Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build NEW VIDEO JACKET pg 27!!!

Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Gary, really not happy with that? They look sensational. I though part of the reason guys like Jedifyfe went with the draw liner was to get the 'beading' more rounded than the pyramatic look that I will end up with from the rubber I want to use (I'll simply paint mine red).
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

That's is looking fantastic. Keep it up. Hey, I've been staring at pics of the sleeves for days now and I'm not convinced that the flat bits (not the bellows) are rubber at all. I think there something else entirely. The texture on them is identical to some Faux leather I have seen. Notice how the bellows have discoloured and the sleeves have not. I reakon, they created the bellows colour to match the main sleeve colour. I think they sprayed the leather. That's why there matt grey. Thoughts anyone? The material moves just like faux leather also.

I'll post pic later when I get in to show what I'm on about.
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

I reakon, they created the bellows colour to match the main sleeve colour. I think they sprayed the leather. That's why there matt grey. Thoughts anyone? The material moves just like faux leather also.
I think you might be right. Isn't this jacket supposed to be a futuristic "varsity" jacket? And don't varsity jackets have leather sleeves that contrast the main body or vest of the jacket?
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

That would sound perfectly reasonable to me. Certainly worth looking into.

That's is looking fantastic. Keep it up. Hey, I've been staring at pics of the sleeves for days now and I'm not convinced that the flat bits (not the bellows) are rubber at all. I think there something else entirely. The texture on them is identical to some Faux leather I have seen. Notice how the bellows have discoloured and the sleeves have not. I reakon, they created the bellows colour to match the main sleeve colour. I think they sprayed the leather. That's why there matt grey. Thoughts anyone? The material moves just like faux leather also.

I'll post pic later when I get in to show what I'm on about.
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

That's the plan. I just wanted to see if this test would work. I'll get something together in the next day or two to show what I did last night.

-Gary
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Gary...

I was looking at the Reoflex on Smooth On's website, and is the Trial size enough to do this or would someone need more for one jacket?
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Gregg, I don't know off hand since I haven't done a jacket. The quantities I used to do a single panel are listed below. I think you would need to do at least two or three panels for a single jacket, so multiply accordingly.

MATERIALS

Products from Smooth-On – Smooth-On, Inc. - Mold Making & Casting Materials Rubber, Plastic, Lifecasting, and More

Reoflex 60 - ReoFlex® Series Urethane Rubber Product Information | Smooth-On

Kick-It Accelerator - KICK-IT!® Cure Accelerator For Urethane Rubber from Smooth-On, Inc

So Strong Tints (Red, Yellow, White and Black) - SO-Strong® Color Tints for Urethane Rubber, Plastic and Foam

Other Materials

Thin Cotton Fabric – Black slightly oversize for whatever size piece you are wanting to do.

Light Diffuser Panel (2x4) from Home Depot

Plastic Squeegee (3) - Your choice of size. I used a 4" wide one I had laying around.

Drill with Paint Mixer Attachment (possibly two paint mixer attachments)

2 small buckets (each large enough for the rubber you are mixing)

INSTUCTIONS

The numbers mentioned below SHOULD give you enough material to do a single 2’ x 4’ diffuser panel. The quantities of rubber you use may vary depending on experience.

Red Base Coat

1st coat of red - Pour 275 grams of Part A (thoroughly mix part A before pouring out what you need). Add the color tints per the instructions from Smooth-On. I used a good serving of red, some yellow and just a little white for opacity. When I say a “little” I mean a VERY small amount – heck you really don’t use a lot of any of these colors. The colors are very concentrated.

Add the Kick-it to the Part A per the instructions and thoroughly mix.
Now add 275 grams of Part B and thoroughly mix with the drill and paint mixer attachment #1.

Once mixed, pour the red rubber onto your light diffuser panel and squeegee it out from the center. You are looking for a thin coat that fills the center of each “bubble” in the diffuser pane. You should see the peaks (or annoying sharp points) sticking through the coat of rubber. Once you have it all squeegees and level – take a break and go watch a movie (I might recommend BTTF II to keep you in the mood). This needs to sit for an hour or two. If you are not using the accelerator it will take a lot longer. You are looking for the material to be setting up, but still be tacky to the touch. If it’s good, then proceed to the black rubber and backing.

Black Rubber and Backing

Mix the black rubber just like you did the red. Chances are your paint mixer attachment and squeegee both have a mess of not fully cured red still on them – so use your second set for this pour. For my test I used a bit more of the black to make sure I had a good thick coat. Go with about 350 grams of A and B. Again, Part A, black tint, and accelerator. Then add 350 grams of Part B and thoroughly mix.

After mixing, pour the Black Rubber on the red and squeegee out to a uniform thickness. Unlike the red, you DO NOT want the peaks to really be visible. However you also do not want the coat to be really thick - your goal is to have enough material available to soak through the fabric and set it into place.

NOTE: Regarding your fabric – be sure to IRON the fabric BEFORE application. Any ridges or fold marks can affect the embedment process.

Once level add the fabric backing and using the THIRD clean squeegee work the fabric into the black until the rubber starts to seep through. If you are cleaning off the squeegee between steps you can stick with just the one. A squeegee with rubber still on it will initially stick to the fabric and cause all sorts of problems.

With your fabric wetted through you just need to let the material set overnight to cure. Once cured, the finished sheet should peel off the diffuser panel.

Repeat for the other panels.

Some final tips that I've been thinking about. It may be better to mix up a large enough batch of rubber to do multiple panels. That way your color tints will be the same for all three panels. If you do this, you might want to use a little less accelerant to give you working time for the multiple panels. However, after doing my one panel I think you would still have enough time before it started to set up and become "difficult" to work with.

Also, if you know how large your panels need to be, you can easily mark them on the BACK of the diffuser panels in sharpie marker and only pour/squeegee within those areas. You would need less material that way.
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Thanks gary is there any way we can use a latex spray gun wouldn't that be easier?
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

I think you would just need to test it to find out. I'm not even sure what the original jackets were made from. I really wonder if it's latex because I doubt latex would be in such good condition after so many years. I just used the reoflex because I had it sitting around for other BTTF DeLorean parts.

Believe me, this was super easy to do on my end. The instructions sound intensive, but I just wanted to make sure I didn't leave anything out.

-Gary
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Has anyone got any info on the inner lining?
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Looks like a heavily wrinkled tye dyed or rainbow fabric and then they just sprayed it with black paint.

Gary
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Wait, why do you need a cloth backing? And when exactly do you use it?
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Cloth back to give strength to rubber structure. :)
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

Exactly, without the cloth backing the chances of the material tearing along the low points in extremely high. The cloth gives it strength, similar to how fiberglass resin needs to have the cloth so it's stronger.

I now think I've worked out how they did this stuff. I read in the other jacket thread where someone mentioned the original material was actually a solid color with a color infilled in the lower cracks. I decided what the hell and gave my test piece a coat of black paint and then wiped off the sheet with a cloth soaked in acetone. The result was far closer to what I see the original material as being originally. I still don't think I have the correct light diffuser though. I don't think the diamonds were as stretched as mine are on the original jackets.

View attachment 115017

A test with Gray primer and black versus the unaltered material in the center.

View attachment 115018

Better shot of the black infilling between the bumps, much closer to the original material.

View attachment 115019

Two things I've noticed. I should have probably used flat black instead of semi-gloss. Also, I could probably go with a solid red pour in two layers instead of red and black like my original test.

All I know is that my girls a freaking out over this material. I've given the test to my oldest and I have a feeling she's going to try and intergrate it into her sewing projects. That will certainly be something to see :)

-Gary
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

So do you lay a piece of cloth over the light panel and pour the rubber over that? You did not make this clear at all.
 
Re: Back to the Future II 2015 Jacket Build

That looks really good. :thumbsup
I also think that the original jacket is not made from latex. It would have been more fragile than it looks in all the pictures. Must be some sort of rubber that dries out and stiffens instead.
 
Back
Top