ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

[Dpp1978]

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I think I'm right in remembering there was some speculation that the blaster used for some deleted scenes in Jedi may have used some components from the Star Wars hero blaster.

It looks like we'll get some new images come September as the scene is on the Blu-ray.

From the deleted scenes trailer doing the rounds from Comic-Con.

 

[OdiWan72]

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I think I'm right in remembering there was some speculation that the blaster used for some deleted scenes in Jedi may have used some components from the Star Wars hero blaster.

It looks like we'll get some new images come September as the scene is on the Blu-ray.

From the deleted scenes trailer doing the rounds from Comic-Con.

You´re correct. The "Bunker" blaster features the ANH scope mount w/o lower bracket and a reversed H&W scope. In addition to that it has another muzzle, which has not been 100% identified as of yet. Anyway...there´s just not enough good reference atm to get a better insight about this version

Markus

 

[kurtyboy]

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Could even be the ANH Hero receiver itself.

You´re correct. The "Bunker" blaster features the ANH scope mount w/o lower bracket and a reversed H&W scope. In addition to that it has another muzzle, which has not been 100% identified as of yet. Anyway...there´s just not enough good reference atm to get a better insight about this version

Markus

 

[deadbolt]

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It'll be interesting what all we'll see when the Blu-ray's finally come out..:love

-Carson

 

[Onigiri]

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As to the grill Id always assumed that it was the same thing used for the comlink or am I way off on that?

 

[kurtyboy]

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Kpax's research has pretty much convinced me it is the same piece. or rather parts of the same pieces.

As to the grill Id always assumed that it was the same thing used for the comlink or am I way off on that?

 

[deadbolt]

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I agree, I believe them to be the same pieces as well. :thumbsup

Kpax's research has pretty much convinced me it is the same piece. or rather parts of the same pieces.

A big Thanks to Pat (kpax) and his excellent research and realizations! This project wouldn't have the same outcome without him.

I will be posting some pictures of the two different Booster/Barrels we've worked up for everyone to take a look at shortly. Keep in mind they don't have the threaded hole for the thumb screw and the Barrel isn't set up for mounting yet, we just want to see how everyone feels about the designs so far.

-Carson

 

[deadbolt]

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First Post updated with pictures of the two current Booster/Bull Barrel models! :thumbsup

The Classic Version is based on photo reference of a real booster, with small modifications made for better fit and a little extra detail.

The Version 2 booster is something we just thought would look appropriate and cool!

Everyone, let us know what you think!

Also, here is a wireframe view of both Booster versions so everyone can see how they fit in the Flash Hider. The thicker outlines are the Boosters.

Classic Version:

Version 2:

-Carson

 

[Brinn 71]

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Classic Version:

-Carson

WOAH! :eek

This Classic Version is BEAUTIFUL and gets my vote! Great job and THANKS!! thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[OdiWan72]

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WOAH! :eek

This Classic Version is BEAUTIFUL and gets my vote! Great job and THANKS!! thumbsup:thumbsup

double that!

Markus

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Carson, as long as we have no original part for measurement .... go with what you like.

As soon as a original pops up and definite measurements are available, the games are open - once again.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Btw. did some small stuff this morning:

The 2 small cutouts are not completly right, i had no cutting tool that small as needed.


And as i had no 2,0mm rod, i used 2,0mm brasstube - it will be replaced later.

 

[kpax]

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Carson did a great job with the FH and barrel booster assembly!

For the booster, the specs have to be pretty close since it has to fit in the FH, but some things must be slightly altered in order to work with the FH and barrel, remembering that the Booster and FH were meant to work together but it needs to be adapted to the NR bull barrel.

I think the final version will be stunning and solve all the issues.

Thanks Carson!!

The Classic is very accurate to the HERO and the finned version is very SW inspired.

To address Onigiri, I don't know the history as well as others here but there always seems to be slight differences in the parts used or assumed and all the views can be very confusing. I think all we can really do is use the reference material, look close and replicate what we see, and not so much what we think.

Michael, nice work as usual! Do we know if the antenna, post -toggle doohicky was originally plastic or metals? I see that you made it the same way that Kurty showed a while back and seem to have the aluminum/brass combo.

How would these appear in a final version on the barrel? Painted black with some metal showing through, weathered?

Would all aluminum be acceptable?

 

[Lichtbringer]

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The Classic is very accurate to the HERO and the finned version is very SW inspired.

To be honest, i wouldn´t put too much effort in it, not as long as it is not totally accurate. I would make it the way it works and is easy to machine. No gadgets that take extra time, and so generate additional costs. Keep it simple. Later, when (if) the original is known it´s the better time to go the extra mile.

Michael, nice work as usual! Do we know if the antenna, post -toggle doohicky was originally plastic or metals? I see that you made it the same way that Kurty showed a while back and seem to have the aluminum/brass combo.

How would these appear in a final version on the barrel? Painted black with some metal showing through, weathered?

Would all aluminum be acceptable?

I used the brass tube as i had no 2mm rod - and brass cause it´s a little bit sturdier than alu.

No idea from what the originals were made. Atm. i see no reason against all-aluminium, we don´t have enough input on them to exclude alu-rods.

 

[kpax]

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I agree that it isn't critical what the booster hidden by the FH looks like, unless you take the FH off of course.

Even if we had accurate booster dimensions it would not really help since there is no real way to secure the real booster in the FH and attach the barrel unless you increase the diameter of the barrel inside the FH area and thread it to hold the booster in. This would also not be accurate to the real world.

I think what we have developed is the best compromise that allows a good representation of the Booster and also will allow easy attachment to the barrel, and looks good too!

The next magical trick will be to fit the receiver end to the barrel.


Does anyone have a Denix that they can measure?

Carson needs to know the width of the thin flat area at the top of the receiver. I modified mine to match the real c96 so I can only guess.

Hopefully we can find a way to allow the barrel end to work with all style frames well enough for those who can't or won't be modifying it and also maybe offer some with minimum or no chamfers to be modified individually.

I hope we can find a way to make the sight and antenna separate and also attachable in a way as to customize it as each user likes.

How does everyone feel about small, and I mean small screws like some real sights are attached? People not wanting the sight attached could remove it and fill the holes with small cap screws which would all but disappear. Similar to what is used on the scopes. Unless you look for them they almost disappear.

this would be the most secure and accurate way to attach the sight other than a horizontal dovetail and that's right out.

If not... any suggestions? 2 way Tape...

 

[deadbolt]

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Thanks for the kind words everybody! And nice work Michael!

I agree as well that the booster's look won't matter too much considering it's practically invisible, but I don't mind the extra work, or fun as I call it.

We don't have any solid quotes as of yet, but based on what we've heard from the Machinist so far, I have a feeling cost won't be too much of an issue.

Maybe someone with an original booster will chime in and lend a helping hand. But either way, the booster would need some modifications for better fit and practical mounting. We want to avoid the need for glue as much as possible with these pieces.

Like Pat said, if anyone has an unmodified Denix and they can take that top small flat upper receiver measurement, that would be great!

As for the Sight Greeblie, I just thought of another option instead if tape or glue. If it doesn't affect the look, we could extend a portion of the Sight under the Flash Hider and maybe mount firmly to the back of the Booster somehow. I can't say for sure until modeling starts on those parts, but with the Antennas on either side of the Sight, it shouldn't be very visible. Just another possible option to consider, as long as visible accuracy isn't effected of course.


-Carson

 

[kpax]

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That's an idea Carson. If the part is made from aluminum and solid enough, we could attach under the FH with a hidden screw. The shape of the curved sight bottom or T Track would hold it fairly solid in place. maybe even work in a slight arch to help keep it from twisting.

 

[deadbolt]

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Also just to get it out in the open, we may have found some more evidence of the Bull Barrel being a tad larger than the width of the Mauser receiver and also having Chamfers on both sides.

Coincidentally, the new evidence lies in the Merr Sonn Flat Bottomed Barrel proof picture.

Here's the picture to show what I mean. And I must say, the side chamfers are longer than I realized! Their close to the same length as the large angled chamfers.

-Carson

 

[kpax]

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good catch Carson,

Here's a comparison of both sides.

seems pretty convincing. and makes more sense than an off center barrel.

Guess the armorers knew what they were doing after all.

 

[Onigiri]

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Just throwing this out there but I wonder if Im the only person who would like to see some parts done to actually make a replica of the NR set up. I think that would be a rare and awesome prop.