ANOVOS issues (ANOVOS ONLY discussion)

[Nightwing Returns]

I really don't understand this line of thinking. I have heard it multiple times from people.

NECA and Rubies have never been in the high end business. They have their respective audiences. I have several NECA action figures so I can speak to that at least. NECA has never played in the same space as Hot Toys or Side Show, at least to my knowledge. And that is fine, that's not their intended audience. There is a world of difference between producing higher end action figures ($20-$40) range and what Hot Toys produces. Just because they produce a certain product meant for a certain audience, doesn't mean that that is the end of their competency.

While I have never owned a Rubies costume, I can pretty much say the same thing about their stuff. It is meant for a very casual audience. Obviously anyone that is passionate about Stormtroopers is not going to be satisfied with a Rubies line TK costume. You and others seem to be making the connection that just because they are producing product for that audience means that they cannot make the jump into other lines.

I am excited for NECA and Rubies because they both have experience and resources in areas that ANOVOS was sorely lacking.

Let's let New-Novos produce some products and then judge those products on their merit. It is progress at the very least which is better than what we have gotten out of Anovos for at least the last 3-5 years.

Using Hot Toys as an example is not a good argument. Hot Toys are trash. Those 2 Keaton figures they made are dumpster fires of inaccuracies. And they don't hold poses other than standing there. I should know, I have both.

And NECA are known for taking a mold and reusing it to death. Their figures, as nice as they are, are cheap reused molds. 3 Super Shredders? Mutant frogs that are the same 4 figures repainted? All their turtles being the same figure with different heads? Every Alien and Predator using some form of the same parts over and over again. Dude, NECA is cheap. Pay attention to the things you buy and you'll see.

 

[Sean Hebein]

Using Hot Toys as an example is not a good argument. Hot Toys are trash. Those 2 Keaton figures they made are dumpster fires of inaccuracies. And they don't hold poses other than standing there. I should know, I have both.

And NECA are known for taking a mold and reusing it to death. Their figures, as nice as they are, are cheap reused molds. 3 Super Shredders? Mutant frogs that are the same 4 figures repainted? All their turtles being the same figure with different heads? Every Alien and Predator using some form of the same parts over and over again. Dude, NECA is cheap. Pay attention to the things you buy and you'll see.

I used Hot Toys as an example because they are market leaders in that space. You can insert whatever company name you’d like into that comparison.

Not sure why you are fired up about this. You haven’t even seen a product that they have produced.

 

[Pepperbone]

Using Hot Toys as an example is not a good argument. Hot Toys are trash.

That's a little harsh.

 

[Nightwing Returns]

I used Hot Toys as an example because they are market leaders in that space. You can insert whatever company name you’d like into that comparison.

Not sure why you are fired up about this. You haven’t even seen a product that they have produced.

Because I've seen what Rubie's has produced for 20+ years and have seen NECA's replicas.

They need to stay in their respective lanes. It's gonna just disappoint people.

They both are kings of cutting corners. You think it's not going to overlap into their newly named high end market? Please.

 

[Sean Hebein]

Because I've seen what Rubie's has produced for 20+ years and have seen NECA's replicas.

They need to stay in their respective lanes. It's gonna just disappoint people.

They both are kings of cutting corners. You think it's not going to overlap into their newly named high end market? Please.

I guess you can view this from 2 different lenses:

1. This sucks and will suck. It has sucked for years and anything anyone does will continue to suck. There can be no improvement.

or

2. This is a new company with new leadership and has already surpassed Anovos in terms of communication and earnestness to make things right. Let’s see what they come up with and judge them based on the merits of the products that they produce.

You can choose to be angry and bitter or you can chose to see how it plays. They might very well turn out to be crap. Or they might surprise everyone and be the Anovos that all of us wanted back then they first launched.

 

[Nightwing Returns]

I guess you can view this from 2 different lenses:

1. This sucks and will suck. It has sucked for years and anything anyone does will continue to suck. There can be no improvement.

or

2. This is a new company with new leadership and have already surpassed Anovos in terms of communication and earnestness to make things right. Let’s see what they come up with and judge them based on the merits of the products that they produce.

You can choose to be angry and bitter or you can chose to see how it plays. They might very well turn out to be crap. Or they might surprise everyone and be the Anovos that all of us wanted back then they first launched.

The latter is what I hope for. But we shall see.

2.5 words, tho: Chucky & Tiffany.

 

[Metaphysics]

I used Hot Toys as an example because they are market leaders in that space. You can insert whatever company name you’d like into that comparison.

Not sure why you are fired up about this. You haven’t even seen a product that they have produced.

Debbie Downer over here. So Hot Toys is TRASH!!! because two figures don't meet your expectations?

 

[Metaphysics]

Misquote. Was directed towards Nightwing Returns

 

[Krieger]

Perhaps there’s one quote that I hope summarizes a sentiment we can all agree with over the years, no matter what happens with the new venture.

(James Karen) "The minute I've laid eyes on you, I knew you were no good." (U.S. Attorney) "You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions…”

Kool Rider does not love Anakin Voss…

Make us whole Disney and the new venture, and I will be the first in line for merch and a cruise on the new starship.

 

[ggriffaw]

Companies can make products in different classes. Look at auto makers. Several have luxury lines and more affordable lines. In replica props, efx makes PCR helmets and high end replicas. Anovos had standard line and premier line versions of several items.

I am looking forward to seeing what Denuo Novo produces. Hopefully they have the resources and manufacturer connections to actually produce the items in a reasonable amount of time. Unless they add something that I can't resist, I plan on waiting until I receive several of my unfulfilled items before I order anything.

$100 for shipping in the US seems pretty high.

 

[Nightwing Returns]

Misquote. Was directed towards Nightwing Returns

My $20 NECA TMNT Movie Donatello is more accurate and posable than my $300 Batman dolls from this prestigious doll company. So, yes. I stand by my trash statement on Hot Toys. Especially when there are people that make a living selling mods to the dolls because they're not all that great.

 

[Jagjaguwar]

Seems awfully silly to assume that this new company is going to produce products of the same quality as NECA or Rubies, simply because they are a subsidiary.

 

[Gerard2567]

My $20 NECA TMNT Movie Donatello is more accurate and posable than my $300 Batman dolls from this prestigious doll company. So, yes. I stand by my trash statement on Hot Toys. Especially when there are people that make a living selling mods to the dolls because they're not all that great.

Wait... you're mad they're not as articulate as a plastic doll that isn't covered in clothing?

Have you ever been in a rubber suit?

 

[Nightwing Returns]

Seems awfully silly to assume that this new company is going to produce products of the same quality as NECA or Rubies, simply because they are a subsidiary.

Seems awfully silly to assume that this new company is going to produce products of the same quality as NECA or Rubies, simply because they are a subsidiary.

How is that silly at all? NECA put out the press release. Did they hire new people or are they using who they already have? I don't think it's silly at all to assume when they both (NECA/Rubie's) have a track record of cutting corners.

 

[Pepperbone]

One thing's for sure: this thread has been exciting in the past 24 hours!

 

[Nightwing Returns]

Wait... you're mad they're not as articulate as a plastic doll that isn't covered in clothing?

Have you ever been in a rubber suit?

I have. And it's a doll. You don't make an advertised posable doll with of a full rubber suit that's the same thickness as the one Keaton wore. It's a doll, you make compromises. They made compromises on accuracy of the suit and belt and likeness, so make the thing work for $300.

And to touch base on the Donatello for a moment. It's a good figure that looks pretty accurate. It's one of the best things NECA has done. But it's the same body as Leonardo, Michaelangelo, and Raphael. And we all know the suits were different and Mikey was shorter than the rest, but NECA cut corners... Like they always do. Am I the only sane one that sees the big picture here?

 

[Gerard2567]

I have. And it's a doll. You don't make an advertised posable doll with of a full rubber suit that's the same thickness as the one Keaton wore. It's a doll, you make compromises. They made compromises on accuracy of the suit and belt and likeness, so make the thing work for $300.

And to touch base on the Donatello for a moment. It's a good figure that looks pretty accurate. It's one of the best things NECA has done. But it's the same body as Leonardo, Michaelangelo, and Raphael. And we all know the suits were different and Mikey was shorter than the rest, but NECA cut corners... Like they always do. Am I the only sane one that sees the big picture here?

I think you need to take a couple of courses in economics, mold making, and probably toy making because what you're demanding for something as little as $300 is ridiculous and unrealistic for the various amounts of labour put into this 12" doll.

Also; you're comparing people in hot toys who are actually being paid fair wages compared the the chinese sweat shops that Neca uses. How about instead of comparing it to a $20 toy that uses inhumane labour, you compare neca to a $300 toy that uses humane labour?

 

[Jagjaguwar]

How is that silly at all? NECA put out the press release. Did they hire new people or are they using who they already have? I don't think it's silly at all to assume when they both (NECA/Rubie's) have a track record of cutting corners.

Because it’s an entirely new company, formed to create a completely different class of product? Including a number of products that will pick up where Anovos left off in production?

I don’t really know how to explain beyond that, since this seems pretty obvious, but if you’re expecting Newnovos to produce things that look like they came from a Halloween Express, I think you’re going to be very disappointed.

 

[Nightwing Returns]

I think you need to take a couple of courses in economics, mold making, and probably toy making because what you're demanding for something as little as $300 is ridiculous and unrealistic for the various amounts of labour put into this 12" doll.

Also; you're comparing people in hot toys who are actually being paid fair wages compared the the chinese sweat shops that Neca uses. How about instead of comparing it to a $20 toy that uses inhumane labour, you compare neca to a $300 toy that uses humane labour?

I bought a 1/4 Donatello by NECA for $120. It's taller and more accurate than these $300 dolls. What labour went into the sculpts of Hot Toys that doesn't go into the sculpts of NECA figures? Tomato/tomato.

Your last sentence contradicted itself. You tell me not to compare NECA to itself but to a $300 toy that uses humane labour (Hot Toys)? Dude, that's what I'm doing. I don't care what labour is used to make them (think Frank Reynolds in Always Sunny. That's my attitude. Add em to the soup.). Just make them right.

Also, at the price for Hot Toys, their Iron Man and Spider-Man figures seem to work. How is it unrealistic to want what can be done by themselves in other figures, or other companies can do with their products, for a fraction of the price? It's not unrealistic at all.

What's unrealistic to me is the amount of people that spend hundreds of dollars for upgraded heads and capes and faces for these toys that are hundreds of dollars to begin with. That's the last thing on my mind when I spend that much on a figure. I'm not thinking about Johnny Garage Kit and his $200 Christian Bale headsculpt that's 10x better than the Hot Toys I already paid an arm and a leg for. If Johnny Garage Kit can do it better, Hot Toys and other big name companies that need upgrades are... Wait for it... Trash.

We're talking toys here, not prop replicas. If toy a company, that is toys and toys only, cut corners every chance they get, you can bet their prop shop will, too.

I'm thinking Rubie's Deluxe Vader Helmet with a better paint job.

 

[Gerard2567]

I bought a 1/4 Donatello by NECA for $120. It's taller and more accurate than these $300 dolls. What labour went into the sculpts of Hot Toys that doesn't go into the sculpts of NECA figures? Tomato/tomato.

Your last sentence contradicted itself. You tell me not to compare NECA to itself but to a $300 toy that uses humane labour (Hot Toys)? Dude, that's what I'm doing. I don't care what labour is used to make them (think Frank Reynolds in Always Sunny. That's my attitude. Add em to the soup.). Just make them right.

Also, at the price for Hot Toys, their Iron Man and Spider-Man figures seem to work. How is it unrealistic to want what can be done by themselves in other figures, or other companies can do with their products, for a fraction of the price? It's not unrealistic at all.

What's unrealistic to me is the amount of people that spend hundreds of dollars for upgraded heads and capes and faces for these toys that are hundreds of dollars to begin with. That's the last thing on my mind when I spend that much on a figure. I'm not thinking about Johnny Garage Kit and his $200 Christian Bale headsculpt that's 10x better than the Hot Toys I already paid an arm and a leg for. If Johnny Garage Kit can do it better, Hot Toys and other big name companies that need upgrades are... Wait for it... Trash.

We're talking toys here, not prop replicas. If toy a company, that is toys and toys only, cut corners every chance they get, you can bet their prop shop will, too.

I'm thinking Rubie's Deluxe Vader Helmet with a better paint job.

What labour went into the sculpts of Hot Toys that doesn't go into the sculpts of NECA figures? Tomato/tomato.

• The difference between artists hand painting them versus using brass masks. A 3D modeller might use the same amount of time; but the labour assembling and painting them is different. Maybe it's just me, but having family being in a 2nd world country literally starving to death because the entitled brat kept asking for cheaper prices from Asia makes it an extremely sensitive topic for me. It takes 30 years of constant working just to afford visa application costs to a 1st world country.

Your last sentence contradicted itself. You tell me not to compare NECA to itself but to a $300 toy that uses humane labour (Hot Toys)? Dude, that's what I'm doing. I don't care what labour is used to make them (think Frank Reynolds in Always Sunny. That's my attitude. Add em to the soup.). Just make them right.

• Then I don't think you should expect your opinion to be taken seriously? If you can't think of the other end, then why should they think of yours?

What's unrealistic to me is the amount of people that spend hundreds of dollars for upgraded heads and capes and faces for these toys that are hundreds of dollars to begin with. That's the last thing on my mind when I spend that much on a figure. I'm not thinking about Johnny Garage Kit and his $200 Christian Bale headsculpt that's 10x better than the Hot Toys I already paid an arm and a leg for. If Johnny Garage Kit can do it better, Hot Toys and other big name companies that need upgrades are... Wait for it... Trash.

• You call $300 an arm and a leg? Wait till you hear about Asian labour practices... I call that half or 1/3 a weeks paycheck here, and only at 1/4 the hours they do in asia. But if $300 truly is an arm and a leg for you, i recommend you stop collecting for now. You're clearly wasting your money maybe?
• They're aftermarket support; they're not happy just like you, so they do something about it and charge prices for it accordingly to materials cost. Silicone-$70 roughly, Paints $30, Resin $50, and labour.
• Most of these sculptors are probably not even fans and are doing there best, look at wolverines sculpt for example; it has only just gotten better over the years. Don't act as if it's deceitful marketing, most of their photography photos are exactly what you get. If it was inaccurate after you got it, then maybe your eyes arent really that good.

We're getting off-topic here; but what I got from you is that you'd rather put people into poverty so you can a doll cheaper. Nice ethics. But this is a non-negotiable matter clearly.