ANOVOS issues (ANOVOS ONLY discussion)

[Nightwing Returns]

What labour went into the sculpts of Hot Toys that doesn't go into the sculpts of NECA figures? Tomato/tomato.

• The difference between artists hand painting them versus using brass masks. A 3D modeller might use the same amount of time; but the labour assembling and painting them is different. Maybe it's just me, but having family being in a 2nd world country literally starving to death because the entitled brat kept asking for cheaper prices from Asia makes it an extremely sensitive topic for me. It take 30 years of constant working just to afford visa application costs to a 1st world country.

Your last sentence contradicted itself. You tell me not to compare NECA to itself but to a $300 toy that uses humane labour (Hot Toys)? Dude, that's what I'm doing. I don't care what labour is used to make them (think Frank Reynolds in Always Sunny. That's my attitude. Add em to the soup.). Just make them right.

• Then I don't think you should expect your opinion to be taken seriously? If you can't think of the other end, then why should they think of yours?

What's unrealistic to me is the amount of people that spend hundreds of dollars for upgraded heads and capes and faces for these toys that are hundreds of dollars to begin with. That's the last thing on my mind when I spend that much on a figure. I'm not thinking about Johnny Garage Kit and his $200 Christian Bale headsculpt that's 10x better than the Hot Toys I already paid an arm and a leg for. If Johnny Garage Kit can do it better, Hot Toys and other big name companies that need upgrades are... Wait for it... Trash.

• You call $300 an arm and a leg? Wait till you hear about Asian labour practices... I call that half or 1/3 a weeks paycheck here, and only 1/4 the hours they do in asia.
• They're aftermarket support; they're not happy just like you, so they do something about it and charge prices for it accordingly to materials cost. Silicone-$70 roughly, Paints $30, Resin $50, and labour.

We're getting off topic here; but what I got from you is that you'd rather put people into poverty so you can a doll cheaper. Nice ethics. But this is a non-negotiable matter clearly.

Out of sight, out of mind. Not my country, not my problem. That's the thing, I like to stay inside my little bubble. I don't care about the workforce of another country just like I don't care about the politics of another state. I don't live there, so I don't care. That's my ethics.

But, again, I'm talking a toy company and a costume company with a bad rep with their collector's deluxe line stuff. Who gives a **** who clips the flashings and apply the paint aps? I want quality for the money I pay, not the money sweat shops disperse. I'm sorry they're in those situations, but I'm not the world police and I like Nike's.

 

[Gerard2567]

Out of sight, out of mind. Not my country, not my problem. That's the thing, I like to stay inside my little bubble. I don't care about the workforce of another country just like I don't care about the politics of another state. I don't live there, so I don't care. That's my ethics.

But, again, I'm talking a toy company and a costume company with a bad rep with their collector's deluxe line stuff. Who gives a **** who clips the flashings and apply the paint aps? I want quality for the money I pay, not the money sweat shops disperse. I'm sorry they're in those situations, but I'm not the world police and I like Nike's.

That's what I'm trying to say though; what you call quality is purely subjective to yourself.

I can justify it economically. You seem to ignore the money issue and seem to think it comes from trees.

It's like comparing a netflix film to a hollywood film. Think Ironfist vs Avengers. Both outcomes are fun, but the quality of it really shows.

Neca is cheap because they simply pay bad wages to workers in China, Hot toys actually pay decent wages; stop trying to bring them down for that. You're essentially saying "Hey do what Neca is doing!" - They're not going to do that. Ever.

But the fact that your brain skips over the whole manufacturing process to "I pay so much, I want so much" makes one assume just how ridiculously uninformed you are in this field and that your opinion should not be taken seriously.

As my lecturer in law once said "It's okay to have an opinion, negative, positive, for or against, as long as is an informed opinion"

If you don't understand what that means, essentially you're fine to have an opinion, whether the opinion is fundamentally justified depends on whether or not you're talking out of your ass or with facts brought into the matter. But then again; we all felt like we had a duty to human nature and weren't inconsiderate people.

But if there's one thing I agree on, it is that we're grown people (or maybe we're not, since toys.) arguing about toys.

Honestly i can totally justify $300 on a toy with various paint applications, cloth and artistry when I spent $1000 just for some bent pipes for my car.

 

[Uber Fett]

The new company seems to be pretty determined to make things right with anyone that had an open order with Anovos. You should reach out to them and see what they say.

I'm awaiting a response. I'll post it when I receive one. That should help everyone gauge where they are with these items.

Shawn

 

[Fett_Ish]

I’d be curious as I haven’t received any email and I have a 3 year old unfulfilled order…..

 

[Pepperbone]

I’d be curious as I haven’t received any email and I have a 3 year old unfulfilled order…..

FYI, mine was in the junk folder.

 

[r2019g]

How is that silly at all? NECA put out the press release. Did they hire new people or are they using who they already have? I don't think it's silly at all to assume when they both (NECA/Rubie's) have a track record of cutting corners.

If you follow the business entity research that I posted, you'd see that Rubie's started an entity in Texas, Rubies II, where the Anovos manufacturing facility was. They're starting production with what Anovos was producing from that facility. They aren't going to move current employees to Texas to start manufacturing, they're going to hire people locally. That would also mean that they have the Anovos scans and molds, and probably tooling, painting, equipment etc.

So yes, it is a little silly to make assumptions that they are going to produce low quality products.

 

[jkno]

I like people's enthusiasm about the "new" company. Hopefully they will live up to the expectations, but the history of these type of companies is not encouraging.

 

[Somerset]

So didn't Rubies go bankrupt last year and got bought out by NECA/ who ever owns NECA?

In that case you'd think that in order to 'bounce back' they'd probably be putting a lot of effort into a new venture like this to make sure that they deliver product and keep their customers satisfied. Hopefully that plays out in reality.

 

[Nightwing Returns]

$30 shipping for a little cotton hat? They're gonna get nowhere with that kind of attitude.

 

[r2019g]

Ok folks, hypothesis, hear me out.

Rubies II is the manufacturer, Denuo Novo is the retailer. EFX & Anovos have historically used the same chinese manufacturers. Could/should EFX start using Rubies II? These companies using the same manufacturer (Rubies II) would help scale this business model, making Rubies II more profitable. Not to mention this could improve speed to market and quality oversight for both Denuo and EFX since they wouldn't be waiting months for shipping containers.

$30 shipping for a little cotton hat? They're gonna get nowhere with that kind of attitude.

agreed, selling as an individual, shipping is high, but companies the size of NECA/Rubies should have lower contracted rates for the amount of stuff they ship.

 

[Quinn]

Have you ever been in a rubber suit?

Ah, we're talking The Naked Gun props, too?

 

[JOATRASH FX]

Here's something. I got word through (my admittedly very limited) back-channels that an announcement IS coming for other properties besides Star Wars. The info did not originate with any of Anovos' founders/owners, or however you want to refer to them. No idea where that supposed announcement will be coming from either, but the source has been pretty solid with past info, so we'll see.

I imagine both Trek and Marvel should be pretty good money-makers, still, when it comes to uniforms. The Trek costume group on Facebook is pretty active (lots of folks want Disco and Picard uniforms it seems).

Nightwing Returns
It would have been nice if HT had done the correct lycra-with-rubber-applliances suit for Batman, but overall their stuff is very nice. (Their GotG Yondu figure is damn near photo realistic.) And I think ol' Bats poses very nicely:

He has, however, lost his batarang after having been in several tussles with one of our (real, actual, living) cats! (She probably just wants to give Catwoman a hand...) Sorry for the soft-derail!

 

[Cryrid]

First Response:

Thank you for reaching out to us, and for including your old Anovos order number. That is correct, we are a different company but we are working diligently on Anovos' back-order list. Our priority at Denuo Novo is to get their old items into production as quickly as possible. Someone is going to get back to you with more detailed information about your specific order within 3 business days. In the meantime, can you confirm if your shipping address has changed since you placed that order?

Second Response:

We are actively working on the Kylo Ren costume but we do not have a timeline for manufacturing or delivery just yet. We will email you with updates as we proceed. Thanks.

I suppose an honest "we're not sure when" is better than hearing "it's on track for the the end of this quarter..." for 16 different quarters

 

[Synz314]

$30 shipping for a little cotton hat? They're gonna get nowhere with that kind of attitude.

Try the helmets. $100 for me. If they are shipping from their New York facility, it should definitely not cost $100 to ship to me. Add to the $50 for taxes.

While I would like to remain optimistic that Rubies/Neca can fulfill new orders, I would still rather wait until other retailers have the products in stock. I ain't paying $100 shipping ontop of risking not getting the product.

 

[zeroskillz]

2. This is a new company with new leadership and has already surpassed Anovos in terms of communication and earnestness to make things right...

Seriously? It's the same messaging, the same emails, same every thing with a new coat of lipstick. The ONLY difference in the messaging is that there are NO delivery dates. Which I suppose is an improvement over outright lies.

Do we know if Dana and Joe are completely out of the picture? Or is this just going to be shitshow pt 2?

 

[Sean Hebein]

Seriously? It's the same messaging, the same emails, same every thing with a new coat of lipstick. The ONLY difference in the messaging is that there are NO delivery dates. Which I suppose is an improvement over outright lies.

Do we know if Dana and Joe are completely out of the picture? Or is this just going to be shitshow pt 2?

Everything you just said is factually untrue. Have you seen the emails coming from their CS team? I have and it is a vast improvement.

 

[DancerRonin]

I had a complaint in with the attorney general about Anovos. They gave the canned response about being in constant contact with me. I pointed out to the AG’s office that was a lie. This is what I got back from Anovos. They aren’t even attempting to hide the lies anymore since they still haven’t contacted me in over a year.

 

[zeroskillz]

Everything you just said is factually untrue. Have you seen the emails coming from their CS team? I have and it is a vast improvement.

Maybe I'm wrong, but everything I've seen, and I've seen a ton of screenshots posted in various FB groups over the last few days, the messaging all sounds the same as all the stupid emails Anovos sent me. But hey, maybe it's different this time ‍

That said, I really do hope everyone gets the items they've been waiting on, and soon. I also hope someone gives Joe a mighty kick in the nuts. I'll check back in on this thread next year

 

[FastballSpecial]

Has anyone ordered something yet? Are they supposedly "in stock"?

 

[Krieger]

I had a complaint in with the attorney general about Anovos. They gave the canned response about being in constant contact with me. I pointed out to the AG’s office that was a lie. This is what I got back from Anovos. They aren’t even attempting to hide the lies anymore since they still haven’t contacted me in over a year.

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Nice use of the word “swill” - don’t see that used often nowadays