing is extremely personal to you. Had you taken the refund, counted your good fortune, and then posted the experience as a simple heads-up, now that everyone could get behind. Co-opting the community into your personal lynch mob... not so much.


_Mike

How is it a personal vendetta when some one lied to me and others by trying to pass off a replica as the real deal and refuse to acknowledge that? How does offering a refund fix the matter of clear deception? That sounds like hush money to me. What would you do if some one in THIS community did this to you and stopped talking to you privately? Wouldn't you seek help and try and warn others from it happening to you?

I'm not on any high horse here, so get off yours!

- Jeff

 

[Funky]

Again, I'd like the Mods to come to a conclusion on this by the end of the week.

- Jeff

Or else what?

 

[Utinni]

Quote:Funky Jedi

Originally Posted by Utinni
Again, I'd like the Mods to come to a conclusion on this by the end of the week.

- Jeff

Or else what?

Why are you guys so opposed to Mike being held accountable for his actions? He lied and got caught. Why are you trying to make me look like the bad guy, when I was the one taken, not Mike. He chose to mislead me and others, I caught him and when he refused to answer any questions and stopped talking to me privately, I came here to let people know what was going on, so others wouldn't be taken by him either.

I'm NOT trying to be some hero, some one that swoops in to save the day, I'm not looking for any fanfare from you or anyone here. There is no personal vendetta, I'm not out to tear down his reputation, Mike did that on his own. Mike is a member of this community and broke one of the main rules in our hobby and this board, trying to pass a replica off as a real one.

Neither of you have any real argument here and choose to go around the board and crap on people's threads with your negative, uncalled for and condescending posts. You obviously have some type of agenda by posting here, I thought you were "finished" with this thread from the very beginning.

And I never told the Mods YOU BETTER DECIDE OR ELSE!!! Far from that, sheesh! This thread has drug on and on without any Mod action. All I asked was to please come to a conclusion. No threats.

Please take your negativity some where else...

- Jeff

 

[mverta]

Your posturing as community hero is disingenuous, as you've demonstrated time and again, especially in calling for a ban. If what you wanted to do was alert the community, you did that with your initial post. All the evidence was there for people to read and draw their own conclusions.

It is you who've dragged this out, because you won't be satisfied until you get retribution for the ways you feel you've been wronged. You were offered a full refund and rejected it, because it wasn't enough payback for the person who "won't tolerate..." Vigilantes are boring. And your cause isn't noble. Fortunately, your agenda aside, the information IS there, and we're all perfectly capable of deciding what to do with it on our own. But your insistence that the community come down on Mike so you can be satisfied overlooks the very real truth that we can all decide for ourselves - thanks to your helpful documenting - how to punish or reward Mike and co. for their actions. Your work here is finished, my friend.


_Mike

 

[Walter]

Jeff,

The staff is looking into the issue, but I do want to make something clear: we dont work on your timetable.

If any action is taken it will be done having collected all information from all parties.

I appreciate the amount of information you and others have provided, however I now challenge you on the need of having this thread continue? Are you going to continue to just restate your case? Is anything new coming out of this? Don't you think that the community has now been made aware of the issue?

Just a few thoughts because I would hate for you and others to frustrate each other to the point that this issue just ulcerates instead of coming to some conclusion.

-Bryan

 

[Utinni]

The staff is looking into the issue, but I do want to make something clear: we dont work on your timetable.

I'm well aware of that, it has now been over a month since this first started, and I've seen the Mods act faster on other situations. I'm not trying to drag this out. I simply asked to have the Mods try and come to some conclusion, all I've heard from you are "we're talking about it". I've made my case and stand by it, unless you are talking with Mike privately on the matter, he has not attempted to refute what I've said.

I will leave it up to you to decide on what to do. I've seen people banned for less. I don't think it's an unreasonable request. I can't demand you to do it and I'm not. But this is a serious offense and some action should be taken.

I'm not going to start arguing with the trouble makers of the board that are looking to stir the pot and change the subject, please move on.

I will wait to hear from the Mods.

- Jeff

 

[Onigiri]

I disagree wholeheartedly with your sentiments Mike and I think its equally disingenuous for you to come in to a this thread acting morally superior.
The difference between you and Jeff is Jeff has a RIGHT To be pissed off and youre just here to here throw stones. Im very disappointed.
He isnt asking for the COMMUNITY to do ANYTHING rather he is asking the people in CHARGE of the community to take action in accordance with the CoC. There are OTHER threads around here (the JB thread for instance) being run by someone who isnt even OWED anything by the offending party and yet I dont see you over there talking down to them.
Your post makes it sound like YOURE the one with a personal bone to pick and other then that not much to contribute to this thread. You come off as defending the offender because the victim in this case wasnt content to just take hush money and keep quiet.
I think its a shame that you would chastise somebody for asking that the rules that are in place here (for a purpose) are be acted upon and chastise the victim instead of the offender. BTW a lot your argument is based on ASSUMPTION as to Jeff's character and thats a pretty weak platform to come in slinging what you just did. Jeff is making sure this doesnt fall off the page and, as is clear from the responses here, most of us appreciate it. I understand his frustration and not only did he endure it but took the time to clearly document it. That, along with the time is taking, would most certainly make ME want to keep it in the limelight. I dont think your post won you any points.

Your posturing as community hero is disingenuous, as you've demonstrated time and again, especially in calling for a ban. If what you wanted to do was alert the community, you did that with your initial post. All the evidence was there for people to read and draw their own conclusions.

It is you who've dragged this out, because you won't be satisfied until you get retribution for the ways you feel you've been wronged. You were offered a full refund and rejected it, because it wasn't enough payback for the person who "won't tolerate..." Vigilantes are boring. And your cause isn't noble. Fortunately, your agenda aside, the information IS there, and we're all perfectly capable of deciding what to do with it on our own. But your insistence that the community come down on Mike so you can be satisfied overlooks the very real truth that we can all decide for ourselves - thanks to your helpful documenting - how to punish or reward Mike and co. for their actions. Your work here is finished, my friend.


_Mike

 

[mverta]

Oni, honestly, the day you're not looking for a fight to get in on is the day I sprout wings out my ass.


_Mike

 

[Onigiri]

Something new did come from this being front and center and that was a refund which may or may not have been forthcoming had this thread fallen off the board. I would also state , barring a flame war, that Jeff has the right to keep this thread front and center until such time as there is action taken one way or the other. The frustration is that there has been AMPLE evidence presented from one side while the other side seems to be hoping that this thread will die and all will be forgotten which is the PRECISE reason that this thread needs to be active or at the very least 'stuck' and closed until there is a resolution.
Somebody got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and theyd like to see this disappear and be forgotten.
If only they had been 'sockpuppets' it would have been so much easier

Jeff,

The staff is looking into the issue, but I do want to make something clear: we dont work on your timetable.

If any action is taken it will be done having collected all information from all parties.

I appreciate the amount of information you and others have provided, however I now challenge you on the need of having this thread continue? Are you going to continue to just restate your case? Is anything new coming out of this? Don't you think that the community has now been made aware of the issue?

Just a few thoughts because I would hate for you and others to frustrate each other to the point that this issue just ulcerates instead of coming to some conclusion.

-Bryan