Contec
Master Member
It was their day off....
Avengers... Where was War Machine?
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It was their day off....
dbalschi
Sr Member
They were busy making crappy movies for Fox and Sony.
Well if you wanna seriously examine it with the logic within the movie Marvel universe, War Machine is strictly military aligned. SHIELD and the Avengers are top secret government black ops type shenanigans, so I'd think that it's above his pay-grade, as well as the fact that Lt. Rhodes is very much a Military man, so he wouldn't WANT to be part of something like the Avengers anyway. The whole reason he kept the suit in the first place was so that the U.S. military could keep up with the rising threat of other nations and parties using the Stark tech to work against the nation. The portal opening up wouldn't immediately be regarded as a threat, so the government wouldn't immediately be like "OMG SEND EVERYONE!!!" and then from the time the alien army came through, to the end of the battle was the span of... what? an hour? Less? Assuming Rhodes wasn't already on-assignment with the War Machine armor, it's doubtful he could have gotten there in time to help, and furthermore, maybe SHIELD and the WSC kept the rest of the military outside Manhattan in case A. The Aliens got off the island, or B. They went for the Nuclear option (which they did, and were prolly planning to do anyway because they had no faith in the Avengers to begin with). They wouldn't send soldiers into an area about to be glassed by a nuke. The National Guard was there because Manhattan has a National Guard regiment very close-by, so they were the first ones on the scene.
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As for other superheroes, well... This isn't really touched-upon by the Avengers series, so it could be that there ARE no other super heroes within this universe that were around to help. Whether the Avengers-verse stands on it's own, or the other heroes' stories are just off-screen. Presumably, Spiderman exists in their universe, since they have that in-canon spiderman cartoon on tv featuring Nick Fury and Coulson, but what the hell would Spiderman do to help The Avengers? He had no knowledge of what was happening with Loki, the Tesseract, and the aliens, making it above his super hero pay-grade so to speak. He would have no way of knowing what was causing it, all he would know is "Oh! A monster on a flying jet-ski! I should fight it and protect everyone in sight of me!". So maybe he was off-screen part of the story. In the end, its an Avengers movie, they were the center of it, so there was no need to cut away to Spiderman, even if Marvel studios COULD legally do that. As for the Fantastic Four, there's been many MANY times when they are "away on business" in other countries, other planets, even other dimensions, so its likely that they weren't home, or the FF simply don't exist as a super-team yet. As for the X-Men, they're a secret, they're fugitives, and they live in Upstate New York. Getting word of what was happening, getting the team assembled, suiting up, flying to Manhattan and getting INTO the city to help fight mysterious creatures they know nothing about, when they clearly see super-humans tangling with them already wouldn't be a good move. They would wait to see what happened, and if the Avengers DIDN'T stop them, of course they'd step up to help.
IMIM2
Sr Member
so WM was off to other part of the world looking for WMD along with the military.
However, I still don't buy if the arc reactor will last longer than Mk3/Mk4 since when it got stolen, Tony still at Mk4 technology.
Okay, it had separate power source, okay if the arc reactor was embeded in the suit, but how to explain "running out of juice".
Dr. Banner also no information on tesseract/Loki/alien, but still invited in Avenger, so Spidey excuse that he got no involvement with tesseract is questionable. Tony initially was brought up to speed with the tesseract thing with an "incentive" from Pepper..
Feel a bit sad, that Spidey is more like office boy rank, whilest the Avengers are more in high corporate level.
But Spidey can still be a bug, small, annoying and will distract attention.
Why other superheroes didn't join? I always like that a superhero should be a loner with hidden identity. If superheroes are united, then perhaps they will have to face united villains too. The Avengers only face one enemy, Loki. To me, it is quite unfair battle, many against one. That's why I like a loner type of superhero, because we only see one-on-one battle.
However, I still don't buy if the arc reactor will last longer than Mk3/Mk4 since when it got stolen, Tony still at Mk4 technology.
Okay, it had separate power source, okay if the arc reactor was embeded in the suit, but how to explain "running out of juice".
Dr. Banner also no information on tesseract/Loki/alien, but still invited in Avenger, so Spidey excuse that he got no involvement with tesseract is questionable. Tony initially was brought up to speed with the tesseract thing with an "incentive" from Pepper..
Feel a bit sad, that Spidey is more like office boy rank, whilest the Avengers are more in high corporate level.
But Spidey can still be a bug, small, annoying and will distract attention.
Why other superheroes didn't join? I always like that a superhero should be a loner with hidden identity. If superheroes are united, then perhaps they will have to face united villains too. The Avengers only face one enemy, Loki. To me, it is quite unfair battle, many against one. That's why I like a loner type of superhero, because we only see one-on-one battle.
reaper63
Sr Member
another way tp look at is this. This was a fullscale invasion. Who's to say other superheros didn't get involved, they just never got close to the Avengers. The X-Men could have been taking the army on closer to Harlem (where Hulk isn't invited to return lol) while the Fantastic 4 and Spidy could have been handling downtown. the battle just took so much out of everyone that they never hooked up for a major joint battle. Add in some of the heros might not want to become too public. Like the X-men and Spiderman.
sgtsparky22
Active Member
I just figured he was on his way but the invasion really didn't last that long. By the time he heard of the portal, put on the suit, and flew over it was all over.
But have no fear I bet Tony will give him hell for not being there during Ironman 3.
But have no fear I bet Tony will give him hell for not being there during Ironman 3.
da wesheb
Active Member
I can understand the absence of other Marvel heroes, seeing is how barely any have been properly established in this film universe but War Machine was in the final fight of IM2... which had Avengers info all over it...
Seems like a huge oversight, at least explain where he was in some way or form.
Seems like a huge oversight, at least explain where he was in some way or form.
He wasn't in the movie... because he wasn't in the movie. Why is that so hard to grasp?
da wesheb
Active Member
Would you feel the same if Alfred was missing from the Dark Knight? Just up and vanished while Batman was running around battling Joker and Two Face? No explanation of sorts.
There was a dynamic between Jane Foster, Coulson, and Thor... It made sense to throw that little bit in. Rhodes' dynamic is with Tony alone. It works in the standalone IM movies, but wasn't necessary for Avengers. Also, you can't compare Alfred to War Machine in this case. The Avengers is a separate entity from the IM movies, whereas the Batman movies are a trilogy
IMIM2
Sr Member
Perhaps like this:
WM is looking for WMD at the other side of the world, so it took longer time to arrive. The attack took only several hours so by the time he arrived, the battle is over. Other alternative explanation is that he was running out of paladium on the way (even tough Black Widow already indicated that the suit was built for individual use, the technology is still a mark 2 or 3).
Why Hulk came so soon? The other guy helped him, but banner had to took off his clothes first and the other guy carry it.
Coulson is not dead, Furry was just bluffing (ah Hollywood style)
Avengers took faster time to gather than fully organized X-men, or F4? That would be difficult to explain. But how about this, "do you expect to see them all at the rate of single admission? COME ON!!!" (best explanation of all).
Where is Jane? I did miss the part.
WM is looking for WMD at the other side of the world, so it took longer time to arrive. The attack took only several hours so by the time he arrived, the battle is over. Other alternative explanation is that he was running out of paladium on the way (even tough Black Widow already indicated that the suit was built for individual use, the technology is still a mark 2 or 3).
Why Hulk came so soon? The other guy helped him, but banner had to took off his clothes first and the other guy carry it.
Coulson is not dead, Furry was just bluffing (ah Hollywood style)
Avengers took faster time to gather than fully organized X-men, or F4? That would be difficult to explain. But how about this, "do you expect to see them all at the rate of single admission? COME ON!!!" (best explanation of all).
Where is Jane? I did miss the part.
da wesheb
Active Member
They showed a picture of her and said she was in protective custody.
I'm not saying they needed to have War Machine in the film, I'm asking why they didn't mention him. Maybe Tony could've told them to grab Rhodes cause he himself wasn't qualified per their report, then Fury responds, "He's not an option Stark, you are." At least make reference to his existence!!
I'm not saying they needed to have War Machine in the film, I'm asking why they didn't mention him. Maybe Tony could've told them to grab Rhodes cause he himself wasn't qualified per their report, then Fury responds, "He's not an option Stark, you are." At least make reference to his existence!!
nitrox
Sr Member
Nick Fury: So listen up Rhodie, you didn't make the cut as the tech ain't yours.
Rhodes: What?
Nick Fury: What country are you from?
Rhodes: What? What? Wh - ?
Nick Fury: "What" ain't no country I've ever heard of. They speak English in What?
Rhodes: What?
Nick Fury: English, ************, do you speak it?
Rhodes: Yes! Yes!
Nick Fury: Then you know what I'm sayin'!
Rhodes: Yes!
That's how it happened.
Rhodes: What?
Nick Fury: What country are you from?
Rhodes: What? What? Wh - ?
Nick Fury: "What" ain't no country I've ever heard of. They speak English in What?
Rhodes: What?
Nick Fury: English, ************, do you speak it?
Rhodes: Yes! Yes!
Nick Fury: Then you know what I'm sayin'!
Rhodes: Yes!
That's how it happened.
Scareb
Sr Member
War Machine and Iron Man are completely separate. It's not like War Machine and Iron Man go off to battle enemies. War Machine is United States Military property. Just like any special ops troop or vehicle, he needs authorization and clearance to do anything. Stark can pretty much do whatever he wants as he controls Iron Man.
Also the way I see it, why would they want war machine anyways? I mean really his armaments are pretty standard to your basic firearms anyways with machine guns/shotguns/rockets etc. not counting his repulsors.
The tech in the iron man suit is leaps and bounds above what the military shoved into war machine. If you had to choose between an assault rifle and a bow and arrow, which would you choose?
Also the way I see it, why would they want war machine anyways? I mean really his armaments are pretty standard to your basic firearms anyways with machine guns/shotguns/rockets etc. not counting his repulsors.
The tech in the iron man suit is leaps and bounds above what the military shoved into war machine. If you had to choose between an assault rifle and a bow and arrow, which would you choose?
Contec
Master Member
That argument didn't help the Empire fight the ewok's :lol
sanityattack
Active Member
He was on the West coast.
mynameschris
Well-Known Member
If we assume that Spider-man exists in the same universe and being a possible for a future movie, his absence is due to Avengers coming out before the Spidey reboot.
Other reason is he just wasnt needed, more than enough heroes in that movie, as for War Machine same reason why Iron Man didnt turn up to deal with The Hulk or Thor...wasnt in the script
Other reason is he just wasnt needed, more than enough heroes in that movie, as for War Machine same reason why Iron Man didnt turn up to deal with The Hulk or Thor...wasnt in the script
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