ANH Vader chest box..think i've found the 'source item'

[vaderdarth]

Gino, believe it or not, I more or less agree with all the things you've posted concerning the mitre and form and shape of the box. I would like to add, however that there is no way to know whether some of the "artifacts" we see such as fingerprints etc in our castings, were from a recast of the original item......ie fingerprints of the guys making a copy of that piece (demoulding too quickly etc...). Same for the warpage etc.... I can't imagine that warpage was found on the original chestbox as it's not seen in the stills. If it is a lump of clay as we believe, and it was sculpted on a flat surface (we assume) then there should be no warpage. The obvious tear in the mould etc... there is an awful lot of artifacts that were definitely not on the original casting. Now here is another point we have to ponder. We are reasonably sure that the tour suits were simply full castings of the original complete chestbox which had all it's details painted......buttons etc... Some of these artifacts on our castings, could mean it was derived from tour castings. Just some points to ponder.

Dave

 

[GINO]

On the casting that I have, which is different than the one you have, there are tells that indicate it came from the screen used box.
The ANH boxes we've seen on tours, are from the same lineage as the Jeff/GH style chestboxes and are not the same as the film box. They have been cleaned up modified in the same way that the helmets have been. Don't know the reason why, just know that they were.

 

[HAL9000]

Is the dent on the fourth rocker present on the screen box?

 

[Ghost Host]

:rolleyes naturally...

On the casting that I have, which is different than the one you have, there are tells that indicate it came from the screen used box.
The ANH boxes we've seen on tours, are from the same lineage as the Jeff/GH style chestboxes and are not the same as the film box. They have been cleaned up modified in the same way that the helmets have been. Don't know the reason why, just know that they were.

 

[GINO]

Wanna bet your RPF membership on it?
I'm ready to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
If I were to reveal all about this particular piece, it better be worth something good.

If not, then I suggest you go back to the sidelines where you belong pretending to know more than you actually do.

 

[defstartrooper]

Wheres that pic of the fat kid eating popcorn ?

 

[lambotour]

Is the dent on the fourth rocker present on the screen box?

Yep

 

[Lan-Ed-Tul]

dont start this again! sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ghost Host]

:cry Baby needs another spanking... :lol

Little man, you have no idea what I know or what I have. Same is true the other way around. But I do know that you are arrogant to a fault and are occasionally mistaken about your facts. I clearly threaten your ego, otherwise you wouldn't be making negative slights at me on a regular basis, trying to chip away at my image on this board. Perhaps it is you who should go back to the sidelines, as you cause nothing but trouble wherever you go. Wake up for a moment and read all the feedback you got in this thread aside from mine.

Wanna bet your RPF membership on it?
I'm ready to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
If I were to reveal all about this particular piece, it better be worth something good.

If not, then I suggest you go back to the sidelines where you belong pretending to know more than you actually do.

 

[ob1al]

Here's a thin kid eating popcorn, just for a change:

One thing about Vader fans, you can't knock their passion for the subject.

But the predictable descent into petty bickering does get in the way of a good thread sometimes. I hope it doesn't stop the flow of good information in this one.

:rolleyes

 

[Ghost Host]

My apologies to the author of this thread, but I thought I'd post this before the thread gets locked.

I thought I'd explain why gino's above comment is hypocritical and my need to post to the contrary:

"On the casting that I have, which is different than the one you have, there are tells that indicate it came from the screen used box. The ANH boxes we've seen on tours, are from the same lineage as the Jeff/GH style chestboxes and are not the same as the film box."

No part of that statement sits well with me. First, Jeff got his ANH chestbox from me, NOT the other way around. My casting came directly from a mold owned by Jim XXX, and was made for me at Rick Baker's shop in 1990. Second, about 3 years ago I scanned my chestbox master casting and sent a reduced image of it to Gino, which he agreed to keep private. Lo and behold, about a year or so ago I got a PM from Chris King showing me this very same pic and asking what I thought of it, as it was just sent to him by gino's partner, Dave Gielda, claiming it was a pic of their master casting of the chestbox that they were offering!!! WTF? This told me at the very least that gino had lied to me (surprised? ...not anymore) about keeping my image private, as his buddy dave Gielda had it; and that they were sending it out to folks to drum up some business. Now gino didn't have any casting of it from me, nor has he ever handled my chestbox, but he did have a recast of Dave (Vaderdarth) Simonds' chestbox which came from another source other than me. ...Clearly lying and misrepresenting their "product". Ironic (but typical of gino ) that he was using an image of my chestbox and claiming it was his and then he turned around and tried to discredit mine. I don't know what gino has now, if anything other than the recast of vaderdarth's, but even if he has something else now, it doesn't change the above facts.

 

[GINO]

You have your facts all wrong as usual.
Regardless, I'm not going to stoop down to petty insults. But believe me, I could go there.
There must have been a miscommunication as Dave never received ANY version of chestbox from me, not even a scratchbuild. I've only sold 1 ANH version chestbox and it was a scratchbuild with resin parts on it. I was never offering ANH chestboxes other than that one as anyone who asked me about getting an ANH chestbox can attest to. Whatever email was sent to chris was not tied to me in any way shape or form. Myself or Dave have never had a casting of your box to offer, nor would I want to. I have never offered any cast off original vader chestboxes.

Speaking of recasting...Everyone knows the vader stuff you received from Jeff you recast behind his back and offered to how many people on this board? If it wasn't for the fact that you sold so many to people, you would have been banned from this board then. Just because you needed money at the time does not justify screwing this guy's trust over. Oh that's right, you left the board voluntarily to escape being banned, only to conveniently return once things got quiet again. Coincedence?:unsure

I'm ready to finish something that should have been done a long time ago which is rid this forum of the plague of inaccurate information that is GH and his BS image of being a vader insider. You know jack when it comes down to it.
You put doubt into the claims I make on just about anything vader here on this forum. Now its claims of my chestbox. How sure of yourself are you? Are you willing to bet your RPF membership on it? What do you say? I'll pony up if you will. I've got all the proof right here ready to go.
I'm sick of your tired lame arguments that are based in ignorance. Better for you to just keep quiet and learn. You're not the vader insider you make yourself out to be.

I'm sure you're more content to just sit on the sidelines hurling insults and doubt from your safety zone. At least from there, you won't have to worry about exposing yourself as a hollow authority on the subject.

 

[Ghost Host]

gino, PAY ATTENTION.

Re-read my post and what I said. You're going off on a tangent rather than sticking to the facts. How then did your pal get my private image that I only sent to you? I scanned it to send to you. Noone else. I state the truth, rather than insults. If we need to hash out the Jeff issue AGAIN then I have much to say about it (perhaps in a new thread). The reason I am not banned is because there are no grounds for a banning. Quite the contrary, TBH, and Mr. White (and his claims) are not as sterling as his name would indicate, either.

I try not to mix with you at all, until you bring me into it. But I cannot let you vomit such garbage and let the general populus just blindly believe that you are a stand up guy and even a crusader for the truth, because that is very far from the truth. Who is insulting who, BTW? :cry

Edit: Wait, left the board? What planet are you on? When did I EVER say that? You mustr be confusing me with TE... If I go quiet for a week or two what does that mean, other than I am busy with real things? Grabbing at straws again... :rolleyes

But hey if you want me to leave the board, I have no hesitation. But I have no reason but this one: Let's do it together. That's my deal to you if you are not such a coward.

 

[GINO]

I try not to mix with you at all, until you bring me into it. But I cannot let you vomit such garbage and let the general populus just blindly believe that you are a stand up guy and even a crusader for the truth, because that is very far from the truth.

Can you not see this is exactly what you do only in reverse?

 

[GINO]

Wait, left the board? What planet are you on? When did I EVER say that?

Anyone else remember this?

But hey if you want me to leave the board, I have no hesitation. But I have no reason but this one: Let's do it together. That's my deal to you if you are not such a coward.

Why would I do this, I love the RPF. I'm a coward because I wouldn't want to leave the board? That makes no sense.

 

[fettpride]

I don't post up here much anymore, but i couldn't resist. And I "WAS" assed into reading at least 13 pages :lol

This is how I made my own chest box. Actually I used quarter round molding/trim, cut my 45 degree angles put a frame together, then filled with bondo, sanded ... done. So it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that a shape like this can be achieved without any sculpting knowledge. But I don't think they took the time to do this ...

in this case, everything considered ... I believe that the box was sculpted too. Time constraints, and budget = whip it up pronto.

Now, I know that they tried to use found items whenver and wherever possible. This "IS" the low budeget mentality. They did it with everything they could get their hands on ... but realisticly, the point I'm trying to make is, what are the odds that someone spent days, weeks, or months trying to match a found item's "shape" to a concept drawing? No way. They threw some clay. It ain't that hard.

I'm sure tho, that if the right object just happened to be sitting there, they would have used it. And i think the whole "Newel Cap" is a GREAT concept, seriously. But the odds that one was just laying around that just happened to fit the description given in "Concept" would have been unlikely, at best.

Just my 2 cents. I didn't read all pages, so maybe it's been figured out by now :lol

FP

Here's a pic of what i was talking about (the center is the Plaster or whatever)
Now i'm not disagreeing that it was sculpted in clay i just think this is a super easy way to obtain a shape like this.. Just pour in the stuff and level off, sand and there ya go a box with beveled edges that takes absolutely no sculpting knowledge.. I just wish i could find the damn link to where i read this it's probably outdated it's been so long ago..

 

[GINO]

On the casting that I have, which is different than the one you have, there are tells that indicate it came from the screen used box.
The ANH boxes we've seen on tours, are from the same lineage as the Jeff/GH style chestboxes and are not the same as the film box. They have been cleaned up modified in the same way that the helmets have been. Don't know the reason why, just know that they were.

:rolleyes naturally...

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. This is the kind of comment that initiates flame wars. It's completely unnecessary.
You're always there to with some sarcastic comment gounded in nothing but your contempt for me.
What I said it truthful, yet you throw your "yeah righ" type of remarks. When I said I could prove it at your membership's expense, that was the issue was re-directed.
I'm tired of fighting these types of fights. Sometimes I can't help myself by responding in kind to a baiting type of comment, but you need to take responsibility for your part in these arguments as well.

 

[propsculptor]

After reading this thread I have to throw in my two Cents...

I just watched Star Wars: A New Hope (Again, I've lost count how many times!) and if you watch in the scene with Vader and Tarkin (before they destroy Alderaan) you can clearly see the Chestbox on Vader has wavy uneven details as the light hits it at an angle, even in one scene with Vader and Tarkin in the meeting room discussing the Death Star being the Ultimate Power in the Universe...

I appears to me that it was sculpted, it seems like the logical deduction.

For my own I plan to scratchbuild one, but I may take a casting of a clean one and make it accurate by making it wavy like the original

As Far as Ghost Host and Gino go..the arguing needs to stop, both of you have a lot to contribute to this Hobby and I'd hate to see one or both of you get Banned for saying something in a heated Debate.

I've known Ghost Host for years when he and I worked together on a few Movies doing Special Effects, he was always a great guy who no-one ever had a negative thing to say about him (And int the Special Effects industry word gets around fast), and although I don't know Gino other than from the RPF... his comment about the Chestbox being sculpted, makes sense, because if it was scratchbuilt it would have been a much cleaner and smooth box.

Lets keep this thread on subject...:thumbsup

 

[voice in the crowd]

HAL9000,

I also believe the chestbox to have been an original sculpt.

Being a greeblie / found piece hunter myself I have thought I have identified things and then found myself to be wrong .

I do applaud your efforts on trying to find source items and it is a bit of a shame the thread has went a bit off track.

I really hope this doesn't put you off sharing any other thoughts or finds in the future.

Keep up the good work HAL9000 :thumbsup

Cheers Chris.

 

[HAL9000]

My apologies to the author of this thread, but I thought I'd post this before the thread gets locked.

No apology neccessary...this is all very interesting. I just wish I knew more about this mystery man Jeff. His name always seems to surface when Vader pieces are debated.
:thumbsup