Doesn't the muppet blaster casting share this detail, too?Notice how far the Flash Hider is rotated off center from the barrel itself, despite being tilted too? I haven't seen many/any replicas with that detail..
ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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deadbolt
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A few more from a very helping friend =D
Note kpax 'Pat's Patch', that he noticed years ago, as seen here in this photo on the upper just above the Mystery Disk, where another possible greeblie was attached. Leaving behind a similar color/contrasted mark as the Mystery Disk did.
And an un-cropped view of these photos,
A much, much better view of this one too!
And notice that although Han's holding an E-11, he has a Merr Sonn in his holster in these, thus linking Han's Character to the MS blasters after all..
-Carson
Note kpax 'Pat's Patch'
, that he noticed years ago, as seen here in this photo on the upper just above the Mystery Disk, where another possible greeblie was attached. Leaving behind a similar color/contrasted mark as the Mystery Disk did.And an un-cropped view of these photos,
A much, much better view of this one too!
And notice that although Han's holding an E-11, he has a Merr Sonn in his holster in these, thus linking Han's Character to the MS blasters after all..
-Carson
kpax
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In this image you can see the center thumbnut and thickness which Carson modeled correctly IMO.
The amount it appears to stick out is a bit magnified due to the under angle view where the "rounded" bottom of the cradle allows a little more edge view IMO. It does stick up above the mount surface a bit.
The amount it appears to stick out is a bit magnified due to the under angle view where the "rounded" bottom of the cradle allows a little more edge view IMO. It does stick up above the mount surface a bit.
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kpax
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Exactly.
The "lip" is just glue at at the bottom a small drop. The "disk" left a slight ridge around the presumably metal disk and came off unevenly.
The body of the Mauser is worn exactly like a worn Mauser bluing. The mottling is consistent with a vintage Mauser. The color is bluing not paint. The difference between the black plastic grill and Mauser body is apparent to my eye.
The HERO Mauser has a finish that matches the scope body and we know from the PS images it was not painted.
I have had the same experience as Scott with the glue.
Glue residue, pulled off and discolored bluing from glue.
Look at this blaster as an example of painted vs vintage blued Mauser.
The mount and scope-Paint
The frame -blued worn and vintage.
Note the surface quality.
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It’s not exact but it’s fun to see from the other side..
In slightly less exciting news, I decided to go for broke and plunge down the rabbit hole on my Field Marshall flash hider.
Using my secret rusting process I let the flash hider bake for a nice long time, and then polished it back down to bare metal using a wire wheel. Torch bluing it to a uniform blue dulled the finish, and then I knocked it back to a dull grey with some steel wool. This part especially brought out all the little pits of rust that developed during my process.
I might take where I am and cold blue it once or twice more, though hopefully I'll get this thing looking like a genuine found part by then! I'm a lot fonder of this pitted look than I am the clean look the freshly-turned piece had right out of the box. I want this thing to look like it's been used in wars!
Using my secret rusting process I let the flash hider bake for a nice long time, and then polished it back down to bare metal using a wire wheel. Torch bluing it to a uniform blue dulled the finish, and then I knocked it back to a dull grey with some steel wool. This part especially brought out all the little pits of rust that developed during my process.
I might take where I am and cold blue it once or twice more, though hopefully I'll get this thing looking like a genuine found part by then! I'm a lot fonder of this pitted look than I am the clean look the freshly-turned piece had right out of the box. I want this thing to look like it's been used in wars!
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Is the flash hider painted black or is it just super dark grey? Seems strange that they would only paint the FH and not the whole thing but in some pics it looks unnaturally darker than normal..
I have an original MG-81 flash hider, and I have no doubt that the Germans used a manganese parkerizing for it (dark grayish). After you oil a parkerized part, it darkens and can appear black.
Yes, I think its parkerized too.
Also I want to remind people there are different shades of paint, types of paint, and these photos are all under different lighting conditions. I see two shades on the blasters body, and dont think we've completed that discussion.
Also I want to remind people there are different shades of paint, types of paint, and these photos are all under different lighting conditions. I see two shades on the blasters body, and dont think we've completed that discussion.
kpax
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Parkerized and worn. You get that dark silvery gray. Almost oxidized pewter -ish but you can see “bright” steel through it.
kpax
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To me there is no paint on the body. There is a color difference between the black plastic grill and blued metal parts.
IMO they would not have bothered to mix up and spray transparent lacquers to build up a faux bluing color. They were very sloppy with the other details and leaving glue and all. This prop was not a star of the film. They didn’t care that much. If it were painted it would be black paint. In these better images you would see the difference IMO like on the Bapty blaster above.
Very noticeable difference between the painted parts snd Mauser body.
Again. The scope we know from the Ps images is not painted and the surface looks exactly like the body in these new images.
kpax
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True. But also need to color correct this image.
The promo photos aren't showing the same rust speccing/coloring. Perhaps they used an oil soaked rag to wipe down the flash hider? It doesn't take much to clean up parkerizing.
Even colour correcting the image still leaves the flash hider with a very similar hue to it. And while I suppose it's possible that the blaster was cleaned up before production, I always thought that the pre-production photos made it pretty clear that most of the gun was painted?
Hence why features like the bolt are black that should otherwise be bright and polished, yet by the time filming began we can see that they are no longer so dark - I would guess because the gun's cycling wore the paint off in the areas that move.
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned in the paint versus blueing debate is that in the “pre-greeblie” pictures, the entire magazine plate has bluing worn off it. In the post-greeblie photos, it’s only partial. To me it looks like chipping and not an even wear like you would get through usage in that area. It’s too abrupt for a color change. Also, the disc has a clear internal lip. If there was residual glue build up, there would be an an external dimension, not a clear drop off, but from all photographs, it’s smooth up until that lip, right?
Also, the mount has not yet been painted. The cross bar is clean metal and reflective. In addition, the ground scope mounts on the other side are still bright metal also. The production gun on the other hand has a two toned mag plate. The cross bar is now painted and chipping, and the flats on the mount are also painted. So I think at some point, this thing had to have seen paint.
As for the grills, they could have been added post paint also.
One other thing to look at is the brass windage knob. It also appears to have gone from a nice patina to a more black and then worn look.
Well, at least that‘s what I think I see when I look at all the photos. Everyone‘s mileage may vary.
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Also, the mount has not yet been painted. The cross bar is clean metal and reflective. In addition, the ground scope mounts on the other side are still bright metal also. The production gun on the other hand has a two toned mag plate. The cross bar is now painted and chipping, and the flats on the mount are also painted. So I think at some point, this thing had to have seen paint.
As for the grills, they could have been added post paint also.
One other thing to look at is the brass windage knob. It also appears to have gone from a nice patina to a more black and then worn look.
Well, at least that‘s what I think I see when I look at all the photos. Everyone‘s mileage may vary.
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Yes, the chipping on the magplate is something I've noticed too. That to me made me think that the entire ensemble was painted as well, and while it does resemble holster wear the fact that the pre-production images don't show this same wear makes me discount this notion.
Han Solo may be fast on the draw, but I don't think he alone could generate years worth of wear on bluing just by drawing his blaster a few times!
And it may be me, though when I look closely at the pre-production photos I tend to think that the scope mount is deep blued. It is entirely likely that it was then painted later on, but given how it was a piece used on firearms I just think it isn't likely that it was left as bare metal.
One thing that would be interesting to see is if the differences between the grill and body could be replicated by anybody with a painted lower? Even if the colours are the same I am just wondering if the fact that the grill was made of plastic would cause it to look so different in black and white photos.
Han Solo may be fast on the draw, but I don't think he alone could generate years worth of wear on bluing just by drawing his blaster a few times!
And it may be me, though when I look closely at the pre-production photos I tend to think that the scope mount is deep blued. It is entirely likely that it was then painted later on, but given how it was a piece used on firearms I just think it isn't likely that it was left as bare metal.
One thing that would be interesting to see is if the differences between the grill and body could be replicated by anybody with a painted lower? Even if the colours are the same I am just wondering if the fact that the grill was made of plastic would cause it to look so different in black and white photos.
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