BEWARE: Mike S. MR PREDICTA. REPLICA ROCKETEER BUCKLES!
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Utinni
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Ok, I talked to Clint tonight for an hour and a half. We really only touched on the subject a little bit, most was just about rocketeer prop stuff. He offered the $250 refund, and said I should be getting it in the next couple days.
Most of my problem is with Mike and how he dealt with the initial communications. From what I got from the conversation, Clint is more of a background person when it comes to actual sales of the items and is busy running a prototyping business and props are a total side hobby. Mike was going to be the go-thru person to purchase the replica buckles from. I didn't really get a good chance to talk to Clint about what Mike said, it seems like Clint was left in the dark about most of it and I can now understand why he would be defending Mike like he did. I don't think Mike has been 100% truthful with Clint.
If anything I'm still upset with Mike, he's still yet to actually apologize and acknowledge that he did lie and seems like he tried to deceive me. Clint and I are going to talk more on Sunday. Hopefully we can discuss it in more depth and come to an agreement.
Mike on the other hand, I'm not happy with. I think his actions should be held accountable here on the board and in the thoughts of future potential customers. His reputation has been damaged by his own actions and it will take some time to recover from that. His lack of apology or post other than his one here that is full of nothing but excuses and misdirection has not helped his case in any way. I don't think he thinks he's done anything wrong or is too stubborn to say yes he lied and what he did was wrong.
I still push for a Banning of Mike (Mr. Predicta), his actions were no different than that of recasters that have been caught and outed. The only difference is, he's a well known player in the hobby, but that only makes the crime all the worse! He should have known better, and be held accountable.
In the least, if the Mods don't agree that a full board banning is called for, I request a banning of the Junkyard and any interest threads that he may post. He can remain an active member and hopefully with time can rebuild his reputation again. His history on the board and in the hobby shows that he can be a wealth in information and is a person that can help the hobby flourish, but it will take time for him to prove himself again.
For me personally, to finally put this to bed, I'd like a public apology from Mike and for him to come clean and agree that he misrepresented the buckle to me and lied about knowing they were made. Clint has already offered the $250 refund, which I should be getting in the next couple of days. But again, like I mentioned, this wasn't really about money in the first place.
I really want to see Mike come back and post, his continued silence and lack of action to make right is not helping him at all. Maybe one of you guys that knows him can ask him to come back and do an honest reply to me and the community. Even after I get the refund from Clint, I will still hold Mike accountable for his own actions. And will continue to speak out about this situation until Mike attempts to make good on this.
I will post more on Sunday after I talk to Clint more.
I have sent 2 PM's to the Mod I was originally talking with and haven't had any type of response. I would also like to see some type of Mod/Admin stance on this situation.
- Jeff
Most of my problem is with Mike and how he dealt with the initial communications. From what I got from the conversation, Clint is more of a background person when it comes to actual sales of the items and is busy running a prototyping business and props are a total side hobby. Mike was going to be the go-thru person to purchase the replica buckles from. I didn't really get a good chance to talk to Clint about what Mike said, it seems like Clint was left in the dark about most of it and I can now understand why he would be defending Mike like he did. I don't think Mike has been 100% truthful with Clint.
If anything I'm still upset with Mike, he's still yet to actually apologize and acknowledge that he did lie and seems like he tried to deceive me. Clint and I are going to talk more on Sunday. Hopefully we can discuss it in more depth and come to an agreement.
Mike on the other hand, I'm not happy with. I think his actions should be held accountable here on the board and in the thoughts of future potential customers. His reputation has been damaged by his own actions and it will take some time to recover from that. His lack of apology or post other than his one here that is full of nothing but excuses and misdirection has not helped his case in any way. I don't think he thinks he's done anything wrong or is too stubborn to say yes he lied and what he did was wrong.
I still push for a Banning of Mike (Mr. Predicta), his actions were no different than that of recasters that have been caught and outed. The only difference is, he's a well known player in the hobby, but that only makes the crime all the worse! He should have known better, and be held accountable.
In the least, if the Mods don't agree that a full board banning is called for, I request a banning of the Junkyard and any interest threads that he may post. He can remain an active member and hopefully with time can rebuild his reputation again. His history on the board and in the hobby shows that he can be a wealth in information and is a person that can help the hobby flourish, but it will take time for him to prove himself again.
For me personally, to finally put this to bed, I'd like a public apology from Mike and for him to come clean and agree that he misrepresented the buckle to me and lied about knowing they were made. Clint has already offered the $250 refund, which I should be getting in the next couple of days. But again, like I mentioned, this wasn't really about money in the first place.
I really want to see Mike come back and post, his continued silence and lack of action to make right is not helping him at all. Maybe one of you guys that knows him can ask him to come back and do an honest reply to me and the community. Even after I get the refund from Clint, I will still hold Mike accountable for his own actions. And will continue to speak out about this situation until Mike attempts to make good on this.
I will post more on Sunday after I talk to Clint more.
I have sent 2 PM's to the Mod I was originally talking with and haven't had any type of response. I would also like to see some type of Mod/Admin stance on this situation.
- Jeff
LZeitgeist
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Utinni
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Was not what?
Not aware of what Mike was telling me? Was not kept in the dark, so he knew everything? I don't know what you're trying to say.
-Jeff
LZeitgeist
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I spoke with Clint on the phone for probably a half hour or more last week - from everything I've known of Clint, I never thought that he was a directly-active participant in what Mike was trying to do. I don't know Mike, but I'd trust Clint with any item in my collection, no problem at all. He's always been a good guy, and I wanted to hear what was going on for myself. He wouldn't come out and say it to me, but I think Mike duped him, too with how he handled things.
Clint is NOT the bad guy here, and never was. It goes to show what sort of stand-up guy he really is, covering your refund out of his own pocket, even though it was Mike who screwed things up.
I'll repeat - Clint is NOT the bad guy here.
LZeitgeist
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Bumped the Enter key while typing my reply. Sorry for the confusion.
Utinni
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ah ok thanks, I was like hmmmm kind of a vague post :lol
Yeah, I've been dealing with Clint for the past 2 years and when talking with him last night and while this has been going on, it seems like Mike is the one that should be in the spot light so to say.
I don't think Clint is the bad guy here either. He just got caught up in Mike's lies. On Sunday I'm gonna go over with him on the email and PM transcripts with him, I don't think he knows all of what Mike told me.
From what I understood, John B. had the connections to have them made, Clint funded the project and gave a buckle to John B. as a thank you, and John turned around and sold it as a real one to Michael (Evil Rocketeer) along with an upper buckle for $900. Clint didn't know he sold it, until I told him about it. Mike (Mr. Predicta) was going to be the sales contact and it was originally supposed to be a dutch auction of 10-12 buckles and stated that they were replicas. For doing that Mike would receive a commission from each sale and a free buckle. I don't know where the $650 ended up, I paypaled Mike. Not sure why Clint is the one doing the partial refund. Unless Mike had forwarded the money to Clint as soon as he got. But I guess that's between them.
Once I talk to Clint on Sunday hopefully things will get figured out. I haven't attempted to contact Mike, not sure what good it will do me. He refuses to even come back and really reply to any of this or even attempt to make it right.
- Jeff
Yeah, I've been dealing with Clint for the past 2 years and when talking with him last night and while this has been going on, it seems like Mike is the one that should be in the spot light so to say.
I don't think Clint is the bad guy here either. He just got caught up in Mike's lies. On Sunday I'm gonna go over with him on the email and PM transcripts with him, I don't think he knows all of what Mike told me.
From what I understood, John B. had the connections to have them made, Clint funded the project and gave a buckle to John B. as a thank you, and John turned around and sold it as a real one to Michael (Evil Rocketeer) along with an upper buckle for $900. Clint didn't know he sold it, until I told him about it. Mike (Mr. Predicta) was going to be the sales contact and it was originally supposed to be a dutch auction of 10-12 buckles and stated that they were replicas. For doing that Mike would receive a commission from each sale and a free buckle. I don't know where the $650 ended up, I paypaled Mike. Not sure why Clint is the one doing the partial refund. Unless Mike had forwarded the money to Clint as soon as he got. But I guess that's between them.
Once I talk to Clint on Sunday hopefully things will get figured out. I haven't attempted to contact Mike, not sure what good it will do me. He refuses to even come back and really reply to any of this or even attempt to make it right.
- Jeff
defstartrooper
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Maybe i'm cynical but is anyone really likely to make 150 replica buckles and only sell 10 or so and not even specify a price or follow the sales at all ?
I just don't buy that.
What was he planning to do with the other spare 100 or so buckles laying around that he has thousands of dollars invested in ? the sale of those few certainly isn't going to cover his costs.
Couple that with Clints so called apology in this thread and prior to that his gagging of Mike it doesn't scream unwitting victim to me.
I just don't buy that.
What was he planning to do with the other spare 100 or so buckles laying around that he has thousands of dollars invested in ? the sale of those few certainly isn't going to cover his costs.
Couple that with Clints so called apology in this thread and prior to that his gagging of Mike it doesn't scream unwitting victim to me.
Remo
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I could be wrong, but I thought it was mentioned that (some of) the other buckles were going to be used in the making of the harness'. I have a RocketBob's pack, and he said a long time ago that a harness was in the process of being planned/created.
The Rocketeer collectors are a smaller group and having something like this occur involving some of the main people is disheartening. I've only met Clint once at a prop party at Acme and he seemed like a great guy. Utinni, I hope things finally work out for you and I am glad you brought this out.
The Rocketeer collectors are a smaller group and having something like this occur involving some of the main people is disheartening. I've only met Clint once at a prop party at Acme and he seemed like a great guy. Utinni, I hope things finally work out for you and I am glad you brought this out.
Utinni
Sr Member
I talked to Clint the other night about the harnesses they're working on. If I understood Clint right, the harnesses are going to be more for display purposes rather than wearing at Cons or events. They really need to be custom made for each wearer, the way it's made there isn't any type of adjustments. The buckles are riveted to the straps. Also the big problem I found when making mine was to get the lower wide waist strap to be able to go between the Jacket Bib buttons, otherwise you won't be able to button up at least 2 of the buttons.. I know of at least 4 or 5 versions of the jackets out there and I'm not sure if all of the buttons are in the same place.
- Jeff
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LZeitgeist
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Because he has a quantity of the real, metal upper harness buckles, and he's setting aside the same number of new, replica lower buckles to make harnesses from using both.
That was a larger focus than replicating them for direct sale - selling some for direct sale to recoup some of the costs just makes sense since the harnesses aren't going to be ready to go out the door anytime soon at all.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Fair enough he has/had plans for the remaining buckles, but honestly would you send someone several thousand dollars worth of stock not mention a market price and not follow the sales at all ?
It's not like these things were sold on the quiet they were listed on eBay, and why sell through a third party anyway and seemingly ask that person not to reveal where they came from ?
We aren't exactly talking large volumes of sales here 10 buckles i don't care how busy you are that shouldn't be a logistical headache.
Why keep it so hush hush that you have reproduced these buckles ?
Smells fishy to me.
LZeitgeist
Sr Member
Whatever.
Utinni
Sr Member
Bump for Mods.
I'm kinda sad to see the Mod's lack of action on this, both publicly and privately. I've tried talking to them in PM's but not getting any type of response.
After talking with Clint, it seems Mike acted on his own with his dealings with me. And since Clint is not a board member, it's all on Mike's shoulders concerning this on this board. Mike has not contacted me or posted since his 1 and only post in the thread, which was full of excuses and misdirection. I've yet to get an apology from him, or for him to even agree that he lied to me and mislead me.
I'd like to see some action taken please. I'm not going to just drop this and let it get swept under the carpet.
- Jeff
I'm kinda sad to see the Mod's lack of action on this, both publicly and privately. I've tried talking to them in PM's but not getting any type of response.
After talking with Clint, it seems Mike acted on his own with his dealings with me. And since Clint is not a board member, it's all on Mike's shoulders concerning this on this board. Mike has not contacted me or posted since his 1 and only post in the thread, which was full of excuses and misdirection. I've yet to get an apology from him, or for him to even agree that he lied to me and mislead me.
I'd like to see some action taken please. I'm not going to just drop this and let it get swept under the carpet.
- Jeff
Carson Dyle
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Maybe they're in on the scam.
Wow.
Way to disrespect.
Maybe the mods have been a little busy living their lives. I mean, I know they get paid way too much to babysit this board, but seriously? :thumbsdown
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