Hahahahaha!
Poor DC. Avengers destroys NY, we love them. Nobody will call out Iron Man on fighting Hulk and ruining the city in Avengers 2. But Supes destroys Metropolis, we loathe him. Daredevil goes dark as hell, we praise their new grit. Superman goes dark as hell, we act like we're watching an "I love the 90s" special mocking goths (and wait, don't we all love the Crow?) Starlord kills the crap out of people, we cheer. Supes or Batman maybe kill someone? Our fingers start wagging and we break out the lecture on "heroes don't kill." I admit, DC has made some missteps (Green effing Lantern comes, sadly, to mind) but jeez.
You want a heroic Superman that hearkens back to the glory days of Reeve? Superman Returns is your movie. Oh wait, EVERYONE HATED THAT.
Sigh.
Well said. DC are really in a tight spot such is the plethora of super hero films at the moment. There's very little they can do except to try and grow their own distinctive "brand" by going "darker" at the moment. Lets be honest, "Batman and Superman become Best Mates over Lunch " isn't really an interesting story ,whilst by copying elements of the Millar story this could be quite good. Yes, I agree the overly "dark" nature of the trailer and the way its been put together is a bit disappointing but if they had copied the Marvel vibe they'd have been hacked down for that as well. The complexities of being a real Super Powered Super Hero living in the really modern world can be explored in many ways, Marvel have gone one way about it and DC are trying to find theirs. I didn't hate the last one,I thought it was a great new take on Superman and I think this one will be equally as good if not better. I guess if they had showed more of the action scenes ,rather than try and set up the tone of the movie people would have been better pleased, but give them a chance!
I guess my view is that there's a range of options between "That's right, Jimmy! And don't forget to eat your brussel sprouts!" style Superman and going all TDK on the material. I hope this film can and does explore those points in between. Maybe it just hasn't been shown yet, but it is in there. But from this trailer, it looks like they're just going dark and conflicted.
You're missing the point.
With the exception of Batman, DC heroes are GODS. They're infallible.
My earliest recollection of Superman was an old black-and-white serial I saw at my local theater when I was 3.
Clark Kent swerved off the road and crashed his car into a tree to avoid hitting a skunk that was crossing the road.
And in the George Reeve series (which I also grew up on) - Superman knew he was indestructible. Nobody could hurt him.
Empty your gun at him - you're not gonna hurt him. He knew that, and used it to his advantage.
He'd just let you shoot all your bullets, then he'd wrap a steel I-beam around you and wait for the cops to show up.
The Superman I grew up with wouldn't level an entire city block to kill (KILL!) one badguy.
He would have manipulated the fight into an unpopulated area, then wrapped the guy in a steel I-beam and waited for the cops to show up.
You want dark heroes?
That's why there's Batman.
Superman is supposed to represent what's RIGHT. Not what's GREY.
That's why my generation has a problem with Zach Snyder's Superman.
Superman doesn't make mistakes. Superman ALWAYS does what's right.
That's the whole point of Superman.
It makes me kinda sad that there's a whole generation of kids who won't accept good for the sake of good -
They have to have a psychologically troubled hero.
Like I said, that's why there's a Batman.
Let Batman be Batman, and let Superman be Superman.
If Superman isn't "dark" enough for you, then read Batman.
I don't know what else to say about this. You kids obviously just don't get it.
I don't think Superman needs to be infallible to be relevant and resonant. But I do think that what was missing from MoS was the sense of doing what is
right being what drives Superman.
To me, that's the core difference between Superman and Batman, and what makes them equally interesting, yet very different characters.
Batman does what he believes is
necessary.
Superman does what he believes is
right.
I think it would be pretty cool if to have a mash-up of different elements of different stories. I've gotten away from the fan-boy purist mentality that they need to stick religiously to one comic story. In my opinion TDKR + Injustice works a lot better than
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This is the false choice that I think people see -- a choice between two extremes, rather than an attempt to find middle ground. You can do both. DC comics -- in their actual comics -- do both not infrequently, and it's great.
If you make a period piece that is based in the "world" of the Superman you grew up with then fine. The world we (and Superman) live in now is a lot more complex and is definitely NOT black and white, good and bad. We don't live in a world that has clearly defined/identifiable enemies any more than we have leaders who have the best interest of the country in mind as opposed to their own personal gain. How can a hero that represents what's right exist in a world that changes its own views of what is right on a regular basis. When we're fighting an enemy that a decade before was our ally against another enemy that later ends up being our ally. If you were Superman, who's side do you take if you're truly virtuous and ethical? Every culture has a different perception of what's right. Just because Superman grew up in the USA, does that mean he's bound to our views of what's right?
Well, that's just it. There's an element of moral absolutism to Superman which, to be honest, I think is worthwhile. Not EVERYTHING is morally grey, even though we can dream up scenarios that challenge that statement. But ultimately, I think the most interesting story this film could tell with respect to its title characters is the value that both Batman's and Superman's viewpoints have in the modern world.
The thing is -- FROM THIS TRAILER -- I don't get the sense that the Superman side of the argument is being made by the film. I get the sense that Superman is just treated more as an object about which people react, and that's it. I don't see Superman believing in humanity being capable of true greatness, or standing as a paragon of virtue or anything along those lines. In short, I see no sense of hope, kindness, or goodness in the trailer coming from Superman.
I'm not saying we need him flying around Metropolis and saving cats from trees, either. Rather, I'm saying that we need a Superman who stands as a symbol of doing something because it is the right thing to do. That can happen at many different scales and in many different ways, but the film so far doesn't seem particularly interested in that.
